Damned if you do, and damned if you do not.
@Hatley (163772)
Garden Grove, California
April 3, 2010 2:41pm CST
As an elder user here, I have seen new comers say a lot of times we should help them learn the ropes. Okay so what do you people do when you do give advice about reading the rules, the guideline, the TOs and qs and as , and you get told you are scolding and bossy and an old grandma we must respect blah blah. would you continue trying to help knowing a lot of newcomers are just going to get mad at you? I am ready to forget to help anyone here as some say none of your business. maybe they are right, I no longer know. Maybe I am just a bossy elderly I will not say old woman but
I have reached the end of my rope. your take?
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@ElicBxn (64169)
• United States
4 Apr 10
Unless I'm specifically asked how I do it, I don't suggest anything.
I do then give a few suggestions, including reading the TOS and stuff.
But since I don't go looking for discussions like that to answer, I can kind of judge them by their response and if they are grateful, I might accept them as a friend, or not if they aren't.
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@ElicBxn (64169)
• United States
4 Apr 10
I'm over feeling sorry for folks. Actually was that way by the time I got here.
Actually, if they are going to stay, they will read the rules. I've met people that just start and start and start, but never respond to those who respond to their discussions or to their friend's discussions - and that's not a friend. They can just go away.
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
hi ElicBxn me too , from now on let them figure it out or not, so what, its time for me to think of my own needs, I have seen those too who do not comment back, and it maKes you feel so odd. well anyway Happy Easter the sun is out and looks like a very pretty day here in Ca.

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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
hi elicbxn from now on I will only suggest things to people who ask, I will not any longer suggest to those who do not want any help in the first place. its not any of my business except I felt it s sortof sad for people to keep losing their discussions.

@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
6 Apr 10
I have no idea why they would get annoyed when you are attempting to set them straight...I wish I had someone come to my aid when I first started and lost discussions because I didn’t bother to read the guidelines! I did not realise the importance of them until a kind MyLotter pointed them out to me and explained that it is paramount to familiarise yourself with the rules here when you first start. I would attempt to help and if that is the reaction you receive move on…It is rude and ignorant on their part, especially using the old woman thing but what can you do? Leave them to their own devices, they don’t deserve help...
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Apr 10
hi paula yes indeed after all so many times a person sees someone about to lose a discussion then they are saying no one helps them here,well whynot just read the information in t he first place, I guess what makes sense to me does not to some other.okay let them find out or not,if they like not getting paid anything and getting discussions deleted and being notified well okay have fun. I am now sorry I was so damned honest about my age.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
24 Apr 10
hi paula I know but some people here have accused me of fibbing about my age and no I never have fibbed about my age.I look elderly and am elderly but also young at heart. lately my adult son comes to ask me for advice
'which is amazing to me, I am usually the one asking him for advice. lollol



