How do we really know humpty dumpty was an egg?

@dloveli (4366)
United States
February 20, 2010 7:19pm CST
As I was logging on today I saw an article that was talking about nursery rhymes. It asked a very good question. How do we know Humpty was an egg? It doesnt say so in the nursery rhyme. I think we assumed it because he broke and was unable to be put back together. How do we really know that he was an egg? dl
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
21 Feb 10
Well I guess that whoever first came up with an illustration of the nursery rhyme, drew a picture of an egg and it just stuck for generations. I find it interesting to read in the first posts about nursery rhymes and anti British sentiment. I have heard of these rhymes being originally written to cheer up children through very dark times, like the plague and wars and such.
@dloveli (4366)
• United States
22 Feb 10
I agree with you Bill. It must have been a picture that was drawn to make the children happy or entertained. Who would've thought it would have stuck. dl
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@jb78000 (15139)
22 Feb 10
some of them were very dark indeed and about violent events, others biting, i am not sure they all were originally meant for children.
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@Torunn (8609)
• Norway
21 Feb 10
There was a drawing of an egg at the same page the first time I read the rhyme, so I've always assumed it was an egg. I'm not sure what else would break when it fell of the wall, maybe he was made of glass? Or china? Or pure gold?
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@dloveli (4366)
• United States
22 Feb 10
Since we are disecting this nursery rhyme. If the wall was so high, how in the heck did he get up on it? Okay here is another dilemma. I must tell you that I have a tendency to make mountains out of molehills. Cant you tell? I took a sweet nursery rhyme and made it so complicated. LOL Sorry mother goose. dl
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@jb78000 (15139)
22 Feb 10
high enough wall and most things would break. or splat.
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@Torunn (8609)
• Norway
22 Feb 10
But if it's a very high wall, then it'd be really stupid to sit on it. Which makes it more likely that he was an egg as they don't really think a lot. Of course, he could been a rubber ball which just have been dunked in dry ice. Dunking things in dry ice is a good way to make sure they break when they fall.
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@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
21 Feb 10
Actually, you're right. I heard years ago that the nursery rhymes were originally anti British rule statements made during pre-revolutionary times when the colonists were preparing to revolt against Great Britain. Humpty Dumpty actually stood for the British rule. If you look at many of the nursery rhymes you can see the anti-British sentiment. I am not saying that this is true, it is one of those things that I was taught in my American Lit class in college.
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@GardenGerty (157691)
• United States
21 Feb 10
You are right, that is what we were taught, including then the "children's story" Alice in Wonderland. Too bad we do not have such talented political commentators now.
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@Loverbear (4918)
• United States
21 Feb 10
It gives you a new prospective on the old nursery rhymes. If you go through them with the knowledge that they were actually protests against the tyrannical treatment of the original colonies by the British crown, it really changes the visualization of the rhymes. Such as Humpty Dumpty- he actually was the pseudonym for the crown and what the colonists were planning. They really couldn't come out and state in print or publicly what they were planning to do, so they recited them in "nursery rhymes" instead.
@sirnose (2436)
• United States
22 Feb 10
That is what I heard also about the nursery rhyme London bridge is falling down it was meant as a knock against the British Empire.
@savypat (20216)
• United States
21 Feb 10
didn't you look at the pictures? It may have been an artist's idea, but it worked for me. What else can you break and then try to put back together and not be able too?
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@dloveli (4366)
• United States
22 Feb 10
Yes Savy, I did look the pictures. That's what made me wonder why the creator chose an egg to represent Humpty? It amazes me how people think. You can break alot of things it couldve been glass or something. who knows.. I do however, think that the egg was the perfect choice. dl
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@jb78000 (15139)
22 Feb 10
it would be a very silly name for someone who was not an egg. i think we have to assume he was an egg. the usual story is humpty dumpty was a cannon but it is a rigiculous name for a cannon i think
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@dloveli (4366)
• United States
22 Feb 10
Humpty Dumpty  - I must admit an egg is perfect image for Humpty!!
I saw an article about it and It really had me wondering. Who really said Humpty Dumpty was an egg? It is a good question. Its funny that all over the world every one came to the same conclusion. Oh well whatever the reason I think an egg is a good image for Humpty Dumpty. dl
@Torunn (8609)
• Norway
22 Feb 10
Have you seen the really cheesy cannon in Tower of London? It's green, white and has some golden trimming I think, and fluffy animals. I'm sure it also must have a quite silly name. Probably not Humpty Dumpty, but definitly something silly.
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21 Feb 10
When I was at school (in Britain)we were taught that Humpty Dumpty was the name of a cannon bought by the Royalists from Holland to use in the English Civil War. It was brand new and mounted on the wall of a castle to fire at the Roundheads. On its first firing it exploded and shattered into tiny pieces. "All the king's horses and all the king's men" were supporters of King Charles I and they couldn't put Humpty together again! When it exploded, do you think the king's men were scrambled to come and put it back together? Sorry, that was a pathetic yolk. Thanks, dloveli, this was an eggsiting post and some of the answers have been eggstraordinary.
