Mother's love and orphanages...

@vandana7 (98840)
India
November 9, 2010 7:07am CST
I came across this article today - one of the well known physician is starting a unique type of orphanage. He will employ destitute women to give love to 10 orphaned children each. The concept is appealing, but I am not sure that the women would not turn sadistic as managing 10 children who are not own children can be a big deal. I've lived in hostels, and I have been beaten, pinched, and caned quite often by hostel matrons. But may be, I am a rare case. So my question to you all is, do you think it will work? Is it possible to "buy" mother's love?
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@jennyze (7029)
• Indonesia
10 Nov 10
Oh that is a great idea. Helping the children and the women at the same time. But they have to really really test those women before they give them charges on the children. It would be ironic if they turned out to be sadistic. These children need unconditional love. I am sorry to hear about your time living in a hostel. You become the wiser, now.
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@vandana7 (98840)
• India
10 Nov 10
Jen - I am skeptical partly because of the numbers. 10 is just one too many even for the most loving and natural mother to handle. We'll wait and watch. Hopefully, I am wrong. Oh yes, I am smarter. :) And I learnt how to hit back.
@vandana7 (98840)
• India
10 Nov 10
Not physically. :) Verbally. :)
@jennyze (7029)
• Indonesia
11 Nov 10
Yeah, maybe not so much as a mother for 10 children, but ore as a teacher and companion? Ah, that is why you are so witty?
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
10 Nov 10
vandana those women would have to be thoroughly screemed for character and emotional make up as some destitute women might not have an ounce of maternal insight and love.Some would be great as they are kind and loving but how to know which is which? you would have to have really renowned psychiatrists to comb these women's back grounds thoroughly. I do believe you when you tell of hostel matrons. You were not a rare case at all. some women are sadistic and no they do not have any maternal feelings at all. We left our son with one lady who never changed him all the time we were gone. Also she did not feed him the baby food I had sent. He was only six months old.He was cranky and wet and hungry when we picked him up. after that I always let my mom babysit our children as I could trust her always. she spoiled my little ones rotten. I am so glad they thrived when I left hem in her care as she loved her grand kids. I am leery about this as it depends on the kind of women they hire as its great to help destitute women but are they safe to care for orphaned children? the children need someone who will love them and care for them and give stability to their young lives.If the women love children and have some maternal instinct then yes it might work.
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@vandana7 (98840)
• India
11 Nov 10
Hi Hatley - I've been toying with the idea of going to this organization and offering my services. I am not sure as yet. But I feel I will become safe if I go to an organization rather than remain with individuals. An organization like this will obviously get the sympathy of court and the court would be more inclined to give a verdict in favor of the organization and against my relatives, should things come to that.
@vandana7 (98840)
• India
11 Nov 10
Since my life is at stake, I would be inclined to do my duties right, whether I have those maternal instincts or not. My thoughts, as of now. Would love your valuable opinion on this.
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
9 Nov 10
No it is not possible to buy Mothers Love, also what you have experienced should never have happened in my eyes People who take in and look after orphaned or abandoned Children should be totally committed and take care of them love them as that is what they need I hope when he does employ these Women that they will be checked out and made sure they are fit for this and have a Heart
@vandana7 (98840)
• India
10 Nov 10
I hope so too. :) But it is not going to be easy. The project will take off by next July I suppose. Lets wait and see. :)
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
9 Nov 10
It could work if the women are given support - not just money; but, other assistance too. Every mother needs a break now and then. Also, it depends on the ages of the children - in a family, older children help care for the younger children. One woman suddenly getting 10 children to care for can be very overwhelming; and, some women are just not the nurturing type in the first place (some women abuse and kill they children they give birth to). Some destitute women would be drawn to the opportunity simply for the money. I think many of the women would come to care for the children placed in their care; as long as this is a permanent placement and not just a foster situation.
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@vandana7 (98840)
• India
9 Nov 10
Sudden or not, 10 children will always be overwhelming. :) They would need a lot of help. :) And yes, a break off and on. We are looking at creating a natural environmentment for kids. But 10 children... :) That is the best they can afford as of now I suppose. :)
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
10 Nov 10
I have a friend who has 11 children. By the time the youngest was born, the oldest was just starting college; so, she never had more than 10 growing up in her home at any one time. She homeschooled all of her children and never admitted to being overwhelmed; but, she had her husband's support and they had their own parents and siblings to help out on occasion. Some people just seem to have an overabundance of maternal instincts/feelings. Persoanlly, I never could have done what she did; but, she was and still is happy (even though she only has 7 children still at home right now).
@vandana7 (98840)
• India
11 Nov 10
Yeah the big clause there is "some people". And children are her own. I do feel that people who have suffered in life are less inclined to be kinder to others - or less inclined to be considerate to others. This may be because they might be feeling - others had their turn under the sun, it is now theirs may be? Or - if I can come out successfully with so much pain behind me, then why cant this person, or simply jealousy - I never had this beautiful clothes when I was young or never had two square meals when I was young. I could be wrong of course, but I have seen people who've suffered become very selfish. It could just be probabilities.
@ElicBxn (63235)
• United States
10 Nov 10
I would hope that these people would be then supervised by someone else. The old days abuses happened because nobody was watching the watchers...
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@vandana7 (98840)
• India
10 Nov 10
I hope so too. Actually too many people presume that women are loving folks, and would love unconditionally, whatever be the case. That - is so unrealistic!
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@ElicBxn (63235)
• United States
10 Nov 10
very true, actually women are as apt to harm a child because that's the only thing they see as more helpless than themselves.
