your dream country already exists
By jb78000
@jb78000 (15139)
December 5, 2010 5:47am CST
stop fretting. want an ogliarchy where money rules and the poor are left to lump it? try the former soviet union. not hard to get a residencial visa there. want somewhere where religious values are taken into account? yep, there are loads of theocracies just waiting for you. mainly in the middle east. want both? try saudi arabia. don't know why people bother to try and change their own country into something like this when it would be so much easier to emigrate.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Dec 10
jb ye old blue bunny Merry christmas. I sure do not want to move into those countries. I love our free America to much, I already live
in the best state in the best country in the world. The USA
so laugh if you will but I am happy where I am. No bombx.
only in Santa Ana they have drive by shooting courtesy of our'
wondrful illegal aliens who have taken over the city.Here in
garden Grove Ca in the midst of Little Saigon Ihave the best
'neighbors they are the boat people who fled Vietnam and landed here to make a new home for themselves. they are very polite, very kind and also no old Vietnamese goes to a nursing home or retirement center, why?'because they do respect their elderlies and keep them in their own homes instead. they actually respect o lder people, which is refreshing to me.Oddly the only time you see a police car on our street is when they come to report on a missing resident from Gold Crest. no we here in the US seem to think older people like kids are best seen, but not heard. but its funny that they too will become old one day and rue the time they did not spend with their own aged parents. what comes around will come around, and those who want nothing to do with old people will be very lonely old people themselves as the kids will not bother to see them. they shudder at the idea of going into a nursing home or even a retirement center. ugh all those old people.So they send cards or money when all elderly people want is their own families. I am so very lucky to have the best son in the world myself.
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@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
6 Dec 10
That's what I feel is happening to the USA. Our leaders have decided to follow the ruptured yellow brick road of Europe even though they now see rioting in the streets because the cradle to grave care is not sustainable. Yet, they keep telling us that instead of being responsible for ourselves, Big Brother Government will take care of everything.
BBG figures if they just take everything from those nasty old rich folks, all will be well in Fantasyland. One tiny little flaw in the plan is that if every rich person gave every cent they owned to the BBG, it would not be enough to sustain the greedy public for very long. That is what Greece, Portugal, Spain, Germany, France, Ireland, etc., are now discovering.
A country where people work the free market system is what works best. It did for us until 'temporary' government programs began spreading like a disease, urging more and more people to leave the work force. Right now, a bill to extend unemployment benefits for an additional full year, bringing them to a total of three years, is being pushed. Like it or not, many people are no longer looking for work because the unemployment checks they get every week are worth more than the available jobs. So, what will happen when the unemployment finally runs out and the folks who stopped looking discover their lack of work of any kind for three years has put them permanently on the sidelines? Or, will we extend it another year and another?
Our dream country is becoming a nightmare where Big Brother is everywhere and urging us to go nowhere.
@jb78000 (15139)
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6 Dec 10
no country in the world has a completely free market. that isn't sustainable either. and you will note that none of the europeans in this discussion was complaining about their countries as much as you are about the states. represented are germany, norway, scotland and england. interesting.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
6 Dec 10
"It did for us until 'temporary' government programs began spreading like a disease, urging more and more people to leave the work force."
Do you have any data on the number of people who voluntarily left the work force and then took advantage of these government programs? Actually, if you quit your job you are denied unemployment benefits in many/most states. You may still qualify for TANF/welfare benefits but no one can live and eat on what their programs provide and you have to participate in the Welfare To Work programs, which will eventually put you back to work...so, logically, that would be a huge waste of someone's time, costing them more than they would gain in the long run.
"So, what will happen when the unemployment finally runs out and the folks who stopped looking discover their lack of work of any kind for three years has put them permanently on the sidelines?"
Are you under the impression that everyone who has been collecting unemployment benefits during the past two years is still collecting? That's a misconception. Many people ran out long before the first extension, many people have already used up the current plus extended benefits for this year. Do you actually know anyone who is surviving on unemployment benefits and isn't trying to find another job regardless of how much they're receiving because there is so much competition for every available opening? I heard on the news the other day that one of the airlines announced 10,000 job openings on it's website and started taking applications...over 100,000 people applied before they were forced to stop accepting them. This isn't a pre-recession economy where you can easily find another job so the idea that most people are holding out for something as good as the job they lost is a misconception.
