Queen of England Racist Too?

@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
May 27, 2011 11:56pm CST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvw1blFWyVg I know most of you really dislike being redirected to links, but you have to see the difference in the two incidents to appreciate the question I'm asking. Bush messes up when honoring the Queen of England and gets a chuckle from Her Majesty and handles the embarrassment with aplomb and grace. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNRXGRFJdDY Obama messes up while toasting the Queen of England and gets the cold shoulder. You can feel the tension. Does that mean the Queen is racist? It's a legitimate question, since everyone else who doesn't fall into line with Pres. Obama's popularity is called a racist, why not the Queen of England? I mean, since we all know that it's ok to bash Bush (sarcasm) and the Queen didn't see the need to bash him, maybe I'm on to something? What do you think? ps; I am really tired of Conservatives being called racist. Liberals out there, how about you? What do you think about that term being used in the political process, you think it's necessary and correct?
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
28 May 11
LOL. Seem to me that the internet has become a media to promote hatred, rather than provide the true. The worse part of it, is that those wankers have zero intelligence and you can read right through them. You would be hard press to call The Queen "racist", when she has been head of the Commonwealth for donkey years, representing a huge diversity of people. She was "anti-racism" when the rest of us did not know what racism was. LOL
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• Australia
28 May 11
The point is that you are comparing the Queen to the American capitalists running the tea party and wanting to take up arms against Obama because he has the audacity of wanting to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor. He would be a failure as a President if he did not do anything to improve the life of the African American people. And if the American people object to that... it is racism.
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• Australia
28 May 11
When our Prime Minister returned from America, after visiting Obama, she commented that she loved a lot of things about America, but was horrified by the behaviour of the Tea Party people.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 May 11
The thing is Aussies, if that had taken place here in America with a white woman 'dissing him' like that, she'd be called a racist and made mince meat out off in the press. My point is, anyone in America who disagrees with Obama is automatically called a racist. I know the Queen is NOT racist. I was making a point. A bit of TRUTH revealed if you will, with a bit of sarcasm.
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
28 May 11
No, the Queen is not racist. Bush (on his own soil) made a slip of the tongue which amused her Majesty, Obama (as a visitor to Britain) made a small breach of protocol (attempting to drink the toast before the National Anthem had finished). There is a world of difference! You have to understand that, in British eyes, Obama is not 'black' (racially, he is of mixed race and his features are actually predominantly 'white') but an American who has not been properly briefed by his aides. He is therefore seen as somewhat 'gauche' by the Queen and by the rest of the British public. The Queen is not remotely racist. After all, it is her duty (which she does with enormous pride and confidence and genuine enjoyment) to meet people of all races and to treat them equally. If Obama apologised afterwards for his lack of 'manners' (which he probably did - comments would certainly have been made) he would have been forgiven.
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
28 May 11
Personally, I am very bored by this 'racisim' issue. In America there are a number of races which are distinguished, mainly, by their social customs and mores, NOT by skin colour. Obama is clearly mainstream 'white' by education and upbringing. The 'racial' label is simply false and a red herring. What has become clear, however, is that, as an international leader, he simply does not have what it takes. He may have chosen his advisors and aides unwisely or he may just not have sufficient appreciation of protocol to want to learn to act appropriately. As a head of state on foreign soil, he doesn't 'cut the mustard' (and I'm not just referring to this one incident: there have been many others in his dealings with Britain, alone). He is just not a very good statesman.
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@ajk111 (2495)
28 May 11
summing up of obama, perfect!
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
28 May 11
He's a bit of an oick at times. I did think that the 'smart alec' label was a little too good for him, actually (though it was funny). 'Dumb cluck' would be nearer the mark as far as his social graces are concerned.
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
28 May 11
That was funny when Bush says, "She gave me a look only a mother can give"..lol As for her reaction to Obama, there can be many reasons, one of which owlwings said, that Obama attempted to toast before the national anthem was over. Another reason might be she is getting older, and maybe she just is not as animated as before. Or she very well could be racist too, because in her generation, that was common..So I guess this is one of those, "G♥d only knows" answers..
• United States
28 May 11
Oh, maybe that is it, he also was not so respectful of our anthem either was he???Maybe he had a bad experience with anthems when he was little...lol
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
29 May 11
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 May 11
He doesn't seem to care for national anthems, does he?
