I think we are going too far ...

@ronaldinu (12422)
Malta
February 27, 2010 5:50am CST
I was reading the Daily Mail where a father was stopped from taking his son's photo. Here is the news: [i]A father was stopped from taking a photo of his son on a children's train ride after an over-zealous security guard accused him of being a paedophile. Kevin Geraghty-Shewan, 48, was approached by the guard after he took the picture of his four-year-old son Ben on the toy engine outside a shop.[/i] A friend of mine was telling me that he was with his 3 year old son in a shopping mall when his son started to feel unwell and began vomiting. He grabbed his son and ran to the nearest bathroom. Immediately a security officer opened the bathroom door and began asking questions... Do you think that we are going far. Can't they trust you with your own children nowadays?
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@moondancer (7433)
• United States
27 Feb 10
Yes, in some instances people go way too far. Yhe guard should have entered the bathroom to check up on the boy. Then if seeing anything going on out of the way, intervene. Some times many things happen to children because people will not check up on them or go that extra mile. But make sure there is a problem first before doing something.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
On one hand I understand that this security guy was doing his duty after all but If I was instead of my friend I would end up feeling like a criminal. I think it should be done in a subtle manner
• United States
1 Mar 10
I do understand and I might feel the same way too. I don't know. I do know that I would be glad too that someone took the time to check it out and another child did not wind up abused or worse. Some people do not want to get involved or do not act on their feelings.
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
27 Feb 10
That certainly is going to far I mean come on it is making Parents more and more paranoid soon Mum's will be stopped holding their Childs Hand this is getting so stupid now
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
I hope that we dont go to that extreme.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
27 Feb 10
The UK is an adult hostile zone. Go within two metres of a child and people get twitchy - I am not entirely joking either. I think that the security guard was right to notice what was happening but should have used greater judgement in deciding to intervene. I blame the media to a great extent. They delight in reporting the sordid details which in turn builds hostility and fear. The answer to your question is no - "They" don't trust us with our own children anymore.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Feb 10
pikey bad parents have caused good parents to get the bruntof things'now. when I as a little kid had been molested I w ent to the pastor of our church, and because my father was the town doctor he refused to believe me, that makes a little kid who is confused and not sure what happened to her feel like nobody will believe her. Now good parents get that same feeling when stopped because a security guard thinks something may be wrong. its so sad that these things happen at all.The media does have a lot to answer for. We really should be trusted more but as I said a few bad apples make it hard for most of the good parents who are in the majority. The security guards should have used better judgment but again they had no way of knowing those men were really the fathers, but still they might have been a tad more sensitive. Here in the states when we decide to put something into place, we tend to go way overboard and that just makes things so much worse. Pedophiles should be watched for sure, but good parents should be shown much more sensitivity when asked if they are the parents, maybe shown the reason for the questions in fact.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
Thanks both of your for your comments here. The media's purpose is to sell news...and earn money sometimes at the expense of the truth and education. they exploit crimes and stories of child abuse and thus everyone is on guard that their children would not be harmed.
@wolveren (1586)
• Cebu, Philippines
1 Mar 10
p1kef1sh you hit the nail right on the head. It's the media that makes these things into gigantic proportions. Now we can't even go out with our own kids in public? In my country, specially in my neighborhood you could lose a head with that idiotic meddling. Now they don't trust us with our very own kids? What is the purpose of society as a whole then? We bring kids into this world to make our society buzzing live with people. That creates tons of money for the business sector. More humans to farm on. And now we can't go out with our own kids without being checked if we are pedophiles? hehehe. Ronaldinu was right on the mark too.. We are going too damn far.. What's next?
• Canada
28 Feb 10
WTH???? This is ridiculous! His own son, can't take him to the bathroom. Geesh, I woulda said, "Oh, good, you can help mop up the puke with me", and he would have made a hasty exit. As far as taking a pic of his own son, I woulda told the idiot to 'take a hike'.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
Or ask him to help me clean the mess :)
@iridium (431)
1 Mar 10
reading the daily mail. hmm. i think that was your 1st mistake!
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
2 Mar 10
why is that? :)
• India
27 Feb 10
some times i think m going far frm some one.....its a critcal time..ehrn u have to choose one of ur fav person out of most closed two......very recently i was in such condition....when i have to choose one of ma best frnd....but i over come it....
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• India
27 Feb 10
Well, I don’t know how far it went…I mean was the father arrested or something equally drastic? If that was the case then yes, it was carrying it too far otherwise if it was a misunderstanding then I think the security guard was within his brief to check against paedophiles and kidnappers. The world is not getting any safer and more so for kids who trust people easily. Its better to be safe than sorry.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
No he was just asked a few questions, that was it. He was not arrested.
