Conjugal rights
By SViswan
@SViswan (12051)
India
April 5, 2010 3:26am CST
A couple convicted of abducting and killing an adolescent boy has sought conjugal rights within jail premises to have children. The woman is serving life sentence and the husband has been sentenced to death in the same case. The husband is the only son of his parents and the couple has sought permission to live together in the jail for the sole purpose of procreation so that the family lineage would be continued.
What's your opinion? Is it right to bring a child into this world who might follow into the parents' footsteps and take to crime or do the petitioners have the right to life (which includes the right to propagate the species)?
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14 responses
@dpk262006 (58679)
• Delhi, India
5 Apr 10
Hello SV!
How are you doing.
I am not aware about the legal position or exact laws of the land applicable in this particular case. But as a lay man, I would say that if the couple is demanding that they be allowed conjugal rights in the jail, their case could be looked sympathetically and on humanitarian grounds and they could be granted such rights. Besides, legal position, the rules applicable as per Jail Manual will also have to be looked into. In case the concerned Court gives ruling in their favor and the Jail Manual/rules do not permit such 'union', they may not be able to get their will fulfilled of bearing children.
have a great day!
Deepak
How are you doing.
I am not aware about the legal position or exact laws of the land applicable in this particular case. But as a lay man, I would say that if the couple is demanding that they be allowed conjugal rights in the jail, their case could be looked sympathetically and on humanitarian grounds and they could be granted such rights. Besides, legal position, the rules applicable as per Jail Manual will also have to be looked into. In case the concerned Court gives ruling in their favor and the Jail Manual/rules do not permit such 'union', they may not be able to get their will fulfilled of bearing children.
have a great day!
Deepak@SViswan (12051)
• India
6 Apr 10
There is no exact law as of now. The petition will be taken up for the next hearing on May 24. I'm not sure about the humanitarian grounds...these people killed the child of other people...what right do they have to beget a child? And seeing the kind of genes this child is going to be born with, even if the child will be well taken care of, what guarantee that he/she might not be a threat to society later?
Quoting examples from other countries, their lawyer contended that the experiment of granting conjugal rights in these countries had been sucessful.
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@dpk262006 (58679)
• Delhi, India
6 Apr 10
Your points are very valid that if they bear a child he may be a threat to th society. However, I am not aware whether they are hardened criminals (they both) or they just did it (i.e. killed the other child) once. Let us wait for the next hearing. (Please keep me update about this case).
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
5 Apr 10
Hi SV
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They abducted and killed a boy
and in my opinion they deserved the punishment. I don’t feel any sympathy on them to produce more culprits in the world. May be I am rude, but think about the parents of that boy they killed
. They have the rights too to bringing up their child.........
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They abducted and killed a boy
and in my opinion they deserved the punishment. I don’t feel any sympathy on them to produce more culprits in the world. May be I am rude, but think about the parents of that boy they killed
. They have the rights too to bringing up their child.........2 people like this

@SViswan (12051)
• India
6 Apr 10
Exactly how I feel too. Though I am all for people's rights and all that stuff...I wonder if these people have the right to even bring a child into this world ...who no.1 has all the chances of turning out like the parents and being a threat to society in a few years' time (of course, it could be the opposite too...but why take a chance in a case like this one?) and no.2 like you pointed out...what right do they have to beget a child when they were the reason for another set of parents to lose their child? We don't even know if that was an only child (not that it matters even if he wasn't). Don't they have the right to have their child....one that these people have cruelly done away with!
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@sid556 (30953)
• United States
17 Apr 10
I would not assume that the child would be like the parents but who is going to raise and support that child? I don't think genetics have much to do with it. I think it is all in how they child is raised. Hey, Charles Manson had children that were raised by others and their idenity was hidden. It would be interesting to know how these kids turned out. Those were kids that were born prior to the parents going to jail. Why would we let them have this time while in jail?
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@smacksman (6053)
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5 Apr 10
Why should they have the pleasure of company after what they have done? Madness!
Ok, to keep the Human Rights lobby happy let them see each other for conjugal rights, but only after they have both been steralised. Who in their right minds would want those genes continued?
@SViswan (12051)
• India
6 Apr 10
Uh-oh...what they want is a progeny...which won't happen if they are sterilised, would it? Of course, it would also be an excuse to see each other...who knows. But their counsel submitted that the couple could be separated the day the woman's pregnancy was confirmed. And they did specify that they wanted to beget a child before the man was hanged. According to their plea, propagation of progeny is ingrained in the fundamental right to life. "They have sought permission to live together in the jail for the sole purpose of procreation so that their family lineage could be continued".