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
28 May 11
No, the Queen is not racist. She was reacting according to how England has been treated by Obama, a series of insults (deliberate or not) without much effort to treat them as the valuable allies they are. Bush tried to stick to protocol and be polite, even warm, to England. His staff made sure he knew how to behave, what to say and how to act toward royalty and England's ruling structure. As England probably sees it (and as I see it), Obama is not even trying to stick to proper protocol or respect customs. Thus, the cold shoulder. If they could see he was making a real effort to behave properly the Queen would immediately forgive him and not give him the cold shoulder. But his ineptitude is careless, as in care less. His attitude is belligerent and inconsiderate. Nope, the Queen is not racist but she knows when she is despised and not respected. She reacts in kind, as royalty has been taught to do for centuries.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
28 May 11
Sorry, I guess I missed that point. It's true, they would be called racist here. But as I just said in a comment in another thread, racism is an ugly evil that is being trivialized by the casual way the term is being tossed around by Obama supporters. Soon we won't even know what real racism is and our kids will think it is only disagreeing with non-whites. That is dangerous. Losing the real definition of racism will lead to its return and resurgence because no one will recognize it. I really resent people trivializing it and thus empowering those filled with hatred to distract us from the issues.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 May 11
I agree with your points; my point is that if anything similar to that had occured here in America at some formal function, the white person would be called a racist. What's your opinion on that?
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• United States
28 May 11
There are pictures & videos of Obama "dissing" the Queen but bowing to an Islamic King.
@krajibg (11923)
• Guwahati, India
28 May 11
Hi debra, It seems both Bush and Obama brought the embarrassment unto themselves with a little mistake they committed. But I feel there was something when Obama was not in the list of the royal wedding wedding of the prince William. Was it intentional or he got dropped by mistake? I feel the smell of racism. Hope I am incorrect.
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• Australia
29 May 11
It annoys the heck of me to see people constantly making up stories as they go along, just to try to make a point which does not exist. 1) If Obama had made the trip to the wedding, the American public would have cried blue murder for wasting the taxpayer's money. 2) If he had been on the list, and declined the invitation, it would have been regarded as an insult to the Royal Family. 3) Obama could not make it to the wedding. For those who actually follow the real news, they would have know that while the whole world was watching the wedding on television, Obama was watching the Navy seals entering Ben Laden premises and taking him out. That is why he was not on the list.
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@krajibg (11923)
• Guwahati, India
28 May 11
Agreed
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 May 11
The American press did a good job of explaining away that omission. No, it was not racism. It was because he has disrespected the Royal Family many times, I believe. The American press told us it was because the Royal Family did not want to have to deal with the security. BUT...as we see, they did put up with it on THIS trip? It's not racism to not like someone. Faking affection or friendship for/with someone JUST BECAUSE they are a minority is just as racist as overt hatred of them because they are a minority. Don't you think?
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• United States
28 May 11
Bottom line is this; for anyone to call/accuse another of being racist simply for the reason of not liking/supporting President Obama is of a weak & insecure mind with character flaws of their own. Basically, those who call/accuse another without facts, are themselves racist. I do not like Obama, I did not vote for him, nor did I like Bush either. I don't judge a person based on skin color, for that is shallow, insecure, weak, & not comfortable in their own skin. I base my foundational judgement the same as God; by the words of a man and the works of his hands...for those reason I do not like Obama. When those of weak mind and self-insecurities realize that they are, in fact, the racists, it will always be this way.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 May 11
I believe somethings are being said, but you won't hear it from the MSM or if you do, its twisted and reported as somehow negative. I read a quote: To like an individual because he’s black is just as insulting as to dislike him because he isn’t white. Issues? You can't discuss the issues because if you disagree with the Obama worshipers you are called a racist in an attempt to SHUT YOU UP. That is the point of this discussion, I'm sick of being called a racist.
• United States
28 May 11
People like that, who call someone a racist just because they don't like Obama have very little, if any, intelligence. logic, and common-sense. I don't let them affect me, nor will I even engage in an exchange of words..they can't comprehend. I just will laugh at them, then feel pity..for their brain is mush.
• United States
28 May 11
Furthermore, why are groups of humanity even "tagged"? The Tea Party, Conservatives, Liberals...who cares? People are bickering over menial & trivial things, yet I don't see anyone of any so called group standing up against the high gas prices, the high cost of food, bodies of government imposing their will on peoples & enterprising entities... ...stand up for the real-life issues! Argue & bicker over paying $60.00 US dollars for 14 gallons of gas...spending nearly $200.00 a week for two health-conscientious adults and bringing home only 5 bags of groceries! All of those racists accusers; the Liberals; Tea Parties, Conservatives...S-H-U-T U-P and actually say something tangible! Do something meaningful! All say "hear me!" yet none are saying anything except accusatory towards others and not doing anything! STOP complaining about government and actually DO something about it!
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@GardenGerty (158001)
• United States
29 May 11
Racism does get bandied about a lot. I wonder how people of different races feel when all of their problems are named as being racist issues? I think it is too easy to ignore real problems and just stick a label on the people involved. File them away in a drawer so to speak. I think even if the president was purple, he would get the cold shoulder for messing up.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
29 May 11
I thought America was past all that, and I think they were for the most part. Some people are a$$es and that will never change, but we as a people were moving forward not backwards on the issue. NOW, the word is thrown around way to much. Like another responder said here, it trivializes the REAL racism. I've interacted with minority people quite a bit, and some are hypersensitive and others are open minded and if you mess up they don't brow beat you for it. For instance, I was walking along Lake Michigan's shore in Chicago with a black friend and enjoying the sound of the waves, I said to her...I wish I'd been able to be here two hundred years ago to see it in all its glory. She laughed and said 'not me', still not catching on I asked her why. She said, 'I'd have been your slave back then'. I apologized naturally, but her words made an impression on me, she replied to my apology with, 'don't worry...it just means you don't see me as black, you see me as a person'.
