Road Manners --- tricky situation i encountered on road. please help me decide.

India
July 23, 2010 10:35pm CST
friends... ... the other night, when I was driving my car at less than normal speeds, due to a silly drizzle, ... i have encountered a strange situation. I know, most of you who are aware of driving on the roads in a car, .. might have been in a similar situation. ... [i] .. just when I was about to get on to a fly-over, .. and, picking up pace, ... there was an old man, tattering and struggling on his bicycle .. faltering into the middle of the road, due to the up gradient. NATURALLY, i had to turn the wheel to the right, .. to avoid him... and, just then, i peered over the rear-view mirror, to find a young man, on his bike, fast rushing towards me, from the right, trying to over-take me at a very fast speed. ... ... and, by that time, i am almost near the old-man. ... now, NATURALLY on the reflex again, .. to avoid being hit by the young man on bike, I should veer and steer to the left, thereby hitting the old man on the cylce.. hard. mind you.. this is on a fly-over .... and, there is no road available to all the three of us, to escape away! .. =----------------------------- NOW, tell me, what should I do ... ? -------------------- tip: that I am writing this now, peacefully, .. means, I avoided that situation, very narrowly! ..and, no casualities.. you can relax, and think and respond please.
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@vandana7 (72960)
• India
24 Jul 10
Just about a month and a half ago, I met with a similar situation. Believe me, I was turning, and I indicated, even with hand, but the motorcyclist was in a rush he went on honking forcing me to come to first gear and full stop. He narrowly missed an accident but I hit the curb. It cost me just 150 or so, but I am not able to regain my confidence.
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• India
24 Jul 10
just a 150? .. vanny darling, you are forgetting the zeros .. even a maruthi costs you more than that, .. or, are you driving a PEP, SCOOTY? ... just imagine! .. it is too hilarious a site to see you there! .. which center, by the way? ... it might be me, driving that bike, .. you did not say, the motorcyclist is young!
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@vandana7 (72960)
• India
24 Jul 10
Ok - imagine me driving - I was in left - down to second gear, indicated,pressed break, and started turning, from behind the person was very far, but there was a vehicle coming from opposite side, so I had to slow down, and this motorcyclist races past me, me forgetting the steering, just controlling the break, the vehicle stutters, press clutch, gear one, but momentum is enough to take it to the curb. There goes the bulb, just the bulb, and a little bit of scratch, but I am too shaken up to do anything with such a close call. Bring the vehicle to neutral, tell dad, take over. The end. Wow, I described it so beautifully. But now, if you ask me to turn anywhere, I am just not confident!
• India
24 Jul 10
oh.. just a bulb then. .. is it a MARUTHI? .. our little friend, SANJAY GANDHI really wanted an INDIAN COMMON MAN's CAR. aaam admi ka ! .. how about coming over to my clinic tomorrow, .. vanny.. in that petty car of yours? .. is it a NANO? ... or a TATA, or a MARUTHI.. please tell us.
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@Hatley (164226)
• Garden Grove, California
24 Jul 10
hi consultrainer you were about to get on the flyover, in which case I am confused, no you are on the flyover. stay in the lane you are and just scrape by the young man on the bike and the old man on his bike. only thing I can think of that would have really happened.
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@Hatley (164226)
• Garden Grove, California
24 Jul 10
I left o ut a sentence. You would slow way down but keep going, the young idiot on the bike would miss you, and you wou ld miss the old man on his bike also.hope this is right;
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@sagar21 (1583)
• India
24 Jul 10
I think slowing down would have helped..but.. one must peer the rear mirrors before moving to sides... so consultT made the mistake..isn't it..?? thanks...
• India
24 Jul 10
Hatley, and Sagar... did you read my answer to rich? .. exactly as you have suggested.. I have slowed down, .. almost braked furiously, to let the old man continue in the lane, and... the young fellow to speed away from my right. .... and passed the old man. it is truly the fault of the old man, to ride the cycle, in the up gradiant, which is very difficult.. and, then, the fault of the young fellow, to over take, at that speed. lucky for them both, i have been very careful, and, had viewed the rear-mirrors, right on time. and did not panic! say cheese! ? ..
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@allknowing (85989)
• India
24 Jul 10
There could not have been be a better alternative than the one you opted for as results themselves show that you took the right decision. Reducing your speed and letting the young man pass was the wisest thing you did as trying to prove who is right and who is wrong at that time could have ended in dire consequences. Congrats!
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• India
24 Jul 10
thanks a million. I am glad to have got the approval, and thumbs up, from allknowing. trying to prove who is right, and who is wrong.. at the time of crisis, would have ended in ACCIDENT... how very true.. i think, this should be remembered by all road-raging drivers.
