Sharia Law in the United States

Pilot Mountain, North Carolina
February 21, 2011 3:23pm CST
I read an article earlier today that spoke of a radical Muslim cleric who was planning a protest at the White House because he wants to see Sharia Law established in the United States. The cleric's name is Anjem Choudary. This is the same person who made the controversial statement that the "flag of Islam will fly over the White House". I, for one, am outraged! I am all for religious freedom, but this is something completely different. For someone like this guy to come in and basically say that he is going to demand that the United States recognizes and enforces Sharia Law (which is what his statements seem to imply). That is absurd. Has anyone read some of the things included in Sharia Law? Many of the things go against the Constitution of the United States. It requires prayer, fasting, pilgrimage and other religious acts to be performed by everyone under its rule. Sorry...but that's unconstitutional in this country. Sadly, the US Government is too stupid to stand up to some of these radicals anymore and is more interested in appeasing everyone than standing up for the ideals of this great country. Grow a backbone America and stop trying to be so politically correct!
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
22 Feb 11
Every country in western Europe said that sharia or islamic law would never be enforced there...but it is encrouching in their countries. Maybe not stoning, but there are many parts to sharia. Look at how the women must dress and live even here. Go online and look up islamic law...There is a lot of interesting bits of it online that will knock your socks off. The parts that do not include capital punishment are already enforced amoung the muslims everywhere. Don't kid yourself. It is entwined with their religion and culture. They cannot be separated. Within 10 years, there will be enough muslims in this country to vote for whatever they want if they all vote. Bet your bottom dollar they will vote too. So never say never....
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
22 Feb 11
I believe that there are a lot of folks in this country that want sharia law to be enforced eventually. They truly believe that this is the next progression in civilization. I find this bizarre as any civilized person should.
• Pilot Mountain, North Carolina
22 Feb 11
I agree with you 100%! If the people in our country would truly look at those countries you spoke of who said that it would never happen and also look at the things that have happened in this country that we said would never happen, then I think we would be more apt to stand up and do something about it now before it's too late. Hopefully our government won't sit back and just let stuff like this blow over, but rather stand up and face it!
@amirev777 (4117)
• India
21 Feb 11
I just could not but laugh out so loud after reading about this absurd and ridiculous proclamation about imposing another equally absurd and ridiculous sharia law on US. But Islam is growing more rapidly than the cancerous cells do in the terminal stage of cancer. God save America!
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@rebelann (111193)
• El Paso, Texas
29 Jun 21
Every facet of humanity is growing, we've become a cancer of this planet
• Thailand
22 Feb 11
It is a bit silly to get all outraged about the statements of a religious nutcase. Sharia law is constitutionally impossible in the United States and would have little or no popular support. I have a much broader concern with people who want to write the Old Testament laws into the United States legal code. There is a much broader support base for those who would inflect biblical law on the country and it is just as scary as Sharia law.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Feb 11
Our legal system is based on the Ten Commandments found in the Old Testament. Perhaps you do not know the history of the US? Of course, there is the Ten Commandments, meant for all mankind, then there is the religious law meant for the nation of Israel. No where do I see religious law imposed or suggested in America. If you mean the Ten Commandments in the Old Testament, can you tell us why they bother you?
• Pilot Mountain, North Carolina
23 Feb 11
A bit silly? Yes he is a religious nutcase, but the thing is that people listen to him. He may do anything in the US himself, but what he is doing is propaganda which gets many others involved in his cause. You're naive to think that there is no support in the US for the enforcement of Sharia Law...it's already happening in several areas.