@dloveli (4366)
• United States
28 Feb 10
I would've had that officers badge. You know what I see is two things. One was an over zealous rent a cop. Secondly because of the horrific people in the world that prey on innocent children, we as parents cannot go into public and have healthy interactions with our children. I am so glad I wasnt the parent involved in either of these situations. I would've been arrested. How dare he open the bathroom door. I would have pushed that he be fired. NO one should open the bathroom door. If they thought their could be foul play at least give the guy a few minutes. If he doesnt come out then you begin knocking. The last alternative would have been to open the door. What if the guy had a stomach ache. How embarassing for everyone if he was taking a dump.lol As far as the other guy goes, If you accuse me you best be able to back it up. I would have had both of them fired. If they werent I would have sued the shopping mall, the owner of the train ride, and whomever else had any involvement with the venues. When security personell goes thru training they should add a section on being to eager or having proof before you accuse. But of course they wont do that it would cost money. Happy MyLotting dl
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
Hi mysticmaggie /dloveli. I would not have sought to be fired. But I would have given them my one cent of what I think of them. What harm is there of taking a photo of your own son? i think we are stretching things too far.... The story article says it was an innocent photo. It was not a photo at the beach with a child wearing a swimsuit!
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@dloveli (4366)
• United States
1 Mar 10
I understand where you're coming from maggie but put yourself in the parents shoes. For most parents its hard enough to spend quality time due to their schedules. Now here is some security guard that is taking his job way to far and there should be no repercussions. An example should be made. Why should it be at the expense of the parent and child. How do you think that child felt when this police man(because all the child saw was the uniform) accosting his parent for no reason. Who's responsibility is that? It is clear that we have different opinions and I do see your point that the guard was being safe. Come on I was a manager of a store for many years and one of the first thing we teach our guards and employees that if they suspect any type of wrong doing they arent to touch them. No physical contact. Due to the fact that they can sue. He should have talked to the parent. It was clear he should be fired because he didnt follow protocol. That's why he should be fired. dl
• United States
28 Feb 10
So a security officer has the decency to try and protect a child from a possible pedophile and you would have him fired? Sorry, I have to disagree. I would have thanked him for being so diligent and caring about the children in the mall where he works. How was the child posed on the train? Did the other guard see the child throwing up first? Better to have them check on the child than to stand around with twiddling their thumbs while things like the young girl in the news being beaten are happening.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Feb 10
hi ronaldinu if you were on the other side of things you would not think that at all. The security guard did not know that the man taking a picture of his son was the father, and perhaps because there had been incidents of pedophiles being in that vicinity and doing the same thing he was just taking precautions. So really no harm done once the father showed that he was the father of the boy. Likewise the other security guard .Look if they knew the men were the parents none 'of that would have happened. Better a little humiliation than another two kids who were molested.Molesters do do the same things in appearance that a parent might do but the motives and the results are ugly and much different. from a person who was once molested by a family member, I think we need to be more careful. We let loose pedophiles to come live in our neighborhood we must be more cautious.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
I understand that sometimes decisions have to be taken in a split of a second and diplomacy not might be on top of the priorities at that time as child's safety is. But we must make sure not to punish honest and good parents.
@hellcowboy (7374)
• United States
28 Mar 10
I can not believe that crap,which that is exactly what it is,it is total uncalled for crap,I can not believe that a father taking his sons picture when he is having a good time,would seem like a pedophile activity,and I can not believe a sick child would seem like it too,I think the security guards are too over zealous and we are going too far when stuff like that happens,and I know if a security treated me like that I would knock his bloody lights out,because a parent can be trusted with a kid, now if the kid was screaming then it would be different,but if the kid does not seem like he or she is being abused,then people do not need to act so unruly because not everyone is a pedophile.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
29 Mar 10
It is a sad story that we have come to the situation where every father is considered as a potential pedophile. I don't like this attitude at all.
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• United States
31 Mar 10
I know it is a sad time when fathers are considered potential pedophiles and I do not like the attitude either.
@nanajanet (4436)
• United States
27 Feb 10
Yes.... and no. Why do I say that? Because many times people have ignored things that may have saved a child, so now people are paranoid. It is annoying to have it happen but honestly, what IF that father was not really the father. Of course, checking out after and not being nasty about it, is good. Just keeping an eye on a person that you suspect rather than attacking them is best.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
James bulger case and a recent case in Uk where two children suffered abuse at the hands of other two evil children of 11 yrs +, are a case in point.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
27 Feb 10
Hey ronaldinu~ These two stories are really very frightening to say the least! Both men where fathers and were doing absolutely nothing wrong! I definitely think that this world has gone totally insane! When we need for our children to be helped there is no one around! This is a very sad state to say the least! I would definitely say this was going to far! I just really don't even know what to say, and as you know, I am never left speachless!