@suspenseful (40314)
• Canada
24 Jul 10
Whew! I think the only way to avoid an accident is to put your car so the young man would have to move aside. I have no idea how to do that. Have to imagine what was happening at that time. Since the old guy was bicycling in the center of the road, maybe offer him a ride and tell him to put his bicycle in the car, ask him where he is going = that is if your car is big enough, but I do not think you did that.After all, the old man should have been driving on the side of the road not in the middle, so maybe telling him that there are cars coming or there is this young man in the bicycle peddling very fast and he does not want to stop, so keep out of his way.\ Now here is my imagination running away with itself. If you had stopped I bet the young man would have run into the car, and then gone after the old man, knocking himself aside - but then I am a mystery writer. But I would have not known what to do in the situation. How did you avoid it?
• India
24 Jul 10
i honked .. and the old man pushed to the left. i braked, slowing down my car, and, as I said, I am ON a up gradiant, trying to get onto the flyover, I am on 3rd gear, and got down to the first. THE young guy was on a motorcycle, and he obviously, rushed past us, without knocking anyone, or anything. that is all. we passed the situation, without losing tempers.
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@suspenseful (40314)
• Canada
24 Jul 10
I was thinking the kid was on a regular bicycle. A motorcycle would have been different. I am glad that no one was hurt, but seeing someone coming in a motorcycle would have scared the dickens out of me.
• India
24 Jul 10
thanks. again. ..
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@gunagohan (3415)
• India
25 Jul 10
Hey doc !! According to rules of roads, a car should not overtake another vehicle(motor).. If u are supposed to go fast, u should horn the vehicle in front and the front runner will give you the way and then u can rush, but u cannot take over the fron vehicle by coming extremely right.. A car should never take over another car.. In your passage, u have done nothing wrong, if anything have gone wrong in that time, u cannot be blamed...If u have hit the bike, they will first check the gear pattern of the bike, if it was in lower gear(1st or 2nd) the mistake is yours, but u told he was in a pretty high speed, so he must be in 4th or 5th.. So the first one, he is over speeding and he is taking over a car , he is supposed to be booked.. Next the cyclist, Cyclists are supposed to strictly follow the lane rules, they cannot drive in the lanes of cars or bikes.. And u mentioned that cyclist is riding in the middle of the road, it was his mistake to ride in the middle of the road.. Anyhow u had a good presence of mind!!!not making any accident...
• India
26 Jul 10
well, thankyou very much for informing us .. about HOW the case is analysed, if an accident is involved. you seem to be knowing a lot about the ROAD TRANSPORT RULES.. are you some how related with this department? .. just asking Hope my story makes the readers more alert on the roads.
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@gunagohan (3415)
• India
26 Jul 10
No way i have any relations with road transports.. The driving school taught me such theory and rules before getting into practical driving class.. Well , i am an engineering graduate !!!
• India
26 Jul 10
GOD BLESS YOU! .. you seem to be such a smart guy.. I would ask my friends from mylot, .. to find a wonderful girl for you! ..
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@Jotomy (6343)
• India
24 Jul 10
Hi doctor, this is what happening in our Hyderabad, its become common, i don't know when people will educated in this line..... You are very lucky, say thanks to god dear.
• India
24 Jul 10
well, my stars are in my favor.. that day! .. it is near R.K.Puram .. of Neredmet. that dreaded fly-over. I was going from the NEREDMET side into the army area, and .. luckily ... nothing did go wrong. there had been too many accidents on this flyover, and the authorities now, don't even bother to repair the railing, which get damaged after an accident. thanks for the response Jotomy.l
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@Jotomy (6343)
• India
24 Jul 10
True Neredmet cross roads fly over is terrible, defence colony road is okay.
• India
24 Jul 10
hahaha. jotomy, you seem to know this area, .. I met WITH my accident in MARCH.. on this DEFENCE COLONY road, near that BAKERY.. and, broke my leg! .. lols. thanks again.
• India
28 Jul 10
ha ha..seems like you are not a trained driver.Such situations are common in India and one should always be ready to face such situations on Indian roads. You never knows what would happen the next moment on Indian roads. And answer to your situation, i found two scenarios. 1. I'll accelerate hard(even harder than the biker) and overtake that bicycle man to avoid accident and then de-accelerate to allow that biker to overtake me. 2.Would slow down the speed and allow that silly biker to overtake me while i stop/slow down behind the man on bicycle. (Considering you didn't have much broader road to accommodate all the 3 vehicles).
• India
29 Jul 10
trained drivers? .. in INDIA.... how could one train to become a driver? ... I am a licenced driver. ... approved to drive light four wheelers, .. on the INDIAN roads.. is it not enough? /... and, .. yes. ... your FIRST option does not help, as I am too slow, and riding up in the gradient, I told... it is onto a fly-over. and, the second option is what I have taken, and slowed down, sufficiently to allow the speeding biker to over take me, and then, changed tack, and myself overtook the bicycle! ... all in a smooth succession.... without hitting anyone. it is such a narrow bridge! .. so, could not accommodate all the three of us.