• United States
29 May 11
No I do not think the Queen is in any way a racist. I do think she is just fed up with the Obama's thinking protocol does not apply to them as this is not the first time they have tried to appear as if they were also Royals.. Every time I see Obama making the toast I keep thinking "You idiot" and how dumb he looked standing there like a fool the only person holding a glass. BTW did you notice that that when it was the right time to drink the toast that Obama was the only one who did not complete the toast by taking a sip. Notice Prince Philip and Camilla took the obligatory sip Obama DID NOT neither did the Queen but she does not have to drink to herself. Bush made slip of the tongue not an obvious insulting lack of protocol. There is no comparison between the two. Obama signing the date wrong could be similar to the Bush mistake as they both were errors in the date (year).http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8534672/Barack-Obama-signs-wrong-date-in-abbey-visitors-book.html
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
29 May 11
I see your point. Good one!
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
28 May 11
It is how they took the correction. Bush was gracious, and accepted the correction. Obama felt insulted that how dare anyone even the Queen of England insulted the Master of the Free World. And saying his advisers should have told him is no excuse. He had no problem bowing to the leaders of the Muslim countries, so why does he have a problem with saying excuse me. Surely the band or orchestra were told before hand that at a certain time, they had to play God Save the Queen. Do the liberals here think that they should have asked for Obama's permission before hand?
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
29 May 11
That is for sure. I saw the you tube before and also on Fox News. Yes, I look to watch a station that has both views not the leftish views that the other stations have as some people here on mylot (not mentioning any names or aliases) would like us ony to see. Obamas expression as well as his reaction to the border situation when he talked of moats and crocodiles, shows his immaturity and his dangerousness to the country.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
12 Jun 11
Thank you for the best response. I sure home that Obama did not hurt the relations of the ordinary American who may want to go to England, see Buckingham Palace and all that. I wonder if he did those faxu paux deliberately so when he does ruin the economy so that England will not help.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 May 11
And that is the difference that I see between Obama and Bush's handling of the embarrassment of their mistakes. I'm glad I'm not the only one to see that difference. Getting angry when you are embarrassed is juvenille at best and narcissistic at worst.
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
28 May 11
No, the Queen is not racist. The Bush thing was here on our soil and it was not a formal event. Obama has disrespected England and, therefore the Queen, so many times since he took office. I read an article the other day that listed 10 bad ones, including giving them back the bust of Churchill and giving her an iPod and giving the PM a set of classic American movies on DVDs that were not compatible with British DVD players. Protocol is important in England. The long version of the Obama gaff I saw showed that he started to give the toast, then paused and the musicians thought he was finished so they started playing. It was disrespectful for Obama to talk during the national anthem. And he flubbed up when he raised glass before the Queen. Two big no-nos in the span of a few minutes. Either Obama has some horrible handlers or he's so arrogant that he thinks rules and protocol don't apply to him. He does appear angry in the video, doesn't he? Not embarrassed, but angry.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
28 May 11
Protocol is important because by adhering to protocol you are able to show respect whether or not you are versed in the customs and manners of the nation you are in. The fact that his office is too lazy or doesn't care enough to learn a country's protocol is a sign of belligerent disrespect and a blatant insult to the Queen. He may as well have slapped her face or given her the bird.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 May 11
I don't see how it matters that it was not in England and that it was not formal but I will give you that. I looked at the difference in how each man handled the embarrassment. One joked and the other got angry. I agree with you that it was all about breaking protocol. Obama likes to break protocol when it comes to national anthems. But I was being sarcastic about the Queen being racist, I know full well she is not and that that was not what prompted her actions. My point is, if it had happen here in America that someone 'made' him look bad, they'd be called a racist. When it is obvious the Queen isn't racist; why is everyone else racist if they disagree or point out his faults?
@anklesmash (1412)
28 May 11
The Queen is not racist they were completely different scenarios in scenario one the queen was the guest in scenario two it was obama was the guest.in scenario one there was no possible argument of disrespect when there was in the second scenario.Actually i don't think it was meant as the cold shoulder but to ignore the incident in order not to higlight the incident and embarass the president.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
28 May 11
I know the Queen was not being racist. I was trying to make the point that the press here in America would have called it racist if it had happened here to Obama. If someone disagrees with or critisizes him or points out that he has made a mstake, they ususally are called a racist for it, or it is implied they don't want him to succeed. He gets a pass from the press when he does stupid things and no one can point them out without being insulted. I also wanted to highlight how he appeared to become angry when the Queen was ignoring him, while Bush handled his mistake with humor.