Should we have the right to fire incompetent teachers?
@flowerchilde (12529)
United States
13 responses
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Feb 11
Absolutely! The only thing guarantees accomplish is apathy and complacency.
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@Adoniah (7512)
• United States
21 Feb 11
The only time a teacher gets fired now, is if your class scores poorly on the Fcat tests. So the teachers teach the kids how to take tests. Forget teaching them anything else, just teach them the Fcat test. Oh,Yeah, if you accidentally touch a kid you can get fired for that too.
Teachers should be fired. I did not want to homeschool my daughter, but after seeing what was going on in her school I finally had to. Her teacher was a sicko. She was also the Mayor of the town. No one was going to fire her. If the kids did not kiss her good-bye as they were leaving school she would thunk them on the head with her shoe. I saw her do it. My daughter always refused, but she was also a head taller than the teacher...lol She never told me what was going on.
I also witnessed a knife fight in the yard before school one morning. These were 4th and 5th graders...I got the knives away and took them to the principal...He said it was OK, that they would not really hurt each other. That was the last day my daughter attended school there.

@deebomb (15304)
• United States
20 Feb 11
I believe that the school district has the right and the duty to fire incompetent teachers. But not necessarily grumpy teacher. I also don't think that colleges should have tenure from some of what I'm reading about what is or is not going on the first two years of college. I don't think they should be sent to what is called a rubber room during suspension. There ha to be a better way so that a teacher isn't discriminated aginst but if the teacher is bad then they need to be gone. This is what the demonstrations in Wisconsin is all about. They should not be able to sit
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
22 Feb 11
If it was up to each worker in the world, we'd all want tenure wouldn't we? But would this result in quality work? Rather everything would go to the proverbial he// in a hand basket wouldn't it.. Even the industrious ones after a while would look at the non industrious and wonder why am I working so hard?
I agree, a grumpy day now and then, we all have!
And shouldn't be fired for it! But if a teacher is too grumpy too often with the kids it's not good. My daughter works in special education and she says some people simply should not be teachers and do more damage than good.
And shouldn't be fired for it! But if a teacher is too grumpy too often with the kids it's not good. My daughter works in special education and she says some people simply should not be teachers and do more damage than good.@matersfish (6306)
• United States
21 Feb 11
That's just sad.
One thing I've noticed since these protests have started - teachers cite that their actions are "for the kids" - everything they're doing is supposedly to provide a better education for students.
Yet when you can't fire tenured teachers and have to keep them around and have to keep paying them good salaries (even salaries on the lower end are still "good" for the work they do!), that's essentially blaming the kids for failing.
It doesn't work both ways. You can't champion the kids when your money is threatened and then throw them under the bus when your job is in question. 
One thing I've noticed since these protests have started - teachers cite that their actions are "for the kids" - everything they're doing is supposedly to provide a better education for students.
Yet when you can't fire tenured teachers and have to keep them around and have to keep paying them good salaries (even salaries on the lower end are still "good" for the work they do!), that's essentially blaming the kids for failing.
It doesn't work both ways. You can't champion the kids when your money is threatened and then throw them under the bus when your job is in question. 
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
21 Feb 11
Seems to me, the right to control who teaches your kids is a pretty important right!
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
21 Feb 11
I almost forgot! no I never heard about the school that was forced to rehire and raise their wages! I guess that's what bargaining power and (close to government) unions can do for you! But education is the foundation of the future, i.e. the next generation. I swear! Sometimes I think the goal is to become a third world country!
@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
20 Feb 11
Yes, we definitely should. The job affects our children for life and a lousy teacher can cause lifelong learning problems. We should have the right to control who teaches our children and what they teach them. The consequences of a bad teacher can span decades and even impact future generations.
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@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
21 Feb 11
H3ll yes! I HATE tenure. Why should anyone get a job guarantee 3 years and 1 day after they start? Especially when you consider they generally only work half of that time. There's a great school in Camden, NJ where the teachers are judged on student performance and test scores, and if they don't perform they're out of there. The governor of NJ is trying to abolish tenure.
No one should be getting a lifetime job appointment!
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
21 Feb 11
I enjoyed the advantages of tenure but it was not iron-clad. Teachers could not be fired just for grumpies (in fact some of my best teachers were grumpy)but they could be fired for illegal acts. One value of tenure is that education should not be conformity and there is a tendency without tenure for people who express opinions contrary to those of their bosses to be fired for failing to conform to the prevailing thought. The greatest thoughts of all time and useful inventions came about through people refusing to conform. Tenure for teachers helps to keep society growing and not falling into stagnation. Some abuse it, of course. But that is true everywhere.
@3SnuggleBunnies (16374)
• United States
21 Feb 11
I wouldn't say fire the grumpy ones perhaps s a demotion into a teachers aid position ;0)
They are looking at doing that with one of the biggest school dist's in our state w/ the precious unions approval of course. Either they do their job well or out on their tush they will go.
I don't have tenure at my job. The longest I've held a job is about 5yrs before I moved on. Though if you count being a Mom, I'm a few yrs shy. At my current job I've only been there a few years.
@celticeagle (189833)
• Boise, Idaho
21 Feb 11
No, I don't think we should have the right to fire grumpy teachers. Now that is ALOT different from incompetency. If this teacher can be proven to be incompetent then, yes, I think they should be brought before the board. This teacher shouldn't have gotten the job in the first place and it would seem that someone else should be brought to the board as well. I have heard of some that don't do the background checks like they should.
I did have tenure. It was a new department and I was one of the ones who started it and set up alot of the guidelines. I was there for four years before I took a early retirement.
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@rabblerouser (136)
• South Africa
22 Feb 11
yes!.... fire them ....no need to reward incompetence !
@rabblerouser (136)
• South Africa
22 Feb 11
Hi flowerchilde ......yep ....fire them ....htere is no need to reward incompetence
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