Bullying at school.

Harry - The sweetest child I've met!!
@oldchem1 (8132)
October 7, 2010 10:23am CST
My adorable 8 year old grandson Harry (and I am not being biased every single person who meets him says what a lovely, sweet , good mannered child he is - certainly doesn't take after my daughter!!) has been getting bullied at school by the same boy. His mother has written and seen the teacher and nothing was done, Harry's teacher told Harry off for 'telling tales'when the boy kept kicking him, today my daughter got a phone call to pick Harry up from school...the boy who has bullied him for weeks has gone too far and punched him in the face and made one of his adult teeth crooked! The boy has been excluded for three days and may be removed from school. But WHY didn't the school do anything earlier? We always hear that children are told to tell when they are getting bullied and yet when they do they get shouted at? Have you had any experience of bullying - either yourself or your children/grandchildren at school?
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@pastigger (612)
• United States
7 Oct 10
Reading things like this just break my heart as my daughter will be going to preschool next year. I wouldn't send her but she really wants to go. I would hate for her to be bullied as I was. I never told my mom just put up with it and it wasn't too bad. I stood up to a girl in middle school and after that everyone left me alone. I was always one who would stick up for my friends as well. I hope that they do something about this and I would be going to the principal demanding answers about why nothing was done before and why the teacher had such a reaction. That teacher may be due for a break or maybe shouldn't be a teacher. Why would she not believe him he doesn't sound like a child that makes things up. I bet if you grandson would have defended himself he would have been in trouble too. I always her about the zero tollerance policy in schools but it doesn't seem like it is actually followed through with. I think schools do need some more power with these situations. Because you can believe that my daughter does get the occasional spanking if she needs it and guess what she doesn't seemed damaged or lacking any self esteem and she is also not a brat. And emotional girl at times yes but there is not much you can do about that. She has a cold right now so every little thing is upsetting her.
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• United States
7 Oct 10
Zero tolerance is just a catch phrase coined to placate the parents. I have rarely seen a school that truly exercised it. Especially since the so-called "no child left behind" was instigated, they are afraid to expel these kids when, in fact, they need to. When I was a kid, we knew that if we did not behave, expulsion was a real possibility. It's not anymore and I think it needs to be. Too many teachers these days have the attitude that they are there to simply teach a lesson, not maintain discipline. Just like a lot of school bus drivers have the attitude that they are there to drive, not manage the kids. They all need to be fired if they fail to toe the mark! When I drove school bus, my bus was the strictest in the fleet and my kids loved and respected me. They obeyed the rules or they didn't ride my bus. The only trouble I ever had was when my boss retired and the new boss failed to give me the support I needed when I got some really obnoxious high schoolers riding with me. That's when I quit driving. If my original boss had stayed, I would have stayed. I loved that job and I loved working for him!
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@oldchem1 (8132)
8 Oct 10
Try not to worry too much all schools are different. The school my grandson goes to is the one I went to 55 years ago and that all my children went to. It was a small village school and a really good one but new builds, boundary changes etc has really brought it down. One of the reasons why we left the area 6 years ago!
@devijay78 (1573)
• India
7 Oct 10
It was such an awful thing to happen to a small child. And such a sweet child, really! A child who would not even think of hurting others to protect himself is a rare find. But just see if he is scared to do that or just plain good natured. I come from a troubled family where the parents fight all the time and the anger is taken out on the kids sometimes. I was too scared to defend myself in school and even if I did, there was no one to support me. I meant my parents or siblings. But I learnt everything the hard way and now if that happens to my kid, I would go to any extreme to punish those who do it. I would suggest you enroll him in a self defence class so that he might be able to defend himself if needed. I am not saying that he will have to be violent, he would get the confidence to whack the bullies if it comes to the worst part again. There would be bullying everywhere even after he grows up. So teaching him to defend himself, emotionally as well as physically would go a long way in strengthening him. And hope it is nothing serious, the injuries.
@oldchem1 (8132)
8 Oct 10
We're thinking of getting his 6 year old sister to toughen him up -believe me no one would bully her!!! He did used to go to judo with his mum and sister but the class folded! It really is a shame, I know I just sound like the doting granny but he is SO adorable! He sends a lot of school holidays here with me and he knows more of my neighbours than I do! They all love him, most days some one stops me to ask how he isand to tell me taht he is the sweetest child they know!
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
8 Oct 10
Yes I sure have been bullied while in school and it's horrible. It's a BIG reason why I dropped out of school because I couldn't take it anymore. I was bullied by teachers, kids and even the counselor. My parents wouldn't listen to me because I was so shy and scared to stand up for myself out of fear of getting into trouble because the teachers and counselors knew how to out talk me. So please, stand up for your son. He needs you now in a huge way. His teachers need to be put in their place here and now or he needs to be put in another class.
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
8 Oct 10
I'm relieved to hear that. No child should be treated in such a manner.... EVER.
@oldchem1 (8132)
8 Oct 10
Believe me my daughter will NOT take this lying down. She would do anything for her kids, especially little Harry,she'll bemonitoring the situation very carefully.