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
As a father I feel offended by these stories. If I was instead of them I would feel really bad that they would think badly of me.
• India
27 Feb 10
It is the first time I read word Pedophile and then looked into the dictionary to get the meaning. These days, we read in news papers all kinds of horrible stories. Since it is not written on the face of either the man or his child that they are father and son in relation, it was good on the part of the guard and his alertness should be appreciated.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
or you can see the other side of the coin....
• India
27 Feb 10
It is really not good to read this kind of stuff, still they are doing all these thing for our security only they don't want to take any risk. We should co operate with them.
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@kun2349 (23381)
• Singapore
3 Mar 10
hahaha =D I think the security guard is full of insecurities to whoever with a kid beside!! hehe The securtiy guard's actions are not wrong, as it's a way to prevent crimes from happening if there's gonna be any.. Plus, even one's own father can be raping their own daughters, and what else is not possible??
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
4 Mar 10
I believe he was doing his job... a little bit over zealous... but I would not like to encounter one such as him...
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
28 Feb 10
This kind of problem is what's going to be so confusing that my fear is that in any case, the actual person doing a bad deed can get away without being detected. You know the sort of thing where you concentrate on one thing so much that the other loses focus, something like that. This is getting rather complicated and I think there should be a character study course for personnel or something to easily detect someone suspicious, which in turn may appear to be true.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
Sometimes I really doubt whether security guards or police officers receive training in psychology and how to deal with such situations.
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
1 Mar 10
I wonder too.. there should be courses definitely to prepare them mentally and perhaps physically too.. those whom are young and fit, that is.
@goldeneagle (6745)
• United States
17 Mar 10
I don't think that security guard would have liked what I had to say to him if he had done that to me. Some people just need to learn to mind their own damn business, or at least use some common sense. I am not a child molester, but I think most of them would agree with me when I say that IF I were looking for a child to molest, I certainly wouldn't pick one who is probably gonna puke all over me on the way to the bathroom LOL
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
22 Mar 10
Hi goldeneagle its hard to be treated as if you were a child molester. I would not like it at all definitely and I would have protested with my lungs out. On the other hand one cannot let his guard down when it comes to child abuse.
@wolveren (1586)
• Cebu, Philippines
27 Feb 10
If I would be accused of anything by taking pictures of my own son then they should then sue me for beating up the guard. Guilty as charged. Lol.. And I mean it. Ok I think that is way over the line. Unless you are truly guilty of anything they shouldn't spring on people like that. Specially in public. You know what happens when they do that. Believe me the guard probably broke that special moment between the father and son. What a bummer. Unless there is probable cause then some action must be taken. But just because one is taking a picture of his own child? Give me a break. That is way too much. Now sue me for beating up the guard. Lol.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
Hi wolv:) I hope that at that time I would remain calm because most probably I would have a similar reactions to yours.
@wolveren (1586)
• Cebu, Philippines
1 Mar 10
Yup most likely that would be my first reaction. Now this doesn't mean if we react like this we are all too shallow. There are trainings for security personnel or even for the police to handle matters like these with most care. Real good parents can go overboard when this happens. Specially when a wrong approach is made. But it's a vicious cycle really, no matter how much tact and patience you may have as a security not all parents will react the same way and not all parents will be very cooperative. That is why this issue is a very sensitive one at that.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
28 Feb 10
I think that people have become very afraid because of all the stories that they have been exposed to concerning children. I think that people are saying that children might be getting hurt somewhere but not on my watch. I know that to people that love their children, it might seem like these people are going to far...and maybe they are..but I can see why they are. I think I would be offended if it were me they focused on but I can see why people are freaking out over stuff related to children.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
28 Feb 10
But why the society is on constant watch when a man is involved. In UK there was recently a case of two children (11+) abusing of another two children. There was the case of James Bulger who was killed by another two children. Why if you see a man with a child the word PEDOPHILE comes into the mind of most of us?
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
1 Mar 10
It's not fair..I know that..I do think it is because people have been so surprised in the past. A lot of children have been hurt by the very people that they trust the most. I read once that it is almost always someone that the child knows...family..neighbor. I have two girls and I have to be honest..I have always been suspisious and very cautious with them. I don't think that I have thought pedophile with men but I have kept my girls above the chance for one to be around them.
• United States
4 Mar 10
That is just too crazy. I am a strong advocate of protecting children, but sometimes people just go a little too far - like that first story, the father and son were in public for Pete's sake and decent - AND not even touching or anything!! Some security folks are just a little too power hungry!
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
4 Mar 10
Some guards are over zealous and they manage to see the devil even in holy water