@jwfarrimond (4473)
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5 Dec 10
Most countries outside of the middle east are in fact run by a ruling class of rich people. Vote? Yes we can vote for different people but they are all part of the same plutocracy. Thats even more the case in the USA where notwithstanding the constitutional bullshite, if you 'aint a multi - millionaire you have not got a ghost of a chance of even getting on the lowest rung on the political ladder.
It's the same in the UK. Most if not all of the people at the top of the political heap are millionairs or multi-millionairs and I expect that it's the same in every other European country.
That being the case, I'll stay put as at least the natives speak English! (Most of them anyway)
@jwfarrimond (4473)
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5 Dec 10
I Tried...but then I realised that half of the planet speaks my language and the other half would probably understand if I spoke loud enough 
!
learn some new languages.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Dec 10
Because they'd have to learn another language?
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
6 Dec 10
Not too many people have the sense of the absurd to pull that off though.
@marguicha (215558)
• Chile
5 Dec 10
Hi jb,
I agree with you that those dream countries exist. But they don´t have to emigrate
. Their country most of the times meets those expectations. Please tell me of a country where money doesn´t rule. Noone has to take a plane, not even a bus. As for theocracy, it is the same. Churches have power everywhere and many people are brainwashed into believing that their creed is "the only true one" (the rest of the people will go to hell, of course when we kill them
).
I doubt that the former Soviet Union or the middle east countries are so much worse than the so called "free" countries where young men and women are sent to fight elsewhere to get hold of the markets rich people who own the great companies need.
. Their country most of the times meets those expectations. Please tell me of a country where money doesn´t rule. Noone has to take a plane, not even a bus. As for theocracy, it is the same. Churches have power everywhere and many people are brainwashed into believing that their creed is "the only true one" (the rest of the people will go to hell, of course when we kill them).
I doubt that the former Soviet Union or the middle east countries are so much worse than the so called "free" countries where young men and women are sent to fight elsewhere to get hold of the markets rich people who own the great companies need.@jwfarrimond (4473)
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5 Dec 10
Oh I entirely agree with you jb. I've been to Russia myself, just to visit, not actually living there, but I spoke to quite a number of ordinary Russians when I was there about the post Soviet Russia. The country is still being ruled by a clique of rich people (AKA the Russian Mafia) while most of the rest of the people still struggle to make ends meet on a day to day basis. It's certainly not somewhere I'd like to live unless of course I was a Siberian oil and gas baron!
@marguicha (215558)
• Chile
5 Dec 10
I have traveled a lot and I have seen poverty everywhere, even in the richest countries. But my dream country has to have a reasonable climate
. It is a lot tougher to be poor with snow and extreme cold. I have noticed that most of mylotters "struggle to make ends meet on a day to day basis". There are different priorities in each culture (and subcultures) though.
I don´t have central heating, but I don´t need it. I don´t have AC either. But my house is well made so that the earthquakes we have don´t damage it.
Take care!
. It is a lot tougher to be poor with snow and extreme cold. I have noticed that most of mylotters "struggle to make ends meet on a day to day basis". There are different priorities in each culture (and subcultures) though.
I don´t have central heating, but I don´t need it. I don´t have AC either. But my house is well made so that the earthquakes we have don´t damage it.
Take care!
@Louc74 (620)
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6 Dec 10
Isn't Britain and ogliarchy? The working class only seem to exist here to provide the elite with their luxurious lifestyles. And I think it's only Christians whose religious values aren't taken into consideration here.
I think you should start your own country, Jb - the common sense, have your eyes opened country. And be totally independent. And I could get a crossbow, and an Uzi, and stand at the electrified fence and gate to make sure the elite didn't get in to plunder our crops and oil! Lol!
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
6 Dec 10
And wouldn't it be just lovely if some particularly miserable people took advantage of the opportunity? They certainly would be in for a few surprises, that's for sure, but then perhaps they would appreciate the country they left behind. 
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
6 Dec 10
Sounds good to me. In fact, those who worship the rich will find opportunities to grovel at their feet.
@vandana7 (98859)
• India
5 Dec 10
We love changing things, the way our furniture is arranged, the way things are in our country, and the way our spouses behave... so what's new? :) If we emigrate there, we would try to change those countries as well...
@marga1433 (90)
• Philippines
6 Dec 10
grr... yea you r definittely right right with that.. well, I don't dream that big though... I only want to travel with in my country sound convincing... It's tagaytay highlands... I w ant to go there...
