Should there be any problem in converting people to your ideology?

India
August 3, 2010 3:35am CST
In one way or the other we all get converted or try to convert people. We teach how to eat or read or play or think or solve sum etc. and this comes about because we were first taught. And this is all part of conversion. So conversion of change of perception or way of thinking or lifestyle or all of this. So I wonder why anyone would have objection in converting people whether it's political or religious or intellectual or anything else specially if the person is grown up. What do you think?
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7 responses
• Australia
3 Aug 10
As long as the person was willing to be taught or converted I can't see that it would be a problem but when the opinion or whatever is being put to the other person as the only right opinion then I think that would be wrong and that maybe they should rethink their own devotion.
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• Australia
4 Aug 10
But would it not be better to give them the facts of the new idea and let them draw their own conclusions rather than forcing them to accept something that may not agree with their own values. I think society as a whole would benefit more from lessons learned than lessons forced.
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@aidorm (16)
3 Aug 10
Even if an ideology is to be forced on him still it is right as long as the society will benefit on the process.
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• India
4 Aug 10
I think as the society debates and discusses ideas people normally choose for the right and better one. Unless one is mad we don't reject ideas which are rational and good. But ideological discourses are not simple; there are other factors that shape ideological movements. But whatever I am of the view that conversion must be brought about through debates and discussions in public square.
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@diogz22 (516)
• Philippines
4 Aug 10
Conversion is in one way altering one's state of mind into another which would eventually affect someone's being. Like that of the movie inception, If you want someone to convert people to your ideology you must go to his sub conscious mind to change or implant what ideology you want to impart. But nonetheless all people have different views and have the right in what they chose to believe. You will have definitely a big problem in convincing other people to your ideology.
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• India
4 Aug 10
Sometimes it's easy, I would say, to convert people to my ideology if the other person sees the rationale behind my position. The rationale, however, could be misguided one too. Sometime it could be the right one; other times it could be because we have not really seen the bigger picture and so we thought we are in the right tract when we actually are not. But unless there is this provision for people to convert and change position people will not learn. Freedom of ideas include freedom to choose or reject an idea as the person see fit when ideas are debated in public square. To stifle such debate because we are scared of conversion is, I think, unfortunate.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
11 Sep 10
I think you are very wrong. Teaching children the basic necessities in order to survive has nothing to do with converting. Converting is trying to change what you have learned. No-one has any right to try to convert people. People have the freedom to change if they want to. That is their birth right. But forcing them to change is regarded as an act of war.
• India
14 Sep 10
But I never mentioned about forcefully changing other opinion. Teaching children is one thing; but what about teaching adult? After all adults also need to be taught and therefore change in different areas of life. Don't they?
• India
15 Sep 10
I think if conversion is through deception then it's bad. But I think the word 'conversion' has both negative and positive connotation. Deceptive scheming is negative but teaching without imposing one's opinion is positive conversion. Regarding religion being the biggest offender, I am not sure if I could agree. There is definitely conversion in religious life, but I have my doubt if it's deception. I thought so because the devotees may be honestly wrong about their belief. But if that's the case then their conversion activities should not be termed as deception because they just did not know. Deception is knowingly deceiving others, I guess. I think in religion they share their belief to others thinking their opinion is right. Whether it's actually right or otherwise is totally a different matter though!
@babyEj (1522)
• Philippines
4 Aug 10
Conversion is subjective to the character of people. Take a look at the countries who is said to be conservative. It isn't that easy for them to embrace change. And even large number of people wholly embrace the change but still you may find a corner of people hinder themselves to join the population. Example , the country of South Korea. South Korea's government is trying to open their every single aspect of industry such as education to embrace change. Though this country said to be now a promising one but you may find some people not adoptive to use the English language. It's not because it's difficult but they don't like to.
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• India
4 Aug 10
It's quite possible that there are more of this kind. It's rather good, however, that there is a possibility for people to choose. I would be sad if people are forced to remain as they are or rather forced to choose change. I think the choice should be left open. And once that choice is made possible people will convert!
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3 Aug 10
conversion is a topic that is best left untouched. each perosn has their own view and therefore it is entirely upto people themselves if they wish to change their philosophical views. you can tell people about your religious, political, etc views but you cannot insist and force them to follow yours. i love greek mythology the gods and all that but i dont go around askking people to follow and believe in it. the one thing you can do is share your views with people should they opt to follow it and find it fascinating is another thing.