• United States
23 Feb 11
Our legal system is based on the Ten Commandments found in the Old Testament. Really? The First, Second, Third, Fourth, and Fifth commandments are Unconstitutional. The Tenth is not encoded in any U.S. law. The Sixth, Seventh, Eighth, and Nineth are part of every secular law in the history of secular law, and not original to the Torah.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
23 Feb 11
As agonizing and repulsive (and ridiculous) as I find what this man has to say is....he has every right to say it. The first amendment applies to everyone. Besides, we have a couple things that for the most part negate any danger of Sharia replacing the constitution. First is...well, the constitution. Second is a populace that will never have massive enough numbers of supporters of sharia to overthrow the Constitutional Republic for a Sharia based government.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Feb 11
I'm curious xfahctor, do you really believe the Constitution matters to those who are in office? And do you really believe most of the populace understands what is happening politically to know they should stand up to the idiots they've elected? Maybe I'm being sarcastic here, but apathy is mostly what I'm seeing in my community. A 'give me' attitude prevails. If the government promised them security, no matter what the cost, they'd jump on it. Oh well, guess I'm in one of my cynical moods tonight. btw..you're right about him having the right to say what he says. All the more reason for people to voice the opposition to what he says, right?
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Feb 11
btw...do these folks have the right to say what they want to say in public? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0relDfMQ4xQ&annotation_id=annotation_310064&feature=iv
• Pilot Mountain, North Carolina
23 Feb 11
@xfahctor: I would agree with you completely that this man has a right to have those beliefs and he has freedom of speech (even though I don't believe he's a US Citizen). I also agree that to enforce Sharia Law on a broader scale would require the overthrow of the US Constitution. With the growing population of Muslims in the United States, some of whom have the similar beliefs of this radical, could pose a big problem and this debate could come to the forefront in a few years.
@RobtheRock (2433)
• United States
21 Feb 11
I agree that it will never happen here. My major reason for saying it is that if there is a Brown population that grows, this gives us more of a Catholic majority. Christians will always be the dominate religion here.
• Pilot Mountain, North Carolina
22 Feb 11
I'm sorry but the statistics have shown for the last decade that Christianity is a majority but it is rapidly shrinking while other religions and atheism are growing exponentially. You can sit back and say it will never happen, but one day you are going to wake up and see that you were wrong, unless something is done now. You can't just put your blinders on and pretend like there is not a problem and expect everything to be okay.
• United States
22 Feb 11
In my time, the Brown race will be in the majority (which is the reason for the border excitement and all the I9 forms and other ways of proving we're not illegal aliens) and they are majority Catholic. I'm pretty old, so maybe in "your" time the Islam will be a problem.
• United States
22 Feb 11
Per the First Amendment, Mr. Choudary has every right to protest in favor of the stablishment of Sharia Law in the United States. Also per the First Amendment, the United States has not and will not establish Sharia or any other religious law as binding upon those who do not care to be bound by it. I'm uncertain what else you think is needed for us to do in order to qualify as "standing up to some of these radicals."
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
23 Feb 11
Interesting dilemma people have when they use their first amendment rights to call for the repeal of the first amendment. :~D
• Pilot Mountain, North Carolina
23 Feb 11
Perhaps the Federal Government could stop trying to appease everyone, grow a backbone and ban the existence of Sharia Law in the United States which is perfectly legal seeing how Sharia does go directly against the Constitution! They are already doing that very same thing on a state level in several places. However, I have a feeling that our federal government wouldn't do anything like that because they don't want to offend anyone.
• United States
23 Feb 11
What's to ban? Not a single United States court recognizes or enforces Sharia. The only way Sharia can possibly have relevance to any court case in the U.S. is if two people contract to be bound by those portions of Sharia that don't conflict with Federal, State, or local law -- contracts that violate law are null and void. Even in such a case, the court would be enforcing only U.S. law: the law permits people to enter into binding contracts. The federal government doesn't ban the code of Hammurabbi or the Napoleanic Code for exactly the same reason. States that have passed laws banning Sharia may as well have passed laws banning unicorns for all the effect they have on the law. Sharia is simply not a part of U.S. law at any level, and could not be without a repeal of the First Amendment.
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
22 Feb 11
Wow!! I had never heard about this one, and if such a thing is permitted it would be a definate sign of the times, and wake up call for everyone around. Personally should not something like this be allowed to be Voted on first? And if Obama allows it this would prove everyone's fear he is Muslim and was lying to us from the start. All I can do and all anyone can do is Pray and believe God to never allow something like this to take place as well.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
22 Feb 11
I think it will require more than prayer...they are praying too...who is the Lord supposed to listen to???