@smacksman (6053)
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6 Apr 10
After what they did they have voided any of their human rights as they have proved by their actions they are less than human.
If the law does not allow for them to be put down ( which would have been the best option for society) then the next best thing would be to steralise/castrate the couple.
Sorry, no sympathy for them at all.

@sid556 (30953)
• United States
17 Apr 10
Hi SViswan,
I don't know about the child following the parent's footsteps and I wouldn't care. What I would care about is them procreating while in jail and for the crimes that landed them there. No they should not be allowed to procreate while in jail. How in the world could they possibly parent such a child from the jail? We all would be paying for that child. Beyond all that what kind of legacy would that leave a child born of such a union? That poor kid. Why would we allow this to happen? It is bad enough that we pay for these people that are incarcerated. Why would anyone be ok with them procreating?
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@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
6 Apr 10
I'm not sure what the law allows in cases like this; but I don't believe the child would necessarily become a criminal just because his/her parents were. I don't believe people are born good or bad. I think we teach them or condition them to be as they become.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
17 Apr 10
Though I agree that a child will not necessarily become a criminal (nature vs nurture theory is still being debated), I don't believe in having a child just to continue the family line. By the same logic you mentioned, the couple were raised by their parents ...who would be the ones taking care of the child if it is allowed to be born. Wouldn't the conditions that they raise the child be the same as the conditions they raised the parents in? And if that's the case, then wouldn't there be higher chances of the child turning out like the parents?
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
17 Apr 10
One would hope the grandparents would have learned from their mistakes, especially if their offsprings are in prison. Also, if the state deems the grandparents to be unfit, wouldn't the children be placed in foster care?
@bulastika (5966)
• Philippines
6 Apr 10
I don't think they have any right at all.
First who will going to raise a child?
Second its another crime. This time for the child.
That child will grow up alone. No mom no dad.
I think if they are worried of their money.
Then they don't care about the child but the money they will left behind.
If they want they can give the money to me.
@GardenGerty (169568)
• United States
5 Apr 10
I would not think so. For one thing, who would care for the child. For another thing, they are being punished. Providing them a chance to live together, even for procreation is not punishment. It is in fact, rewarding them in a way.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
5 Apr 10
The moment they were convicted, they lost their rights to be parents, unless the woman was pregnant before sentecing. It is too bad if the man is the last in the line but thery sholdn't be able to live together in jail, especially if they are in jail Because they killed another.the victim's lover doesn't get to live with their loved one!
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
6 Apr 10
The victim was a 16 year old boy who was abducted for ransom. The boy was administered an overdose of sedatives which killed him. It wasn't mentioned if this was done intentionally or unknowingly. Whatever the case may be, he had a right to live too..and he was someone's son who had lived with them for 16 years and his life was taken away because of the act of this couple. How can they ask for the right to procreate?
@palonghorn (5479)
• United States
6 Apr 10
Well that is one excuse to be given priviledges. In my opinion they gave up their rights when they committed the crime. They should have thought about such issues prior to committing the crime. Not only should they have no rights, but looking at the crime they committed and they want to have a baby? Who would be taking care of this child after it was born, they aren't going to be around to do it. And what would the guardian tell the child, well, your mom and dad committed a hienous crime and had to die for it, but they wanted to have a baby to carry on the family name.
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
6 Apr 10
In Florida, there are no conjugal visits, ever, for anyone, for any reason. Incarceration is for the purpose of keeping people away from society, not helping them create more!
@coffeegurl (1467)
• United States
5 Apr 10
???!!! What country is this news story from? Do U have a link? OMG OMG...!!! I can't imagine that these people would be good parents or that the family line should continue. Maybe they should have thought about playing house before taking someone's son away from them. They shouldn't be able to bring a child into the world, and they would not be good role models.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
6 Apr 10
This is in India and they have not been granted the right yet. The petition is coming up for hearing again on May 24th.
I'll have to look for a link. I read about it in the newspaper a couple of days back. I agree that they have no right to bring a child into this world. It would be another case if the woman was already pregnant...but since that's not the case...they should not be allowed to try and have a baby..that's how I feel.













