It all feels like pressure

@dawnald (85135)
Shingle Springs, California
March 11, 2010 2:06pm CST
5 years of "don't smother me", "give me space", "respect my sleep", "listen to what I'm saying", "I have a right to set boundaries", "don't lose your temper with the children over nothing", "give me the benefit of the doubt", etc. etc. etc. And now that I've decided to leave and he knows it, I'm getting, "it was all my fault", "I was smothering you", "you need your sleep", "losing my temper like that is hurtful", "I'm an idiot" etc. etc. etc. Dang. Everything I wanted to hear. Behavior I wanted to see. Is he just telling me what I want to hear? Or has it finally sunken in and it's sincere? I don't know if it matters any more. To me it just all feels like pressure...
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
11 Mar 10
I guess that he has realised that he is guilty of all those things but people don't change overnight. Being aware of something and altering it takes a long time. He should have become aware of it a long time ago. He is an adult and should be a responsable one and should have seen the warning signs. He didn't and now realises what his future holds - no Dawn! Now he will try all sorts of ploys to keep things together but be careful, people don't change overnight - if indeed ever.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
It's not just warning signs. I have been telling him straight out in counseling for almost 2 years!
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
11 Mar 10
Dawn, I can tell you from past personal experience that while a man is going through counselling with his partner he is sooooo believing that all is well. They (men) do not seem to realise that that IS a warning sign. Things plod on but you are still a couple regardless of all the rest. Not until the woman mentions and decides on a split do they seem to wake up Other than the fact that I have only one son, the rest seems a copy of my past situation
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@Wizzywig (7847)
11 Mar 10
Good point there... they keep telling you that, as far as they're concerned, there is no problem & you can actually begin to think that maybe you're just over-reacting & go down the guilt-trip road.....
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@nannacroc (4049)
11 Mar 10
He's telling you what you want to hear. If you give in it will take a month at the most for things to start going downhill again. Although I haven't commented on many of your discussions about your relationship, I have read them and from what I've read, the best thing for you and your children is to leave. Do it while you have the courage. I can tell by previous posts that you have done al you can to keep the relationship together and now it seems it's time to move on.
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@nannacroc (4049)
11 Mar 10
Whatever he says never, never, never blame yourself or he's got you. He sounds like he needs help but you need to get away for your own sanity and self esteem. Take care.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
A month, ha! It's taken a day and a half. I haven't seen the temper since Monday night, but the pressure and the guilting and all that, yep, it's back all right!
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
There's another problem, blaming myself for things. But I am under orders to 'forgive myself' etc.
@babyangie27 (5176)
• United States
11 Mar 10
My sister in law went threw this same thing. Her husband was a jerk(not saying yours is) but still when she finally decided to leave. It was like someone threw cold water on his face and he woke up. Told her everything she needed and wanted to hear after all these years. She stayed and it worked for about a month and went right back to the same old same old. I know it is hard but you have to do what is best for you. I am all for second chances but sometimes old habits die hard.
• United States
11 Mar 10
And I seen from a comment above that you have been telling him for years you are going to leave in counseling. So why now all of a sudden does it hit him? And why now all of a sudden does he care? Is it for you or for himself? Maybe he doesn't want to face life starting over...things to ponder.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
He CAN be a jerk, but he certainly isn't one all the time or I'd be outta here, years ago! But old habits definitely die hard, he's proof of that, 100%!
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
He has always cared, but he has always believed that: 1. my behavior needs to change and 2. that I need his help Instead of listening to what I've been telling him that I need...
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@savypat (20216)
• United States
11 Mar 10
He most likely is just saying what you want to hear, after all you are a woman and they get these crazy ideas, it's best just to go along and things will quite down again. Men hate change unless there's curvey blond involved.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
Do you know where I can find a curvy blond?
@savypat (20216)
• United States
12 Mar 10
I'm sure he does
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
12 Mar 10
No, he's glommed on to me so tight, he doesn't even know there are other women out there. Kind of like a barnacle or something.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Mar 10
It is pressure my friend. It could be that he is telling you what you want to hear or that he had realized that you are leaving and he better walk the line. There comes a time when it is just to late though. I'm not saying it is that time for you two, but sometimes it gets to the point that no matter what they do..it's to late for it to be enough. Take care.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
14 Mar 10
today was the 'just open your heart to me' speech... well dang if it was all that easy, I would have done that long ago...
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@hofferp (4734)
• United States
11 Mar 10
Well, you could just go for a separation and marriage counseling, if you're not sure. Maybe a little time apart would help you think through things; find out if he's sincere or just saying/doing things he knows you want to hear/see. How old are the kids? And have you told them anything yet? Dr. Laura, not that I listen to her much/agree with her much, would tell you to stay together until the kids were old enough to leave the house. I say to that, the fighting that goes on in the home may be more detrimental to the kids. Are the kids going to be ok with a separation -- divorce?
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
I'm willing to go for a separation. A REAL one where he isn't living in the same house. The kids are 9 and 13. The oldest knows we're in marriage counseling. The twins just know we have "appointments". I cannot stay together with him 9 more years the way things are, no way. And I think the kids will be fine with a separation if it's handled right.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
11 Mar 10
dawn I think your kids will be a lot better with a seperation than to see you two go through another nine more years like the past, thats what really hurts the children, the tension the anger, knowing mommy is upset and daddy made her that way, thats going to hurt the children much worse. you will handle the separation with grace as you do all things , and I do believe this.
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
11 Mar 10
Yeah, as a minimum, a separation. It sounds like you've had it... And I agree with Hatley, not Dr. Laura, concerning the kids and how you'll handle it.
