Gangster politics in Washington
By speakeasy
@speakeasy (4171)
United States
September 13, 2010 5:48pm CST
During Obama's candidacy and since he entered the White House, there has been a lot of debate concerning how his ties with Chicago politics would affect his adminstration.
Would he and his people resort to the "gangster politics" that Chicago is famouos for (or, should I say infamous for)?
There have been minor incidents in the past where he and/or his staff have threatened the media for comparing what he said to one group of people to what he said to a different group concerning the same topic (they didn't like it when it was pointed out that he was contradicting himself).
When Arizona passed a state law because his administration would not do anything to protect the state from illegal immigrants; he threatened the state, spoke out against them publicly, and brought a lawsuit against them for pointing out that if he wouldn't (or couldn't) do his job the state would try to help out themselves.
Now his administration is threatening people and companies who are telling the truth about the impact of Obamacare. The Secretary of Health and Human Services is saying that they are spreading "misinformation" about a program that even Obama has admitted "needs work" and is "not perfect".
The federal government is threatening their right to freedom of speech and is threatening them with economic sanctions if they do speak out.
Here is a link to what is going on now - http://townhall.com/columnists/MichaelBarone/2010/09/13/gangster_government_stifles_criticism_of_obamacare/page/full/
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@GardenGerty (169489)
• United States
14 Sep 10
There have been other administrations where people suddenly die, or kill themselves. I think some politicians think they can throw their weight around. I do not think the American people are going to put up with it though.
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
14 Sep 10
That is definately true. But, this is a case of the government using government regulations to stifle freedom of speech for entire groups of people/companies; not a case of making an "individual" stop talking.
Neither is right; but, this is much larger in scale.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
14 Sep 10
I'm a little confused, speakeasy. We're supposed to be defending lobbyists for private insurance companies now? Private insurance companies already charge high monthly premiums, require consumers to meet annual deductables in the thousands before benefits kick in, exclude many, cancel others for little or no reason and now they want to raise their premiums in anticipation of increased costs?
I'd tell them the same thing if I were in a position to do so. There should be zero tolerance for this type of misinformation and unjustified rate increases. The private insurance industry is only concerned about the private insurance industry...not the consumer or future consumers.

@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
14 Sep 10
We are supposed to support anyone who tells the truth and then is threatened for doing so; regardless of who they may be and whether we like them or not!
The fact is that -
1) it will cost more to provide preventative care to everyone they insure with no copays or dedcutible; and,
2) it will cost more to insure everyone who applies regardless of any preexisting conditions they may have.
Saying that increased costs will result in higher premiums is pretty obvious; but, they are being threatened for stating facts and that should not be allowed to happen.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
14 Sep 10
The insurance lobby is not exactly telling the truth if you look at the whole story though. Here's more from the Fox News article I linked to above, which you should read, by the way:
[i]According to publicly available profit and loss statements, our nation's largest health care providers such as Humana, Wellpoint, United Health Group, Cigna and Aetna collectively posted a net income of over 12 billion dollars in 2009.
Is it not just a little bit suspicious and beyond coincidence that so many Americans are receiving these letters from separate "independent" health care providers all over the country? The letters are almost identical in content and verbiage.
According to the Consumers Union report, not-for-profit Blue Cross/Blue Shield groups are raising health insurance premiums by as much as double digits to build up their cash reserves -- in some instances to more than three times what states require.
It is no secret that these companies generate substantial investment income from reserves.[/i]
The key points...over 12 BILLION in net income in 2009 alone and they're raising rates in advance to build up their cash reserves that they invest and earn additional "substantial" income from. This is not about honest companies raising rates because they fear going into the red in 2014...it's about dishonest companies using 2014 as an excuse to gouge consumers and rake in as much additional income as they possibly can. They are not telling the truth...they are misleading people and they should be called on it.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
14 Sep 10
So, now they'll make almost $7 billion a year net profit for the next 4 years that they can invest for an even larger yearly return. I don't agree that raising premiums this far in advance in anticipation of increased expenses is ethical or fair to the consumers, no. I also don't believe that misleading the public is right either. We have very strict price gouging laws here in Florida because certain businesses...gas stations, motels, stores...were dramatically raising their prices immediately prior to, during and following a major storm in anticipation of shortages. This was unfair to the consumer and it was outlawed. I'm all for freedom of speech but I'm also a big supporter of consumer protections. There is no valid reason for the insurance industry to raise prices right now and blaming it on future healthcare reform costs just doesn't cut it.

@Adoniah (7512)
• United States
13 Sep 10
I would hate to blame Chicago for the nasty stuff the Big"0" has done in office. I really doubt they had anything to do with it. I do agree that what has been done to Arizona is Criminal. It can be proven that it Was actually against Federal Law and no one has done anything about it. Instead, Obama went to the UN and laid it out to them and said he would abide by their ruling on it. Which is insane of course.
The Healthcare Bill if implemented will eventually put most of the small businesses in the US out of business. Which in turn will destroy our country. It is small businesses that made this country Great...
Shalom~Adoniah
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
14 Sep 10
I am not blaming Chicago for what Obama has done while in office; but, I am blaming Chicago's influence for the way that he has done some of it.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
14 Sep 10
Since Obama is the one who appointed the individuals in his administration; he should have known how they do business. And, the ultimate responsiblilty for their actions rests on him. If he disagreed with what they are doing, he could tell them to stop or if necessary remove them from their positions. By not doing anything, he is endorsing their actions.
A different leader will bring in their own people - with their own problems (or lack of problems),




