What does copyright laws have to do with Homeland Security?
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
November 29, 2010 7:40am CST
In yet another show of nothing but contempt for Law and Order as well as the US Constitution, The Department of Homeland Security has decided that they are above both.
Without warrant, court order or due process the have shut down over 70 websites. Without authority to act, they have infringed on the property rights of the owners of these websites.
The people running the websites may or may not be breaking copyright laws, but since when is copyright infringement a matter of national security? On the other hand, Homeland Security Officials violating the Constitution and the law ARE national security issues.
Apparently fighting terrorism has left them bored and looking for something to do.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/homeland-security-shuts-dozens-sites/
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11 responses
@laglen (19759)
• United States
29 Nov 10
I agree it is not really a matter of National Security. However, playing the devils advocate, States really cant do much regarding a website. The internet is much further reaching than a local governments arm. I dont agree with these actions, it scares the hell out of me actually.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Nov 10
Oh, the FBI is completely within their authority to get sites who shut down for federal violations. But it is done through due process, not unilaterally just shutting them down.
They are violating more laws than the people running these sites.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Nov 10
It takes a couple of hours to get a court order. That's no excuse.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
29 Nov 10
What sites were taken down without a court order? Your article says that some were, mine doesn't indicate that any were.

@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Nov 10
So you have no problem with this, but you lie about being against Bush's warrantless wiretaps (that didn't violate any laws). Ok, I see.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
29 Nov 10
Ted, there were warrants and these sites were doing illegal file-sharing.
Among the domains seized were torrent-finder.com and those of three sites that specialized in music: onsmash.com, rapgodfathers.com and dajaz1.com. TorrentFreak, a news blog about BitTorrent — a file-sharing system that has tended to elude the authorities because it is decentralized — said that at least 70 other addresses had been seized, most belonging to sites related to counterfeit clothing, DVDs and other goods.
@jb78000 (15139)
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29 Nov 10
lighten up teddy. i have no idea what you are banging on about now. i don't really care about either - it isn't my country and the government evesdropping on you or shutting down websites are not issues of international importance. you sticking people in boxes again? i have got a box for you if so. you'll like it.

@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
29 Nov 10
Without a warrant, court order, or due process, boy I thought we had this discussion about something else except you were defending the federal government's use of not obtaining a warrant, court order, or due process. So the fourth amendment only applies when you want it to apply is that it? Now we are accusing Homeland Security of violating the Constitution the hypocrisy is so rich.


@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
29 Nov 10
Well I agree with you on that one. When the law becomes a law in itself, it becomes a worry.
The true of the matter is that there are no law governing the internet. So there is no judge in the land which could lawfully issue a warrant or a court order, since they have no judisriction over the internet.
However, they can go after the legitimate businesses. And for the internet to exist at all, it requires two major businesses.
The ISPs, which permits everyone to log on the internet.
In order to exist, the ISPs have to accept the blackmail of governments and filter what people can access on the internet. They also have to provide the identity of any of their customer if the law enforcement ask for it.
The second major one, are the hosting services. You cannot have a website on the internet without a hosting service. Unless you register your own hosting service with the government. The law enforcement tells the hosting service to close a particular website. If the hosting service refuse, they take its licence away, and it is out of business.
So as you see, we are all living under the illusion that the internet belongs to the people. But the government is slowly taking it over.
The hosting service is in the front line of being close down for anyone breaching the rules of the government.
So it pass the responsability on the owner of mylot, and tells mylot that if it does not monitor what its members are saying, it will close the website before the government can knock on its door.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Nov 10
That's not really true though. Copyright and anti scam laws have been enforced for years now Usually through simple things like "take down" orders or law suits. There is no reason to re-invent the wheel every time new technology comes around. There is also no excuse for government to treat it differently.
It does get harder when the websites aren't based in the same country as the perpetrators, but in this case, the websites were run by people in the US.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
29 Nov 10
Although the owners of wikileaks are jerks, they are not committing online piracy, which is what this is really about. It's about stealing someone's music or movie, which others have to pay for.
I forgot to include a link in my response, so I'll put it here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/27/technology/27torrent.html

@bloggeroo (2167)
• Philippines
30 Nov 10
I'm not familiar with U.S. laws, but this may not be a copyright issue. From the perspective of security experts, the internet is a means of communication for their enemies. So, disrupting somebody else's communication seems valid (to them) thing to do. But of course, this is a bit problematic since we live in the information age and there are various channels for communications.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
30 Nov 10
What this issue is about, bloggeroo, is someone owning a website that allows people to download music and movies without the permission of the people who actually own them. It's called stealing...it's called piracy...it costs the record and movie industry millions in lost revenue every year...and it's illegal. An artist/record company has the right to expect payment for the product they produce. Anyone who provides that product to the general public without their consent is a criminal. Since some/many of these servers are located outside of the U.S. and their files are downloaded onto computers inside of the U.S., this falls under the jurisdiction of ICE...specifically the "CE" which stands for Customs Enforcement.
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
30 Nov 10
Another way to say it is what to Recording Industry of America profits have to do with homeland security. As I understand it, this is the latest attempt by RIAA to stop the pirating of media, since other attempts have really not worked.
I wonder if anyone in the Napolitano family is a big time investor in the recording business. Someone is.
obama's government is a run-away government. They will be remembered as being out of control and oblivious to established government precedent and protocol. And, it will all turn out to be for the benfit of obama's liberal friends and harmful to every other American.
@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
30 Nov 10
Still think the biggest threat to our freedom comes from the outside? Our politicians and government has done more damage to the constitution than any terrorist could ever do. Any one who might question whats going on is called a sympathizer or dissident and they wave the flag and the majority of the people fall in line without ever questioning who is waving the flag or if they even care about what freedom means or what motives they might have.
What a waste this generation has become all the countless lives that have been sacrificed for our freedom and we sell it off for a false sense of comfort and safety. There is no justice or freedom when the highest law in the land means nothing now.
@Sourceseeker (1197)
• United States
30 Nov 10
Two sides to this first the copyright Copyright identifies and protects the producer of the document, organization or idea against someone taking their idea or activity and saying it is theirs. If someone does not "wish" to get their documents, organization or ideas copyrighted they may be intentionally trying to hide or omit the origin of their idea, organization
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
29 Nov 10
Copyright laws are a very serious breech. Yes, I tend to place more emphasis on this particular crime. The US Constitution actually protects the copyright of artists.
"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries" from the Powers granted to Congress by the Constitution. http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec9
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
30 Nov 10
Yeah we long past the moment where warrants are needed. I mean look at the Bush Era and you will find a certain NSA thing where they decided. They could listen to your phone conversations, request from your Wireless/Telcom Company any and all records of who you called/texted all without a warrant. As well as the time for due process the Patriot Act got rid of a lot of things. But hey we are all safer now....right?
As for these sites I don't see it is really a part of the DHS's job but then again they don't really have a place with the CIA,NSA, DOD, ICE and any number of other organizations that deal with our national security so can your really blame them for trying to find something worth while. Oh and they also have taken down Limewire recently due to the gross amount of violations that this precise of software was being used for but that was done with a court order.
As for sites being taken down due to copyright violations they just need to fall under 2 categories in the DMCA to be safe from being taken down. Also the Pirate Bay is still up as well it is one of the few torrent sites that have been able to handle this issues as when ever it goes down it always comes right back up. So I wouldn't worry to much you will be able to still break copyright laws if you so choose to steal from the artist.




. i think bored and mean-spirited is the phrase you are looking for.