@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
7 Apr 10
You shouldn't have to feel sorry for divulging your age...
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
4 Apr 10
I don't offer help or suggestions unless someone specifically ASKS for it. I have been places where people who have tried to offer help come off as busybody and obnoxious (like they know everything because they've been there for 500 years) or they turn into the grammar or punctuation police and rip someone - who might not even know much english.
People who do either one of those things peeve me off - help and advice should only be given if someone WANTS it. If it's not asked for, the person will probably not take it the way it's intended.
Now if someone ASKED for advice or help, then I think they need to accept it graciously. If I came across a discussion where a newbie was ASKING for help, I would put a disclaimer in before I wrote my response stating that they must remember THEY MADE THE DISCUSSION ASKING PEOPLE. If they attacked me later, I would rate them negatively and report them. Lesson here - be careful what you ask for, you just might get it! If you get what you wanted, why be upset? LOL!
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
mommygoo that was my big error I volunteered to help and only
was looked at as scolding and a busybody and an old grandma, I'know
its not American and good to be old, but people do grow old and
I really cannot help my age. So now they will have to beg me for
help as I will not tolerate being called insulting names at all.
I do not have to , so will not offer help unless asked point blank.
But I was not being any of the things you said,and I have not'been
here five hundred years, there are others who have been here much longer. I just have big numbers because I am retired and have more time on my'hands than many people do. So yes I did report it as I feel we all
should be respected in spite of our ages,young, old or in between.but from now on I will never offer advice. I have seen others do that here and they were not attacked so why me, because of my age of course. that is wrong.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
4 Apr 10
I've seen people who are young get attacked too - one of the sites I was a regular at for almost 4 years was a pregnancy and due date forum. Many many of the regular posters were young - some of them much younger than me. I think one of the problems is that after someone is considered a 'regular' or 'long time user', they are comfortable at a site and know the social ettiquette there, whatever it happens to be. If you're at a site and you regularly go off topic with certain friends and it's not a big deal, and then a new person comes in and posts a discussion say... about kids' shoes, and when you do your normal off-topic 'hey margie, I bought connor the cutest shoes for easter blah blah' and the new person comes back and says 'huh? why are you talking about what you bought your kid?!' then you can obviously tell they aren't up to speed on how people communicate lol.
There is nothing wrong with age, with it comes experience, right? I think all the time about how my daughter is now from the i-generation - iPod, iPhone, sheesh... iPad? She didn't know what a cassette tape was, a vhs movie, a vinyl record. We don't even have a turn table any more. She doesn't remember life without a microwave. She wouldn't know what to do with a rotary phone with a cord on it. If she couldn't turn on the tv or change the channel with a remote, she'd think the tv was broken. Being around longer is valuable because of how much life changes. I was kidding about the 500 years, people might accuse me of the same thing because I am very comfortable here. I've been random lately but once I get drawn in, I stay for awhile.
I know your intentions are always good, you are a very sweet person and I enjoy most of my interactions with you. I'm just saying that for a brand new person, we here are ALL strangers, and it stands to reason that a new person might immediately take offense to any unsolicited advice just because most people wouldn't want a stranger saying 'hey, don't do that' or 'hey, do this instead'. Between acquaintances or definitely friends, things are taken in the best possible light, but when you don't know somebody, even the best intentions get muddled.
I've seen several good friends and long time users point out things to newbies unsolicited and get ripped.... I have told them before that's WHY I don't do it. I'd rather let people bury themselves, dig their own graves, etc etc. It doesn't mean I don't notice when someone isn't doing things the right way, but I choose not to get involved any more. I have suggested someone read the TOS before, only because I think doing that will give someone MOST of what they need to know, after which none of us are responsible for their failure to comprehend what they read 

@celticeagle (189833)
• Boise, Idaho
5 Apr 10
I think these people are too lazy to take care of their own business. I think if someone had tried to read the guidelines and was really have a honest problem with something then I would try to help them. But, if they are just too lazy to read the rules and what us to DO IT FOR THEM I am apposed to that.
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 10
hi celticeagle that was it exactly this person said well the others on here dont get mad just cause they get their responses deleted helping tell us the rules, now thats real help. I responded maybe they can afford to lose their earnings but I am not that well off financially and I am intelligent enough to think you are
using me instead of doing the work of reading the rules yourself.,okay so he or she is angry with me, well shucks I am truly pissed off too. let them do this for themselves. go read the blasted rules. 

using me instead of doing the work of reading the rules yourself.,okay so he or she is angry with me, well shucks I am truly pissed off too. let them do this for themselves. go read the blasted rules. 

@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Apr 10
hi celticeagle I do agree with you, as really if one would read the information for ones self it would really make better sense even if the person had to read it several times. what do some of the new ones want, us to rewrite the info and spoon feed it to them, is that not sort of lazy. Yes earning respect is always important and specially on here as well as in your daily doings.




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@celticeagle (189833)
• Boise, Idaho
6 Apr 10
Yes, I am highly against users. I just stand by what I believe and think if others don't like it they can punt. I got to the point years ago that certain things and people just aren't worth the air space and remember: respect is something people earn not deserve. Earning ones respect on here is just as important as in every day life.
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
4 Apr 10
Hi Hatley! I think you are right! We are damned if we try to
help some of these newbies! They seem to know it all and some
of them have very smart and abusive mouths! I think that I am
also fed up with even bothering anymore with trying to give
them help because alot of them just get nasty and abusive anyway!
So, what's the point! It is sad that the nice ones have to suffer
for the others, but why should we waste out time if we are only
going to get called names and picked on? It just isn't worth
our time and getting aggravated over!
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
hi opal26 yes we are sort of in a catch 22 situation, like me and my diabetes, I need to lose weight but my pills seem to keep it on,yet without my pills I cannot control my blood sugar.guess some things you just cannot win on. so let those who refuse to read the rules and want to be spoon fed, learn for themselves or not learn,up to them.
@kprofgames (3089)
• United States
4 Apr 10
I think when a person jumps on another - especially when they ASKED for help to begin with - that they are really looking for some great angle here to turn a buck faster. They don't want to hear what they should be doing, they want the some trick to get them through all the red tape so to speak.
I mean it's like jumping into playing a game - not learning the rules then getting upset when it isn't working. 