• India
29 Jul 10
ha ha...licensed driver....friend do you know that if you have rs. 1500-2000 in your pocket..then you can actually have a driving license in your hand within an hour.. This happen only in India....lol...
• India
29 Jul 10
power corrupts? .. lols.
• Malaysia
24 Jul 10
i've been in a situation almost similar to that.. if i were you and there was no car behind me, i would most probably jam the breaks and avoid skidding. but if i really had no choice, i'd try and 'nudge' the motorcyclist a little...my justification is that the motorcyclist has at least more protection for his vulnerable head compared to the cyclist. kind of like choosing the lesser of two evils..
@Jotomy (6343)
• India
24 Jul 10
• India
24 Jul 10
but, mario.. in that split second, do you have the presence to choose? .. i don't think so. all you will do is, try to avoid YOUR OWN involvement, .. in either of the accident. and, I was lucky that there is none behind, and the young motorcyclist is racing from far right, .. (this is india, and, we use the right lane to overtake.) ..
• Malaysia
24 Jul 10
to be honest consultrainer, yes, i would usually be able to make a quick judgment within those few seconds.. being a fast driver (with proper training, of course) would require the development of competencies to be able to make such decisions immediately and avoid major high-speed mishaps. this is not something that can simply be learned overnight, it is something that does require a bit of practice and conditioning. the key factor for the driver would be 'a sound situational awareness'. which is something that is usually trained to those who are interested in race car driving, and high-speed driving. subsequently, sound knowledge of the vehicle's capabilities & limitations and familiarity to road conditions are also very very important. condition of tires, familiarity with breaking procedures, familiarity with the road currently being used (are there potholes? blind corners ahead? accident prone stretches?). with some basic training and some good conditioning, all those factors will always be at the back of a driver's mind. and used automatically in almost every decision that is made while driving...from overtaking, to taking a fast corner, to breaking in an emergency and such. it isn't something that anyone should assume is easy without the advice of a properly experienced sports driving trainer.. the few things that usually upset this thought process are: distractions to the driver, panic attack, inattentive driving on the part of the driver and over where i stay, we overtake on the right side too
@zed_k4 (17624)
• Singapore
25 Jul 10
Hi consultrainer, glad that you were alright. The hazards of cycling on the road cannot be stressed enough. When on the road, I see lots of cyclists (not all adhere to the road safety rules), and this fact alone can stress out motorists and drivers for sure. It's a tricky situation, and due to their carelessness, anything can happen. Sometimes, adhering to the speed limit alone is not enough. We need to have eyes front and back.
• India
25 Jul 10
how true!... it is just not enough to keep yourself, within the limits of speed, and merely following the rule-book. .. the other drivers, and other people around also should be following, and if they are not, you too will be involved in the accident. so, as you said, .. one should be careful, with eyes in the front and back, and sides too
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• India
3 Aug 10
i think, the government should stop taxing us on the road.. as they forgot to exercise any control over this unruly drivers. .. thanks for your support zed.
@Cutie18f (9560)
• Philippines
24 Jul 10
Now that is hard. The best way is to slow down so the impact of any accident if it comes to that won't be so hard. If I were in that case I'd probably go very slow or if there are no other 4-wheel vehicles, I'd probably stop.
• India
25 Jul 10
well, I have done the same. If you could read my tip, .. you would understand that. And, I have already mentioned what I have done, to escape in RICH's comment .. of the first box. thanks cutie.. you are so cute, and wonderful .. on the road too. please remember ... not to get into a rage, when on road. please!
@ellie333 (21018)
24 Jul 10
Hi Constrainer, I have alreay read in previous responses that you slowed down which is what I would have also done in this situation too. I am pleased that no one was injured. I am very bike aware so would have just let the idiot overtake saving the old man bless struggling in those awful weather conditions. My own daughter was a passenger today and involved in an car accident where luckily no one was hurt but it still shook her up bless. Huggles. Ellie :D
• India
25 Jul 10
thanks.. for supporting what I have done. i am glad too that none is hurt, other than the pride and emotions, in your own accident. May everyone on the road follow the rules, and be friendly. instead of just rushing off.
@savypat (20245)
• United States
24 Jul 10
I don't know what a fly-over is but I would have stopped and allowed both riders to sort it out. To continue would only have confused the issue for all involved. And you being in the car were the most dangerous hazard.
• India
24 Jul 10
it is a road-over-rail .. bridge. .. i was in the middle of both the riders. and, thanks.. I wanted to remind all about the dangers of road rage.
@sagar21 (1583)
• India
24 Jul 10
WOW.. Great Effort... I think nowadays...we must learn extra vehicle maneuvering skills to drive on busy roads.. I daily encounter such situations...such rush and careless traffic we have... thanks for sharing.. have a great day/night...
• India
24 Jul 10
thanks sagar, but, if you have read my response to Rich, .. I have told there that I was very careful, to keep my eyes on the road, from all sides, including the traffic coming from my rear... and so, the young guy on the bike got saved. thanks for the response,.