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• India
3 Aug 10
I agree that forceful conversion of any political, religious, philosophical etc view should never be done. But whether one intends to convert or not, debate and persuasion of each other has to be there. I thought so because unless one does that there would not be intellectual growth.
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@MrShaunB (12)
4 Aug 10
Conversation is a vital part of growth and understanding. If the result of sharing information results in the conversion of a person's beliefs and understandings then so be it. However, ideas should never be imposed in the sense that it is a form of violence. A person should be allowed the space and opportunity to reject or accept the information being passed unto them, whether it be truth or not. I do believe there is only one truth and what most consider ideology may be subjective and without any merit whatsoever.
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• India
4 Aug 10
We agree to a great extent. And we should continue to provide and protect platform where people can freely debate on ideas, whatever kind of idea it is. Be it political, religious, economic, social etc and whatever people choose to opt for they should be given the choice. That's what freedom is.
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@vandana7 (99096)
• India
3 Aug 10
Headhunter - I do not have any objections to conversions. But I do have objections to leaving something that did have merits. So - it is necessary first to glean all the merits in any concept, be it intellectual, religious, and others, and move to another side, only when nothing more is visible. Let me cite the example of religious conversions. I am a Hindu. I was in boarding schools most of the times, so I have an outsider's perspective about my own religion. Ok? I do have ample to criticise, question, even ridicule in my religion. But remember, I am only focusing on my religion. If faith is all that is needed then I shouldnt question even mine, and move towards salvation. Otherwise, I need to seek god pulling away all the peels of stories, inconsistencies, flaws, etc. By moving to another religion, I am going to do the same - i.e., question various aspects of their religion, and then realize I have only done B.Sc, B.A, and B.Com. Not M.Sc. after B.Sc., and thereafter Ph.D. Got it? Conversions are essentially lateral movements. I'd never say your god is less than mine, but I would definitely like to meet mine because this would be easier way, considering that I grew in this environment.
• India
3 Aug 10
I have a slightly different take here though I have points of agreement with you. I think ideas that are being marketed have all merits. None of the ideas have only demerits. If any idea be it political or philosophical or religious or economic etc have only negative no one would buy it; in fact no mind would even try to conceive such ideology where only demerits and negative ideas are there. Ideologies are generally mixed. And we choose the one that has more of good ideas. Regarding religious ideas it's not like one has B.Sc and the other is about B.Com. It's B.Sc vis-a-vis B.Sc, because all religious ideas try to answer similar kind of human experiences and questions. The issue which syllabus offer better answer. And it's not that one syllabus has all the correct answers and other one all wrong ones. For example, Islam will not say that it has all the right answers and other religions have all the wrong answers. It will say that it has all the right answers, but other religions also have many right answers but not all. That's the way Christianity also says. For example, one religious says there is no God, whereas other one affirms it. So the point here is which one is right. Both cannot be true here. But both of them may teach love and kindness etc. It's just that at one point one will be wrong.
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@vandana7 (99096)
• India
4 Aug 10
You've brought a very crucial point to table aidorm. We shouldnt have herd mentality. We should be dynamic in accepting and rejecting, thereby moving ahead, rather than accept things imposed on us by force, fear, or faith. Whatever we accept should be accepted because of reason and merits. There is another aspect to this, what may seem good today, may seem terribly odd a few 100 years later. So there is nothing wrong and there is nothing right, in true sense of word. Time, context, and the person's frame of mine change the right and wrong. So I think it is nice to have diverse natures, because something that strikes another person, may not strike me. I shouldnt get away with imposing my way of thinking because of my ego. :)
@aidorm (16)
3 Aug 10
Sometimes ideologies doesn't come out right. There are times where some people's conception of a certain fact or issue isn't usually right. For example, the Ideology of Hilter in cleansing the world from the Jew. No matter how we twist his ideology it is still blatantly wrong and even if we look it at every angle, still it will not be ok. That's why we can not make a conclusion that no single idea is wrong. There are ideas out there which do not have any value or relevance in our society. Thus, it is safe to conclude that it is only right for some people be converted to another Ideology.