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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
hi kprofgames Yes and the funny thing is they will not make any'money when their stuff is deleted, maybe they think my lot will still pay them but they do not. its funny how they come in here,refuse to learn the ropes then whine when they do not make any money. so they quit and tell others mylot is a scam. sad.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
4 Apr 10
That really is sad, because in advice to newbies I have always explained to them that you get what you put in here. This site is definitely not a scam, it's excellent, but you don't get something for nothing, you have to be a good contributor.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
yes indeed mommyboo it is sad as if they just used a little effort they
would see why we all enjoy mylot so much. it is certainly not a scam and all of us mylotters can attest to that.
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
4 Apr 10
Actually I haven't said anything to anyone because I think in the 15 months I was gone they changed the guidelines. But if I knew a newby was going against the guidelines, I would tell them to watch out and to read the guidelines, because if they continue, their posts will get deleted and possibly their account. In fact, I should quit searching out posts to reply to and reread those guidelines now, thanks for the reminder..
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
5 Apr 10
You did the right thing, let them learn on their own because if they won't listen to wisdom, then they will pay for their ignorance.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 10
hi carmelanirel. yes I think its best too as they can either decide we are right and they should read the information for themselves, or they will keep on just ignoring it and give up. no skin off my nose as I did
try to help and thats enough. no more.


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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 10
hi carmelanirel I occasionally go back and read as they have made some changes, this particular newby did not like being told to read the rule, I was charged with being scolding and bossy etc called an insulting name and well I am just an old lady who has to be respected or else he or she would have, I got the message, so to heck with them let them ignore the ru les then whine because they got deleted and mylot did not pay them, so mylot is a scam blah blah. sick of it. there are plenty of quality discussions to respond to, why just get my responses deleted? 





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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
5 Apr 10
I think you are not a bossy elderly woman.
Oh wait, what was the question?
idk Sometimes I jump in and offer to help, usually not when somebody else has gotten their first. I have never gotten attacked for it, but I have gotten ignored or had people continue to complain about something after I have explained. Guess I can live with that....
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Apr 10
hi dawnald this made me thing of my dad. He had a really quick temper and I used to live in dread of ticking him off. so I learned to count to hundred at times just to keep from hearing him explode. lol lol I like your new avatar.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Apr 10
Technically it's my old avatar, but thanks!!!

@cream97 (29085)
• United States
3 Apr 10
Hi, Hatley. It is nice that you are helping others out but if they don't appreciate everything that you have done for them, then it is best for you to let them learn on their own, the hard way. If you want to help someone that you feel is grateful for your assistance, please do so. You never know when you may may find yourself in this situation. You are not bossy at all. You are very generous and many people should be kind to you because of your sweet heart. If I did not know something on myLot, I would be glad for someone to help me out. I would not refuse their help by getting mad and calling you mean and ugly names. Sometimes, you will have to let others find their own way, the hard way.
If they never learn anything, then they can't blame you at all, they can only blame themselves.
If they never learn anything, then they can't blame you at all, they can only blame themselves.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
3 Apr 10
hi cream97 yes I think some people can accept help and not
feel you are bossing them, while others look at your suggestions
of how to keep from losing discussions as just being mean and
criticizing so best to let those find out for themselves. I
will now only help if I am asked directly.

