Is there a precedent for Juan Williams?

@djbtol (5493)
United States
October 22, 2010 11:09am CST
Just this week NPR News has terminated the employment of analyst Juan Williams. In many sources I see people kind of shocked at that since he has a reputation of being a kind and sincere person. So what did he do? In a nutshell, he appeared to be getting too chummy with Fox News. The most recent interview with Bill O'Reily was the last straw. The comment declared most offensive and which earned Juan the name 'bigot', is this: "Look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on a plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themelves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous." Much can be said about the validity of his comment and the subsequent response of NPR. But I have something different on my mind for this discussion. Do you remember in 2008, when obama made reference to to his white grandmother's "fear of black men who passed by her on the street." http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/03/20/did-obama-misrepresent-grandmothers-fear-black-men-street#ixzz136WJVPyL The comment aroused some questions, so obama clarified: In an interview with sports radio 610 WIP in Philly early this morning, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said "the point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, well there's a reaction that's in our experiences that won't go away and can sometimes come out in the wrong way. And that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it." http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-talks-mor.html I see two comments about being afraid of those who are different. One is about black and white, the other about muslim and non-muslim. Were the responses equal and appropriate in both cases?
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@unique16 (1531)
• United States
22 Oct 10
hello djbtol, I think persoanlly the reporters goad these people to speak this way and sometimes when reporters ask the same question over and over the interviewee get frustrated etc.. and say things out frustration. I like Juan Williams at times but I beleive he speak from trueth and from his heart. I do not think he lead astray the public on purpose. I think he was escape goat but I feel he will turn this around for him and his family. Some other radio station will pick him up or media outlet. Thanks and have a great day! Sincerely unqiue16
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
22 Oct 10
Do you feel Juan led people astray? Do you think there was something wrong with what he said?
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
22 Oct 10
Any comment on the obama comparison?
@KeenoT (31)
• United States
22 Oct 10
Juan was making a personal comment that sounded prejudicial. Obviously NPR's standards are higher than FOX's. Obama doesn't work for an impartial news organization...Fox gave Juan a $2 million contract so he's not hurting for anything.
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
22 Oct 10
This is kind of related but unrelated. NPR should not have fired Juan Williams. But this may have a really good ending. One Congressman is going to push legislation to end funding to NPR. While I have no doubt Juan will come out on top, if the end result is no more taxpayer money to the company, then maybe this will have a happy ending at least for taxpayer money. (Of course, Congress will probably send it elsewhere and tout it as a spending cut.)
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
22 Oct 10
Thanks fo your reply. Any thoughts or perspectives on the obama comparison?
• United States
22 Oct 10
It was a pretty close comparison. To tell the truth, I don't remember that particular controversy during President Obama's campaign. I think both fears are completely valid and real. I actually am not critical of the explanation that President Obama gave. (I know some will be shocked.) It most certainly applies to Juan Williams. It is in some ways worse for him because he probably listened to all of the communication that occurred during that time. However, still waiting for President Obama to weigh in on the current one and see what he says. Because you know, at some point he will.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
22 Oct 10
Rev. Jackson said that if he were walking down the street at night and saw a group of blacks following him he would be scared more so than if the group were white. As far as the comments by his grandmother what older person wouldn't feel scared if a group of youths - Black, White, Green or Purple - were following them. My question is why is it wrong for whites to be afraid of blacks but a Black Collage Professor is justified in assaulting a refusing to comply with a white police officer? If it is alright for Blacks to be afraid of whites then why is it not all right for whites to fear Blacks in some situations?
• United States
22 Oct 10
I think Williams should not be called a bigot as he also told Bill O'Reilly..."Williams did go on to tell O'Reilly that he had to be "careful" to stress that he was not talking about all Muslims when he criticized some and that America was not at war with Islam. He also compared blaming all Muslims for the actions of extremists to blaming all Christians for the actions of Timothy McVeigh. (O'Reilly responded that he was "done" being careful.) IMO This is also the same as blaming all Jews for murdering Jesus Christ. I can understand some people being nervous on an aircraft with passengers in full Muslim garb as we have all read about the many attempts made to sabotage air crafts. IMO these attampts are the actions of Terrorists but as it is now political incorrect to mention the word "terrorist" what are we supposed to call these activists of Arabic/Eastern/Islamic hatred.