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@Dumpertaker (1187)
11 Mar 10
Aw man, first off sorry to hear that things have gone bad in your relationship. Secondly, as much as I don't like saying it, I do think he is just telling you what you want to hear as he does not want to lose you, but by the sounds of it that's too little too late. Sure, it may well have sunken in..but sadly I doubt it.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
I think you're right on...
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• United States
13 Mar 10
It does sound like he is Now trying to be the man you want so you won't leave. It is all up to you. Follow your heart,. If you Really think you can make it work this time then stay. But if it is too late then leave. Do what will leave you with no regrets.But remember, you have the power. Do what will make you the most happy.
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@ElicBxn (63235)
• United States
11 Mar 10
He's just saying what he thinks you want to hear to try and keep you there... Run away, far away!
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@ElicBxn (63235)
• United States
11 Mar 10
I would, but I'm not known for being nice to BSers - is it cold? will he freeze his tushy? even better!
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
can I just kick HIM out?
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
cold enough
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
12 Mar 10
I have been told 'be patient'....'he will change' for the last 28 years and my patience have worn out and the pressure is mounting. The stupidity is believing on others pacifying words when they mean no harm but I have to think that time and tide waits for no man. Will join in your new club pretty soon.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
12 Mar 10
Oh well it's only been 27 years, maybe I should wait another year. :-)
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
12 Mar 10
Is 28 years the breaking point?
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
12 Mar 10
I think 25 years was...
@Wizzywig (7847)
11 Mar 10
I'd say, think about what YOU want from your life! I have heard that sort of thing and, for me, it turned out to be a mixture of the two...part genuine realisation - part damage limitation. I really wish you well in all this... most important, take care of YOU!!
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
I don't want to be with him. And I don't want to live with this stress any more. repeat until resolved
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
11 Mar 10
Hi dawn now didn't I tell you all along that that marriage counseller was an idiot. Unfortunately when you leave he'll pile the pressure on much more.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
Hi there. I was going to say "no she's not" but you're talking about that one I found online. Doesn't matter if he's an idiot or not, since we never really followed through with the program. Anyway, I'm not leaving, HE is. :-)
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
Here, Thea, have some more socks, you're going to need them...
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
12 Mar 10
Go girl; of course HE is leaving. Can I have a coffee instead of socks, I won't need them in another month or so.
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• Canada
11 Mar 10
I dont think Im the right one to answer this. I dont know him, dont really know you either, but it sure sounds like a lot of men lately (sorry dont mean to offend any of the male species here) I was in this situation a long time ago and had enough of this crap after 6 months into the marriage so I just left. No ifs, no buts, I packed my stuff and walked out the door. Its been the best decision of my life. Today in retrospect, Im wondering why I didnt leave the first month haha! Men AND women dont change. We shouldnt change, so if it doesnt work, just walk out the door or kick his sorry a** out the door. But thats me and you're you. So you do what you feel is right for you.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
What I feel is right for me is to leave. Of course, there are children in the middle and most of the time he's basically a decent guy. That's what makes it so hard. But I feel that I am better off alone, really. Maybe somebody will come along some day who is right for me, but alone is better than this.
• Bulgaria
11 Mar 10
Sounds so familiar...I think the wolf may lose his theeth but never his nature. And that he's just scared that you may leave.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
Terrified - he has this HUGE separation anxiety problem.
• United States
12 Mar 10
All you have to do is threaten em with leaving to see if the behavior will change or not!
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
12 Mar 10
We're already there...
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
15 Mar 10
Why? Why was he doing those things, why was he so needy and aggravated? Has he been able to figure it out and talk to you about it? Ask him those questions you asked us. Maybe you just need a long break to repair yourself and lick your wounds and heal. Maybe he will do the same.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
15 Mar 10
I've been there, it's clear, you'll understand for 5 minutes until you remember something else then you are back to square one. You need to find acceptance, go with your gut, your heart is over it for now.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
15 Mar 10
many reasons, we're working it out slowly, meaning we're understanding it, not necessarily fixing it.... clear as mud?
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• United States
20 Mar 10
hmm..i don't know dawnald..any guy i'd had reverse himself like that always reverted later if i stayed.i don't know him so i can't say..but i'd be wary of it unless he backs up that i'm sorry somehow.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
20 Mar 10
yeah, I don't trust a lot of it.
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
12 Mar 10
It feels like hot, it feels like cold.. if you feel like you can't take the pressure, try to go for a mini getaway or a weekend getaway to somewhere alone or with a close friend and think things through. Just give yourself and him this last chance, and think over, even though I know you might have gone through it a thousand times in your head. By the way, your kids know about this decision of yours... ?
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
16 Mar 10
Ooo'
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
12 Mar 10
haven't spoken to the kids yet
• Canada
11 Mar 10
Yes, he is definitely maniupulating you into staying and not leaving to rattle his world, because he finally believes you, that you WILL leave if he doesn't shape up. The only way to be sure, is time, unfortunately. If he can keep up the grade for any length of time, or if he only acts properly when you threaten to leave. At least, if you decide to stay and try and work it out, you can give him his last warning NOW. This is his last chance, and you will not hesitate, nor stay after ANY pleading, if he reverts back to his old ways.
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• Canada
11 Mar 10
Then please try to be strong and keep on going, right on past him to a better life. I think it will be good for you, bad for him.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Mar 10
There's already a wee bit of reverting going on...
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@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
12 Mar 10
Hi dawn, what is your gut feeling? because having lived together for so long I am sure that you know him inside out...I know it is such a pain when you come to cross roads and are on the verge of making a decision.Either way one has to compromise...all the best dawn and chin up
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
12 Mar 10
My gut feeling is that I'm not going to be happy if I stay and that he's just not right for me.
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@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
12 Mar 10
I am sure you know best and you should do what you think is right for you....I have always felt that one tends to stick on because of outside factors and become more miserable...
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