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@cream97 (29085)
• United States
3 Apr 10
I don't blame you. People are so stubborn when they want to be. That is why some people have such a hard time in life because of their hard heads!
If they took the time to follow effective advice, then they would not be in a bind. I am thankful that someone is helping me out and helping me from getting into serious trouble. You won't find people that care anymore, but you do. You are a blessing to others and it is a shame that they can't see it. But, I cream97, see it clearly as day.
If they took the time to follow effective advice, then they would not be in a bind. I am thankful that someone is helping me out and helping me from getting into serious trouble. You won't find people that care anymore, but you do. You are a blessing to others and it is a shame that they can't see it. But, I cream97, see it clearly as day.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
thanks cream seems a shame that some will just keep on ignoring the
'rules and keep getting deleted, then fuss cause they did not make
'any money so they leave and tell others that mylot is a scam. sa.

@bunnybon7 (50970)
• Holiday, Florida
4 Apr 10
so sorry. i seem to be missing all these discussions that people are treating you bad in. anyway, thats very sad. but i havent had that problem. ive just advised them about get several friends with your same interests, always answer their discussions, etc. maybe im just lucky.
i wouldnt bother with them any longer if i were you just to be safe from them
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
bunnybon I offered suggestions that were not asked for and got
thouroughly insulted due to my horrible age, so as far as I am
'concerned from now on I only give advice if some one wants it
from a disgustingly old user. age seems to reign here as an element
of disgust, must be we old ones should all just disappear.
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Apr 10
hi bunny bon gess that idea got lost in their search to stay young forever, got news for them , there is no fountain of youth,he he



@bunnybon7 (50970)
• Holiday, Florida
4 Apr 10
oh my. i hope not. im no young chick either.
what ever happened to the idea we should be listened to because we are wiser? 
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@leenie50 (3992)
• United States
4 Apr 10
Hi Hatley,
I absolutely would not help anymore if I was getting those kind of responses. It's time for these people to stop being so lazy and read all the rules etc. like we have done. Ignorance is no excuse for rudeness. Save your responses for those you know and know and love you.
Hugsss
Leenie
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
hi leenie yes there is no reason for me any longer to offer suggestions unless someone actually asks me personally for help. to offer help when it seems unappreciate is just asking to be hurt and I do not need that
specially now when I am not feeling all that great.
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
hi leeny feel like a new person this Easter, no more steroid pills this morning so blood sugar back down to normal yesterday it was 300 which made me feel just awful. anyway Happy Easter Leenie.

@kitty42 (3923)
• United States
4 Apr 10
Hello my friend
Happy Easter.
I have not had any rude feed-back when I try to help others but I will continue to do so, when I was new people helped me and that made life so much easier for me, so I will help when I think my help is needed and if some don't appreciate it then its their lost, keep helping others my friend that is always a good thing.
Smoochessss
Happy Easter.
I have not had any rude feed-back when I try to help others but I will continue to do so, when I was new people helped me and that made life so much easier for me, so I will help when I think my help is needed and if some don't appreciate it then its their lost, keep helping others my friend that is always a good thing.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
happy Easter Kitty yes it good to help others, but evidently not when it was not asked for, and when they can look on my profile see my age
then sneer at me.not feeling all that kindly right now, I have helped'but
like most people I am human, I have feelings, and they were hurt. have enough troubles on my own, dont need any cyber space ones right now.
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
hi kitty yes sometimes you have to change tactics so for awhile I
will cool it,after all I did not have to offer help when it was not
asked so to heck with them. they will keep getting things deleted
and finally give up then tell everyone mylot does not pay.sad.Happy Easter.
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@kitty42 (3923)
• United States
4 Apr 10
Hello my friend
I know what you mean, you have to do what works for you, if you ever see me doing something that may cause me trouble please feel free to let me know I will always appreciate your help no matter what the case is, other than that heck with some of these ingrates, makes no sense for people to be so rude/ignorant
Smoochesssss
I know what you mean, you have to do what works for you, if you ever see me doing something that may cause me trouble please feel free to let me know I will always appreciate your help no matter what the case is, other than that heck with some of these ingrates, makes no sense for people to be so rude/ignorant
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@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
5 Apr 10
The newbies will soon change their perception of you for those who are lucky to stay long enough. They will realize that a little pat in the back from you will do more good than just hurt their newbie egos. So just keep on reminding everybody. You are actually doing them a favor.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
hi saphrina sorry I did make a retort and lost my temper which I am ashamed of but was so tired of being made fun of because I am no'
longer young,as though all people past sixty should just curl up and die as one young person here once said. then I reported the person, butit did not make me feel any better. from now one unless someone pleads with me for any adice or help, no no more.
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@saphrina (31551)
• South Africa
4 Apr 10
Sweetie, never apologize. And i am glad you lost your temper. Something has to give eventually. And i never want to hear you say that about your age, okay. They have to remember without all of you here who help us to stay out of trouble, they would have been gone the first day they came to mylot. Now, smile and enjoy yourself.
And if this happens again,
call me. I need something like this to keep me on my toes. Enjoy. TATA.1 person likes this