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• Thailand
8 Oct 10
Please no one take this the wrong way but i think this discipline issue mainly happens in America. I come from Nigeria where bullies exist but have less influence on how others behave towards them. Since I have been going to school i have never actually been bullied, people at times try to make points but if u know how to stand up for what u believe in they shut up and stay away, I know what im saying because of gotten in this kind of mess tons of times. In all the places ive been too there is discipline. Like when i was in Israel i saw a mom discipline her child at the park because she misbehaved, now in America its called child abuse. In a lot of school in Nigeria teachers discipline student to the point that it actually makes no sense at all but they still do it because they are trying to make a point no one ever gets until year later. Your grandson should try acting a little more tougher, he should just watch a bully do whatever they feel like. Bully only go after the kids who have confidence problems, he should pull himself together, im not saying he is allowed to fight but if he stand there with looking like he is afraid any bully will leave him alone. America has no discipline, but if kids start getting home schooled they will miss out and end up being naive about certain things when they are older. School isnt just for to learn things mentally, its also where u get active physically, socially and in others. He shouldnt drop out. U can sue the school if u want to that way they will take cases involving bullies more seriously
• Thailand
9 Oct 10
I didnt know England had disciplinary problems but at times the cane doesnt actually work. There are bad kids who eventually get used to corporal punishment so they dont care what they do. It pretty much depends on the kid and the parent. If the parent cant handle their kid, the school doesnt stand a chance with the kid and other kids remain victims
@oldchem1 (8132)
8 Oct 10
I am not actually in the US I am in England, but you are very right about the discipline problem. Things have got that way that no one can discopline a child properly now!! If these children had the threat of the cane at school should they misbehave they may think twice!!
@jinjer168 (1596)
• Philippines
8 Oct 10
Hello there oldchem1! Im so sorry about your grandson Harry. I just knew how you felt about this because me too experienced how my 6 years old daughter got bullied in school. Being in kinder 2 last year, her classmate punched, pricked and pushed her all the time. I am so sad because I can't defend her inside the classroom and the only way I could extend my help to her is to tell her stories to the teacher. After that, she would always complain about the same stories any more though her teacher separated their seats already. I am so angry that time and said to myself why this things happened. Though that boy is still young, he could always inflict pain to his classmates specially to my daughter who is a very well mannered child. After she graduated with her kinder 2 classes, I removed her to her old public school and transferred her to a private school nearby hoping that she would never encounter the same problem anymore, sad to say, I am wrong and this time her classmate who is also a girl bullied her repeatedly, This morning, I went to their clinic because she told me that her classmate slammed the door to her head that makes her in so much pain. This was the 5th offense of that same girl classmate. This girl punched her, pushed her, throw her food away and slammed her face. I already told this things to her teacher and to the principal but they always say that this things should be leave to them and they will be the one who will look after my daughter. I am so angry because, the mother of this child was so bad mannered that she thinks that her bad child is the one who never do anything to my daughter. This time, I asked for a medical certificate and im really really angry and furious to this mother/daughter tandem because my daughter who didn't know how to fight back is the one who always suffered with their bad acts. Im so dis appointed with the school's personnel because they just pretend that nothing happened as if they never take this problem seriously but i am so worried with my child's welfare because anything could happened without me knowing it because they're inside the school. I didn't really know why there's a parent who kept on denying the bad attitude of her child and instead will said lies just to protect her bad child. I am a parent who is aware by my child's action, if my child is wrong, then I will correct her. I just wished she will also feel what im feeling right now towards my daughter because this is very hard. Do not stop looking after your grandson because not all kids are harmless and innocent, nowadays, there are many young kids who are very matured in doing serious offense. Its just bad that they inflicted trauma and pain to those kids who are good and well mannered. God bless our kids...
@oldchem1 (8132)
8 Oct 10
It is a horrid experience. I went through this with my son who is now 14. He had gone to nursery (preschool/kindergarden) since he was 3 and loved it. When he started school at 5 he was very excited and loved it at first, suddenly he cried everyday when I took him. It turned out that he was getting bullied by another little boy the same age (but tiny compared to Jack), I approached the teacher but nothing seemed to change. One day I was with a friend who had just come back from school and told me that she had seen this child swinging Jack round by his tie. I marched into the classroom and pointed a finger at this boy and said sternly 'Touch him again and I'll kill you!' 'OOh Mrs Wynne' said the teacher 'that is not the way to handle it, we'll deal with it' - 'You've done nothing yet!' I replied. Next day his mother dragged the said boy round to our house, made him apologise and invited Jack for tea - they were best friends and rugby mates after that!!