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@dloveli (4366)
• United States
25 Feb 10
Well Ms. Louise I am eggsited that you think this discussion and the answers have been entertaining. I must say that we've also had many an eggspert on the history behind Mr. Dumpty. Thanks eggain my friend dl
@GardenGerty (157691)
• United States
21 Feb 10
The rest of that article had some people who pointed out that Lewis Carroll had Alice in Wonderland say he looked like an egg, but that the term Humpty Dumpty usually referred to someone short and clumsy.
• Canada
23 Feb 10
I never understood nursery rhymes, and never took them too seriously. Eggs falling off of walls, babies falling out of trees, children falling down hills.... surely there must be something happier we could share with our children than nursery rhymes.
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@Shaun72 (15959)
• Palatka, Florida
21 Feb 10
You have a good point here. The nursery rhyme never does really tell who or what humpty dumty is. I do remember this nursery rhyme very well. Although it has never crossed my mind until reading this post about humpty dumpty not being a egg. I guess because in the nursery rhyme book I had when I was a little girl it had a broke egg cartoon by this rhyme I always took humpty dumpty as a broken egg.
@doormouse (4599)
21 Feb 10
fab post,well i would have to say i only know it's an egg because of the pictures that were in my nursery rhyme book
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
23 Feb 10
From what I remember from when I was doing some research on the nursery rhymes is that many of them were not even originally written for children. Humpty Dumpty stood for something, but it wasn't an egg that sat on a wall and fell. Then there is Ring around the Rosie, it is about the black plague. Honestly, most of these are illustrated in the way that they are because it is the only way to make them appropriate for children although they will always appeal to children because of the cadence of them.
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@dloveli (4366)
• United States
23 Feb 10
Very interesting Dorann! Where did you find this information. I love history and research. I am going to do as you did and research nursery rhymes. If you could recommend any books I would appreciate it. dl
@sulsisels (1685)
• United States
21 Feb 10
Hi dloveli..If you go to the website below, you'll find all kinds of interpretations of who Humpty Dumpty really was. None of them refer to him being an egg. Some of them are quite interesting and a lot of them make sense.Take a look when you get a chance.. http://www.rooneydesign.com/humptydumpty.htm
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@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
21 Feb 10
sulsisels, Hi, the link didn't work? I wonder why.
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@niara25 (147)
• United States
24 Feb 10
Actually humpty dumpty was a riddle.
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@dloveli (4366)
• United States
25 Feb 10
It may well have been a riddle. Nursery rhymes usually had a different purpose than what we thought. My question is why does everyone associate Humpty Dumpty with being and egg. Its funny the interpretations we make. dl
@Rallon (441)
• United States
24 Feb 10
Good question. Even better one: who tries to get the king's horses to do a surgical operation? (and all the king's men, too) Hey, I've got an idea; call a doctor! Maybe he was an egg, maybe not. Who names an egg anyway? And didn't he also wear clothes? Yeah, I just love to dress up my breakfast before I cook it. (weird). Nursery rhymes are just plain creepy: rub a rub dub, 3 men in a tub? Call social services! Rock a bye baby in the tree top? Get that baby out of the tree and call social services. Hansel and Gretel? Yeah, that's a suitable story for children: a witch that tries to eat them! When you think about it, it's like we're trying to give our kids some kind of mental distress with all of the B.S. we tell them right before they go to sleep. Who writes these stories? I'd bet some sadistic sociopath does! I say we should all start making up some decent stories to tell our kids for bedtime!
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
21 Feb 10
Well, the book I had had a piture of humpty and it or he was an egg!
@derek_a (10874)
21 Feb 10
Well, if Humpty Dumpty was an egg, I can't see how it was possible to put him back together again - all the yolk would have run out and that would have been a problem pouring it back in.. Poor guy! And what about the Old woman with all those children living in a shoe!? Not very practically, particularly in bad or rainy weather! I must have been a awkward little kid because I just couldn't believe all this stuff and used to question it constantly! _Derek
@jb78000 (15139)
22 Feb 10
he might have been very tough. hardboiled in fact.
@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
21 Feb 10
dloveli, Found a wikipedia article about the nursery rhyme and it said "humpty dumpty" was used back I think in the fifties to describe a person who was clumsy. It was also attributed to another poem that was poking fun at something to do with the civil war... I skimmed. History can bore me, not all, but well here's the link so you can see for yourself what I was talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humpty_Dumpty NOT A REFERRAL LINK!
@allknowing (130195)
• India
21 Feb 10
It originally started as a riddle for which there are always answers and for this riddle the answer was 'egg'. This riddle was later added as a nursery rhyme.