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
22 Oct 10
You are correct that Juan Williams did clarify quite clearly that he was not talking about all Muslims. Moments before he said those words Juan made this important comment: "I think political correctness can lead to some kind of paralysis where you don't address reality." NPR CEO Vivian Schiller said, and later apologized that Juan Williams should have kept his feelings about Muslims between himself and his psychiatrist or his publicist. It is definitely time for the political correctnes noose to be cut down. What about obama and his grandmother's words?
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
23 Oct 10
Considering what happened in 9/11 I believe that Juan Williams had a right to be nervous. It is not about being afraid of Muslims because they believe in Allah, it is being nervous about someone who is Muslim getting on the plane with you and since they are dressed in a Muslim garb, they could easily hide a weapon in it. Or the baggage man could have hidden the weapons where his companions could find them. With Obama's white grandmother hearing seeing a black person, if she had lived in a rough neighborhood where there were lots of violence committed by blacks or perhaps there was a gym nearby where blacks went into boxing, then she would be right to be nervous. It also could be if Obama's grandmother lived in the South, it might have been that the rich white people often had black men working as bodyguards for them, maybe back from slave days or having blacks trained as fighters. I have no idea of why - I am using my imagination and have not gone through all the theories. I do think that many of the prejudices and bigotries start with some actual event that was not explained properly. The trouble is that while we remember 9/11 and the terrorist attacks, we have no idea what happened to frighten Obama's white grandmother. And we assume is that she is just a bigot. So I believe that Obama intentionally forgot to mention the incidents that frightened the women and it could have been as simple as the ladies seeing a black man going home from the gym after a boxing match.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
22 Oct 10
Even thinking Juan Williams is a bigot over something so personal and so innocent and so vulnerable is just insanity. I think it's obvious NPR has long wanted to ditch Williams, and the fact that this registered as controversial enough was just an excuse. We're human beings. We evolved partly by staying safe. Anything that doesn't strike us as "normal" puts us on alert. And if the image is already planted in your head, then what possible reaction do you have? Do you not think about it at all? Okay, Dexter, try not to get caught by the FBI. Do you tell yourself, "Oh, I musn't think these Muslims are those Muslims, because then I'd be wrong." (Which is essentially 'discriminating' to hear progressives tell it.) Or do you think, "Wow, okay... I really hope these guys decked out in Muslim garb aren't terrorists." What if you're a minority and a white guy with a Confederate flag shirt sits down near you? Do you think about it at all? Okay, buddy, congratulations on being the only person in America not aware of racial issues. Do you think, "Okay, his clothing makes me think he might be a racist, but maybe he's not one of those." Or do you think, "Would you F'n look at this! This a$$hole racist with his rebel flag... ugg!" "But wait," you say? "The Confederate flag has a history of racism!" The flag is only an identifier of the south at that point in history. And not everyone under that flag was a racist. For all someone knows, the person might be a Dukes of Hazzard fan, or just wearing it like some wear Che t-shirts - as fashion without any ill intent. Muslim garb is, unfortunately for good Muslims, one of the only identifiers we have. In all likelihood, any Muslim terrorist--terrorist in general--is going to be assimilated and not in traditional garb at all. But that still doesn't change the fact that our minds do not work to be instinctively "PC." We're a generalizing, discriminating bunch of animals, and the effort has to be made to accept (to the point of instinctively ignoring) what's different if you already recognize it as different. And in this instance, this is something recognized as potentially dangerous. Juan's comment was perfectly acceptable. So I hope NPR, although I say they can fire the guy if they want, is prepared to lose in both the court of law and in the court of public opinion. They'll go away in a few months behind this. Unless, of course, Soros wants to completely fund them.
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
22 Oct 10
Personally, I do not think the comments by Juan Williams were unreasonable or unkind at all. If there had been a Muslim (the good kind) sitting there and he was offended, I might even say that he was being a little hypersensitive. As it is we have a bunch of liberal, Americans running around being hypersensitive about anything that might even suggest the teeniest negative about a Muslim. I think I am going to need a racial profiling toolkit so I can distinguish these groups. Without the ability to distinguish, I might offend. there are Muslims who make bombs and blow things up there are Muslims who pay people to make bombs and blow things up there are Muslims who pray to Allah that other muslims will do all of the above there are Muslims who know people who make bombs and blow things up there are Muslims who concur with the Koran and what must be done with the infidels there are Muslims who understand that there is a jihad in progress against the infidels there are Muslims who have heard about all this jihad stuff, but are more concerned with family, jobs, material things and love there are Muslims who are opposed to the jihad there are Muslims who are openly opposed to the jihad Maybe, there are Muslims that want to be Americans, and are greatful for what American has to offer to them and their families. Now you see why I need some kind of profiling tool.