@jinjer168 (1596)
• Philippines
8 Oct 10
Really? I can't really understand why some parents out there do defend their children in a wrong way. Just like what the mother of the girl who bullied my daughter. Its a good thing that the mother of the boy who bullied your son that time was open minded and let the wrong doings of his child be straightened up. That's exactly what I wanted the mother of that girl who bullied my mother to put into her narrow head. Accept the wrong doings of her daughter and disciplined her child properly. She reacted so violently after I told her what her daughter have done with my child, she never ever admit that her daughter could do those things though this bad child admit it all already. I just know why her daughter's attitude like that, because she's like that as well. I don't mind whether they wanted to keep their bad attitude going in their system, just leave my daughter alone because they've done too much and I'm so angry all the time knowing that my girl is in school and I cannot assure what will happened to her in the hands of this bad girl. I just wish that the school, teacher, the mother daughter tag team in bad actions will all listened and do serious actions about this matter because I don't want my daughter to suffer like this anymore. Good night!
@Memnon (2170)
7 Oct 10
I think that, unfortunately, some schools would rather look the other way, and pretend that a problem does not exist. They don't want the difficulty of dealing with the 'problem' child.
@oldchem1 (8132)
7 Oct 10
Exactly, it seems that the whole family are a 'problem' family - a good clout might help!!!
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@SHAMRACK (8576)
• India
8 Oct 10
Dear friend, During my school days I had faced certain situation. But the school authorities strictly took this matter solved these kinds of acts. I feel it is the school authorities to take care and settle these kinds of matter before it get worse.
@oldchem1 (8132)
8 Oct 10
Sadly are schools now are acting less and less, it is quite a worrying situation!
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
9 Oct 10
I think that teachers and administrators and support staff need to take some classes on bullying and why it occurs - and how to see this behavior while it is still LEADING UP to something. For instance, if you see a kid whispering or poking someone, or you notice that there's one kid in class that people laugh at constantly, then you take those kids aside and ask them what's going on. You separate those kids from each other so they can't continue the behavior, and you can do it at lunch too, making sure the kid(s) causing the problem are not allowed near the kid having a problem ie being kicked or hit or whatever. I don't know why the school didn't do anything earlier, some schools have zero tolerance for any behavior like that, other schools don't. My daughter had an incident yesterday getting into it with a friend of hers at lunch. I wasn't there so I didn't see what happened, but she said they were yelling at each other and kicking each other. Either way, they both got in trouble which I think is fair, considering neither of them should have been yelling at each other or kicking each other lol. I've already told my daughter several things regarding other kids and friends. If they want her to do something she doesn't want to do, she is always free to say no. She is always free to walk away. If they harrass or hassle her, she can again say no or she's not interested, or she can go explain to an adult that she doesn't want to be involved in whatever it is. I want her to know that she NEVER has to listen to another kid if she doesn't feel like it, especially if they are bossing her around or expecting something unfair of her. At the same time, I've told her to be gentle and understanding and compromise with her friends, do what he wants for awhile, then what she wants for awhile, or pick something you both want to do vs something only one of you wants to do. I am not a nice person when it comes to dealing with bullies, I deal harshly with the bully or the instigator, or whoever provoked the situation. I generally do not let the provoker explain anything until they have been punished for their bad decision. I do however believe that eventually, if you have been pushed around or bullied or victimized, you have the right to fight back, and I wouldn't punish someone if they were beat up daily for a week and at the end of the week, they gave the bully a black eye and a bloody nose because they were sick of getting beat up. Consequences for actions, I'm telling you. If someone hit my daughter, I would not be angry if she hit back - although I would be very angry if she hit someone unprovoked FIRST unless it was defense of someone.
@oldchem1 (8132)
10 Oct 10
I have moved away from the area now but the school was one that I attended 55 years ago and that my five children all attended. It was always an excellent school, I think there are several factors in the problems now. 1. The headteacher - to me he is lazy and has the 'anything for a quiet life' approach to his job - he has stopped all the after school sports clubs as he has no interest in sports (he is actually a rather fat slob!!) 2. The British government's changes to ways that we as parents and society in general are allowed (or not) to discipline our children. 3. The building of more estates in the area that has brought in a rather lower class of people with some pretty agressive weays.
@jet2r0cks (190)
• Philippines
8 Oct 10
It seems that schools really don't think bullying is a serious problem and they don't notice that it's getting worse. Back when I was younger, I was bullied all the time but the bullying I experienced then isn't the same as the bullying I keep hearing and reading about now. Whenever my brother and I (my brother was bullied too) would get bullied, all we had to do was tell our parents and they would talk to our teachers, and the teachers would talk to the bullies and their parents, and that would be the end of bullying. These days, blood has to be shed for the bullying to stop and I find that absolutely terrible :(
@oldchem1 (8132)
8 Oct 10
You are I'm afraid correct, the schools just seem to be shying away from trouble
@keshia2007r (2880)
• United States
7 Oct 10
sounds like a civil matter. but if that was the case, everybody would be in court for bullying in schools. but for the bully to damage your grands tooth/teeth. something more needs to be done. thats crazy. i've heard bullying stories, but not from children as young as your grandson. in some instances bullying can lead to a lot of damage. its really to bad to hear about this. i've been picked on growing up. i think we all have. but nothin to this extreme. good luck with all
@oldchem1 (8132)
8 Oct 10
Thank you. It seems that this child is from a 'problem family'and is likely to be moved school. That's fine for Harry but will another kid be on the end of his bullying then?