• United States
12 Nov 10
If the women are doing this for the money, this experiment will not work.
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@vandana7 (98840)
• India
12 Nov 10
You are echoing my sentiments sweetie! :) Welcome to myLot. :)
@eshaan (6188)
• India
9 Nov 10
its good concept..but it will work only if the women concerned are devoted to the work or its very hard to get real love of mother..if the women are very stressed and have their own pains so its very difficult for them to come out of it and give the kids the love that they have lost...nice discussion
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@vandana7 (98840)
• India
9 Nov 10
You wont find women that selfless. :) If they have kids, they will try to steal. :) If they are young, they would want to ... idealistic stuff looks like. But nice to think of, isn't it? :)
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@vijayanths (7877)
• India
10 Nov 10
vannie, yours is definitely not a rare case. It is natural than a woman can't show love to children that are not her own. But something is better than nothing. So this idea is good.You always are in the rare category vannie, rarest of the rares...
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@vandana7 (98840)
• India
10 Nov 10
Vijayanths - thank you for acknowledging the big fact. First and foremost - I am divided on your statement as to women cannot show love to children that are not their own. It is difficult to love a child who has a mother, especially when a woman has children of her own. At least, I believe so. The reason - insecurity. As long as the child's natural mother is around - it is a competition - I have to be better than her - and in that race the actual pleasure of being with the child is lost completely. I've seen that happen oh so many times. Moreover, the mother of the child does not feel grateful! Instead, she always behaves like a sister-in-law, or mother-in-law, constantly finding faults with the way adoptive mother brings up the child. Life can be real hell for adoptive mother with this combo. She could be reduced to be a servant of the woman who supplies the child! But may be these are my misgivings. It may not happen in all cases. In any event, help should go to people who need it. Isn't the need of an orphan more than the need of a child who has one or more parents? I think even if a single parent is alive or working - they can manage to give excellent upbringing, but orphan has no such scope. So any help should essentially go to the orphans. Long ago - I mentioned to one of my colleagues who offered me her daughter (cleverly I must say because daughters can be dowry burden) to adopt a male child instead of trying to have one of her own. Oh no, she didnt want that. But I was labeled selfish because I didn't want to adopt her daughter. :) So you see, women become extremely selfish once they get a child, more so, when they get a girl child. Coming back to our topic, I do think 10 is a big ask. If it were a smaller number, I would be jumping at it. :)
@srganesh (6340)
• India
10 Nov 10
I don't think this is a new idea. I had read a concept like this well before years and in that there will be separate homes inside the orphanage and there will be a woman and two or three kids under her. Thereby they take care of each other and develop a parental relationship. But here, ten children is some what too much for a mother to handle.
@vandana7 (98840)
• India
10 Nov 10
Yeah - the idea is not new to the extent that it is about giving family life to kids, S.O.S :) The only problem is - they are looking at dumping 10 children on destitute - who might have her own tragic past to grapple with. In the process, is she going to spank the kids?
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@cyrus123 (6363)
• United States
10 Nov 10
I don't know. I've never heard of a situation like this. It might or it might not work. Most women love children and babies, though. Since these women are destitute, it might give them something to do.
@vandana7 (98840)
• India
10 Nov 10
Destitute would be fine with one or two - 10!!! I do think this is going to turn out to be a small dormitory, and the so called mother might become the kind of matron I had.
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@shibham (16977)
• India
11 Nov 10
Hi vandie... I think you are the unlucky lady ever who were mistreated by matrons. I don't know where that hostel is situated but have not ever heard about this type of tortures. Anyway, i have seen some moms here who treat their step children as their own child. so in your case those women may love those orphans as their own child. Always it depends on motive. If they feel the loneliness of those kids then enough to love them. have a nice day.
@vandana7 (98840)
• India
11 Nov 10
Hi Shibam, it was in Pilani - the school was good, the hostel was not - rather the matron who was looking after me was terrible. So much so that senior girls (girls who were in seventh or eighth standard started feeling sorry for me, and they used to sneak in wake me up early by 4 am or so, and get me ready by 5 am and make me sleep again so that the old lady never got a chance to spank me. She was always chewing that beetlenut, and though she was neat otherwise, she was very sadistic. I was terrified of her. I had nobody to complain to. Nobody ever visited me and dad was tough to communicate with - fearsome. We used to call her sister, and her assistant was Godibai. That woman used to draw out water from hot drums early in the morning and pour in buckets which we had to carry to the bathroom. We got only half bucket of hot water - I must've been around six - so you do know the size of the bucket. The duo were good at sadistic treatment. Selected candidates. Me, then there was another girl, Sadhana Goswami, and another girl whose name I don't remember but she used to draw vinayaka pictures, and was a Maharashtrian. :) Terrible to hold for childhood memories. I dont blame the management. Even as a grown up I realize that people find it tough to believe that women can be sadistic with other women's children. So management would not have known at all. In retrospect I think it was because we had no visitors to complain to. Others did. Sadhana Goswami's parents were in Tanzania. The Maharashtrian girl's parents were in Maharashtra. So the sadistic women had the field if you know what I mean. I really feel thankful to Aamir Khan for showing that all is not hunky dory in hostels. Your child could be suffering after you pay that kind of fee. And Shibam dont go by the behavior of others. Children with step-mothers or others like me come to accept our fate so we never complain, even when we are ill-treated, until it simply gets too much. Before joining myLot, I would never have believed that there was something called nice step mother in real life. But some friends out here have shaken that myth. So I guess, I believe you. And I agree with you - motive matters.