@fwidman (11514)
• United States
3 Apr 10
Hi, Hatley :) If they ask for help I try to give them help. Whether they take my advice or not is up to them, I really don't care. If they grumble about what I say, oh well, I tried. I would just shrug my shoulders and move forward
Would I continue to try and help others that asked? Yes, I would 
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
3 Apr 10
hi fwidman I did do that for a long time, but this one user'
really did get to me, using that old saw about old women
blah blah, well now I cannot really help the fact that
I am elderly and I do fail to see what that had to do
with'anything butif asked in a pleasant way I will
again offer help.
again offer help.
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
hi fwidman I think he was looking in my profile and sought to anger and humilate me by focussing on my age and how he or she has to respect me otherwise the way he or she worded they would have gave me a poke on t he nose or something. I no longer care,over and done with, moving on so to speak. I never worry about the age of other users really.

@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
6 Apr 10
The thing that is really difficult to discern is those people that really do want to learn the ropes and those that don't really want any help. I've learned this is the case not just on mylot, but on many other things as well. What I've found that works out for me is to wait until someone asks me for help. When they ask for help, then I feel like I'm not being a bossy ninny. I know that you offer the best advice that there is to receive since you are the most active mylotter ever and you offer the best advice, but there are a lot of people that really don't care.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Apr 10
hi dorannmwin yes it really is the best as so manytimes even if
one doesnt mean too you come off sounding bossy and pushy.well after all you gave advice when it was not asked. some people just do not like that
at all.and some really dont care even when griping about having their discussions deleted. Sad but true
@bounce58 (17380)
• Canada
5 Apr 10
I've had the same feelings, damn if you do, damn if you don't!
I feel that as a relative newbie here, I should have the obligation to help the new-newbies. But, like you said sometimes you get 'scolded'.
So, I've learned to let it be. I've come to realize that for a newbie to really like the site, they'd have to go through their own myLot growth. With or without my help! Plus, it is easier if I just stayed away.
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 10
hi bounce yes its so much easier and they either can sink or learn
to swim. if they really want to continue here they will have to
start making discussions that do not get deleted so it is really
up to them as if they like the site they will get motivated to read the info they need.


@13tyates (1606)
• United States
3 Apr 10
I am sorry to hear you say that! I am so thankful for you and many of the others that have been here for a long time! If it were not for you there would be a lot of things I would not know how to do! Please understand that even though some are being mean and rude there are still those that really apperciate the help! I am one of those so please continue to help! Just remember that you are still helping many even though there are those that are rude! Happy Mylotting!
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
3 Apr 10
thanks 13tyates I am so glad to hear that, and yes I will continue
to help for anyonewho wants it. Just struck me the wrong way
then too I was not feeling all that great today. Live and learn
I guess. Happy Easter. good luck God bless.
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 10
hi again all done ranting, now to enjoy Easter Happy Easter and Happy mylotting too. 



@Auntiescarf (842)
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3 Apr 10
Im a newbie here, and I have been given some tips by people who have figured out that Im new, Im thankful for any tips, but wont ask for them as I realise that its my responsibility to read all the guidelines, FAQs ect, and I know that discussions can get deleted and wouldnt want anyone to lose out because of me. Right now I just reply to discussions because Im treating this place like I would any forum, I always spend some time replying first because I think its a bit cheeky to just appear and post loads of topics, so I'll be replying for a bit longer before I post my own! I would just ignore that person who said that to you, they will be the one losing out!
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
3 Apr 10
hi auntie you really have the right idea, and thats so great as you
will get along well, and will really enjoy mylotting too, I really'do love mylot myself as I am retired and its filled my empty retirement
up so I have something to look forward to every day. good luck and
God bless. happymylotting and welcome there.
















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