President Obama gives another gift to the Birthers

Maggiepie your response says exactly what the problem is that liars get lost in their own lies.

Yes, who was it said that you don't need a good memory if you're telling the truth? Anyway, the simplest explanation to me is that Obama made an off-script remark, which we know he's not good at. He doesn't know his history very well and said something that made no sense. However, it doesn't do anything to dampen the birthers as they gather their anomalies to ponder over.

ROLLO: Exactly. I know because once upon a time, I was the same way (God fixed me...). Actually, I dislike the term "birther" if for no other reason that the Left started using it to squelch legitimate questions about BO's & his buddies' actions, but I know there are those who fit under the umbrella insult due to their obsession with conspiracies in general. You know, the black helicopter lot, who seem never to have met a conspiracy they didn't like.... Still, most who have challenged BO are doing so because they have valid reasons. Why isn't he willing to show his long form? Where is that form? What about the Kenyans (including his own grandmother) who say he was born there? There is a Constitutional issue at the center of it, which depends on how the term "natural born citizen" was meant by the Founders. The two things the Founders made plain are that (1)one cannot be eligible for the Presidency if one is a duel citizen, nor be born to someone whose parents--both of them--are not citizens. BO doesn't fit either qualification. AND (2), one must be born on U.S. soil (including soil in foreign countries used for military or diplomatic purposes--take John McCain's case). The COLB does not prove that at all, yet it is the sole form BO has submitted as proof of birth in Hawaii--in whichever hospital he claims at the moment was his birthplace (rolleyes). Add to that the numerous cover-ups & "errors" on behalf of key players (such as the oh-so-trustworthy Nancy Pelosi) regarding ALL his records (including the multiple Social Security numbers he has), & you have a whole nest of good reasons to question the man. ALL of this is on record. Mizz Jenine Gerafalo (sp?) aside, this is NOT "straight-up about racism." This is, ultimately, about the rule of law. If one still cares about the Constitution, one defends it, that's all. And BO will just keep going out of his way to say & do things that, as you say, keep fueling the debate. Last word on this. Questioning BO'S eligibility is no longer--if it ever was--a "fringe issue." Polls repeatedly say that between 60 & 65% of Americans wonder if he really was born here, & a growing number of those are starting to ask for answers. Just my tuppence... Maggiepie “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep & bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” ~ Thomas Jefferson

Well, ignoring the assertion that I have nothing productive to do, I must still advise you to read the discussion more carefully for content and context rather than just reacting to the subject matter. I haven't actually taken a stand on this, or what it means. I didn't say it, Obama did. My question is why did he say it? You didn't answer that.

What exactly is the point? Is it that he erred on the date of the Bay of Pigs? No, that's not it. Maybe he does not know exactly the day of his birth? No, that's not it. The point is that you are trying to insinuate that there is some question about the date and location of his birth. But there is no question. That non-issue has been put to rest, just like the Loch Ness monster. The whole endeavor is just pathetic. Go find something productive to do. Weed the flower bed. Wash your car. Read a book. If you do not have any books in your house, there are a lot of them available for reading online.

trruk, there's no evidence of my having insinuated anything. I wrote it all out in plain language. So we know that you don't think it's choice 1 or choice 2 and you don't think it's choice 3, I guess. So do you think it's choice 4? Or do you have your own explanation? I think it's clear that Obama went off-script in his remarks and said something historically inaccurate. Why is it so hard to admit he said something stupid? Again, I didn't say this, Obama did. I want to know why you think he said it. I already know why I think he said it. The answer to the question is not that you think I am not well-read or that my garden needs weeding.

Rollo1 I agree we are in for a very interesting election season coming up. Although I hate to think of how difficult life will be in the USA if we have to suffer another 4 years of Obama's narcissistic madness. I am fed up with it after only 2 years.

Just read an article the other day that said Hawaii is passing legislation to sell his birth certificate at $100 a pop. Not sure if this includes shipping and handling.

I think the Hawaiian law is a pre-emptive move. They figure if they put forth legislation to offer up his birth records then no one will worry about making the laws about proof more strict. Either way, something's gotta give and we should know a lot more if Obama runs for re-election. Just a thought: what will people think if he doesn't run again? Will they assume it's so he doesn't have to show his BC? What fun! I think we're in for a very interesting election season coming up.

Obama is not the smartest human ever born or even our most intelligent President. *gasp* say it isnt so! By the way, I do not find him charismatic at all. His speeches do not move me in the least. They do however make me feel pity.

Why read when they can react? But at least I got a lot of great ideas for new hobbies should I find I need one. Regardless of when or where he was born, how long it took or if his mother was even there, I am of the opinion that Obama is not the smartest human ever born or even our most intelligent President. Charisma helps you deliver a speech effectively but it doesn't write the speech. When he's speaking extemporaneously and without a script, Obama says some painful things. I think this Bay of Pigs remark is one of those.

I think his style gets old after a couple of years. Every speech is delivered in the same way, with the same style and inflections. He looks left, he looks right, he doesn't look to the middle (no teleprompter there). When he spoke in generalities about Hope, Change, Transparency and Yes, We Can! on the campaign trail, it was still fresh and new in the ears of the public. Two years down the road, generalities and high ideals are nice, but they're not going to solve the economic crisis or restore our faith in our government. To me, he sounds rehearsed, the words not his own. I agree that the charisma has faded.

I think you will have enough time to roast a turkey.

One of the very few responses that actually tell me where they stand! Yay! I have known compulsive liars and they don't actually always know that they're telling lies, they get used to the lie and believe it themselves. I don't know what I think of the Obama birth certificate thing. I know there are things that he's not been truthful or forthcoming about. I know there are things being hidden and that makes me wonder about what is hidden and why. I know that enough people are trying to destroy anyone who asks questions to make me uncomfortable. I am open to believe anything that is the truth, but I don't think we've gotten to the truth yet. So I am waiting. Convince me, Barack. Convince me that you are open, transparent, above-board, a staunch defender of truth, justice and the American Way. I had better make a snack for while I am waiting. This could be a while.

I don't think the governor can produce a birth certificate even if there is one for the same reason that Hawaii can't sell them for $100 each. It's a violation of privacy laws. Of course, if he found a birth certificate there is nothing to stop him from saying he's seen it. At least, I don't think there's anything stopping him, unless it is Obama himself. I am neither a birther or a non-birther. I don't think the accusations are wholly bogus and I don't think that all of the explanations are completely true, either. I don't know why it's a mystery, possibly something embarrassing is in his records and that is why he's so secretive. But it's clear that Obama said something that, whether true or untrue, was one big mistake.

For someone who promised transparency, he certainly is opaque...lol

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I agree that one good reason for not clearing things up is because the media aids and abets him in marginalizing anyone with questions about the subject. But do you then think he purposely said something ridiculous about being 3 months old during the Bay of Pigs invasion just to see if anyone noticed? I have yet to see anyone admit that he might just not know when it happened. They can't admit he said something stupid. And really, either he said something stupid or he wasn't born when he said he was. It's one or the other.

I think he just said something stupid. Just like when he said he'd been to 57 states with one more to go...he's not as smart as people would like us to believe. I'm not saying he's stupid but I don't think he knows a lot about the country. He was raised in Hawaii and Indonesia when he was young and those cultures have little to do with mainland American culture. He's not emotionally connected to this country and so makes mistakes like that.