Putting illegal immigration into perspective

Maybe we should have everyone who supports amnesty sand give them a family to be responsible for. Then see how they like it, no government programs just your money supporting them until they can get a legal job.

I couldn't agreee with you more. Of course, since these people are here "illegally" they will not be able to get a "legal job" for a very long time; but, then some rich people are already doing this anyway by giving illegal immigrants good paying jobs even though it is illegal to hire them in the first place. (not all illegal workers are in minimum wage or sub-minimum wage jobs - many receive good pay)

They should be able to; but, some will see it as a case of the little guy (illegal alien) vs the big guy (rich Suns owners).

speakeasy - I understand what you are saying. In my career to get advancement I went back to school twice(and paid my way no government grants, once while I was working full time) and move 7 time to get a better job. I have very little time for people who say I can't work there are no jobs here. then pack your bags and move to the job.

"but what's so bad about wanting a better life? That's what I don't get." - and that is the problem - YOU don't get it. As a US citizen, there have been times when I also wanted "a better life", but, I did not cross over illegally into Canada (free health care and a lower cost of living) to get it. I came from a very poor family here in the US. There were few to no jobs in my town or in the surrounding area and most people were either poor or lower middle class. To get out of this situation, I joined the US military (I did not illegally migrate to another country). This did get me out of the situation I grew up in and let me see some of the other options available to me. When I got out of the military, jobs in the area I was in were scarce; so my husband and I moved to a state four states away where there were more opportunities. (We did not illegally migrate to another country.) Later on, my husband had a low paying job and I was having trouble finding work. I took a crash course (completed 6 months of education in just 2 months) and got myself a better paying job. (We did not migrate to another country illegally.) A decade later my job (and job opportunities in that career field) were disappearing. So, I went looking for a different type of job; something I had never tried before and that would train me while I worked. (I did not go into another country illegally). Right now, I have been notified that I will lose my job in 7 months unless I wish to move with the company. I have to decide whether to follow my company to another state or do something to make my skills more marketable in this weak economy. (But, I am not planning to move to another country illegally.) Mexico is a huge country with many opportunities IF people will take advantage of them. (Did you know that Mexico actually has a problem with illegal immigrants coming over their southern border to work in Mexico?) They have a lot of different states and climates. They can move freely from one Mexican State to another; so, they can go to areas where more work is available. There are international companies that will provide micro-loans to people in countries like Mexico to help them start their own businesses to improve both thier lives and their communities. They do have a military that they can join. If they can get Internet access, they can improve their education without having to be able to attend an actual university and in many cases the information is FREE. If they would take advantage of what is available in their own country, they could actually make their country a better place to live for themselves and their families. Yes, we need to strengthen our borders to keep illegal border crossers out; but, once that is done, we also need to decide what to do with the illegal immigrants that are already here; AND, many of them do NOT want to become US citizens - they only want to work here, send US dollars home and then return to their home countries themselves!

"they should come her legally and pay their way like everyone else." - that is why I get very angry when people say laws like AZ are "anti-immigrant" when they are actually "anti-illegal". Many people do not realize it, but, AZ has a lot of legal immigrants who live and work here that are not from "South of the Border". I live in a small city and we have legal immigrants from Germany, France, Viet Nam, Australia, Canada, Pakistan, and England; as well as LEGAL immigrants from "South of the Border". Across the state we have many more legal immigrants from even more countries. But, the ones who are here illegally are the ones causing the problems. "Taking care of all those illegal immigrants is one of the reasons that California is broke." - Just a few days ago, the CA governor declared a state of "fiscal ememrgency". Government workers who provide all those services and benefits are having their hours (and, wages) cut. People in need of services are finding it more and more difficult to receive those services. Soon, this state will collapse under the weight of the all "entitlements" and the rest of the US will have to try to pick up the pieces.

A lot of times a simple analogy can be more effective than stacks of facts and figures.

"there might be some bad seed but most of them are hard workers" - and most of America recognizes this. The problem is that you cannot let the "hard workers" come in illegally without the "bad seeds" coming in the same way. That is why most Americans want the borders closed down to stop illegal entry. Until that is done, they will be against ALL of the illegal aliens who are currently in the US. IF we can get the borders shut down putting a halt to this invasion; THEN, we can worry about sorting the "bad seeds" from the "hard workers" who are still in the country. And, then, we can change immigration policies to allow more "hard workers" entry while keeping out the "bad seeds". But, until the day comes when people cannot enter the US illegally; one of the main deterrants we have is to make life so hazardous and unrewarding that illegal aliens leave the country voluntarily or don't even bother to attempt to come here in the first place.

And, that is what AZ's law was trying to do - make everyone show their "ticket", so that those who "did not pay" could be "ejected" from the game and not be eligible for benefits they did not pay for. But, that part of the law has now been put on hold until at least November when the appeal will be heard. When I was younger, I was stopped on a routine stop by police and I had left my drivers license home on my dresser. I had to go to court to prove to the judge that I did have a valid drivers license and explain why I did not have it with me when I was driving a vehicle. No matter who you are, there are certain documents everyone is supposed to keep within easy reach. Federal law states that if a person is a citizen of another country, they must carry proof that they are allowed to be in this country - visa, passport, green card, etc.; so, AZ was just asking them to show that they are in compliance with the federal law.