• India
22 Feb 11
I really fail to understand as to why the western countries always try to placate the Muslim population... the very rigidity of Islam goes against the foundation laws of any secular democratic country. Here in India, politicians toe their line coz they are a big influential vote bank... is it the same in western nations too? We were really shocked to see the way the ground zero mosque came up despite severe protests from supposedly the ‘majority’ and now this... no wonder, I heard somewhere that the way things are going on in the US, very soon it will be know as the US of Arabia. And as for being ‘politically correct’... the US seems to be making a lot of mistakes on the global area yet trying to be ‘correct’ at home, which is actually going against it. It had no business in Iraq and Afghanistan where it went, while back home it’s trying to recognize the same undemocratic laws which it supposedly is trying to overthrow in other theocratic / autocratic states.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Feb 11
Sharia law is a blatant violation of the US Constitution. The only way to establish it would be to destroy the Constitution. What he wants is the destruction of the US, remade to his demands.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Feb 11
I feel as if the destruction of the Constitution IS what the present government is shooting for. Heck, we haven't paid any notice, but the Constitution has been hammered alot in the last generation. Most school children can't identify it as the Law of the land.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
21 Feb 11
Well, this guy and anyone sharing his opinion can want it. They have every right to protest for it in the US. But it's not going to happen. Just like folks who want America to work more like a socialist/communist system - move somewhere else! If this guy wants Sharia law, go to a Sharia-controlled country. Nothing's stopping him. He's free to leave. These idiots that want the violent, oppressive version of Islam to spread and take over America are unfortunately welcome in America. But America is full of idiots wanting all types of crap idiots want. He's only the latest. I'm interested to know if CAIR is denouncing this guy, though. Supposedly, they're the voice of moderate, peace-loving Muslims in America. They're quick to jump on anyone who may say anything even slightly anti-Muslim. So I'll keep my eyes peeled to see if they bash this guy (with more than perhaps 1 press release from a San Fran branch or something). Not that CAIR's ignoring this guy means they side with him, but I think it's fair to say those silent on certain matters earn a questionable look or few. After all, they blasted Juan Williams for saying people on plans in traditional Muslim garb make him nervous, but they didn't speak up very loudly about the professor calling for violence against all Zionists. The incidents happend on the same day.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Feb 11
Dearborn Michagan IS in the USA, right? I ask that you view this video and comment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0relDfMQ4xQ&annotation_id=annotation_310064&feature=iv
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
23 Feb 11
Perhaps this discussion would be of interest to you: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2336762.aspx You're right to worry.
• Philippines
22 Feb 11
Hello Scott, I am a bit tired and wanted to stop posting but this discussion had forced me to tell my views. these extremist doesn't realize that they are giving their religion and the other innocent members a very bad name! but who cares?! they don't care, and they want others to join them as many as possible United States is supposed to be a beacon of Modern Democracy and shouldn't allow old fashioned laws to exist since most of them are MAN MADE anyways
@fannitia (2167)
• Bulgaria
21 Feb 11
Hi, Scottoleson, don't worry. This is too absurd to be a real threat. I made a quick check with myLot search and see what I found: "However, whether the three will be able to enter the U.S., especially Izzadeen, remains to be seen. Even a tourist visa requires applicants to answer questions on whether they have been involved in acts of terrorism or plan to commit crimes in the U.S." I think that the best strategy is to ignore such extremists. If the media don't show them they won't have any chance.
• Pilot Mountain, North Carolina
22 Feb 11
Actually...the problems we are having now with many of the extremists (not just Muslims) is that we have ignored them for way too long! We can only put our heads in the sand and pretend like everything is perfectly fine for so long before it comes back to bite us in the backside! We have to stand up and stand strong against things like this. Look at what the extremist Muslim view has gotten all these other countries and the fights they have had to deal with (i.e. France, England, etc). If we don't stand up against it now, we'll be going through the same thing.