Oh what a night...
By TheRealDawn
@dawnald (85137)
Shingle Springs, California
June 21, 2011 2:51pm CST
Last night R was on the phone with his sister for a very long time. Her husband just got diagnosed with cancer, and they talked about that, and everything else under the sun. When he finally came inside, I asked how she was doing. Big mistake.
They way women talk a lot, but that man can yap until most people would have aching jaws.
Anyway, somehow we got into the other night when he went and told the kids about the divorce behind my back. He gave me the old "you wouldn't understand" bit again, and I said "how the heck can I understand when you won't tell me?"
Well here it is. He thinks it's the Dad's job to deliver bad news. And he decided that if the kids were going to hate anybody, it would be him.
Sorry, not buying the theory. Did it ever occur to him that they would resent the fact that I apparently didn't care enough to be there for the discussion? (insert moron smiley here)
Ok, so putting the best spin on it, he was trying to be noble and spare me. But does he really have a clue how some things affect people? I think not.
So then we get into why he didn't discuss this with me first. Well apparently, I should have told him that it was important to me to discuss it together. Just saying that was how I wanted to do it wasn't enough. Why not? Well apparently, because the counselor said that's how we should do it. And that's how people on the internet have told me to do it.
Yep, you heard it here folks. He thinks I do the things I do and say the things I say because other people tell me to do it that way. Somewhere along the way I turned into a mindless clone who goes to other people to find out what I should do and how I should act.
Good grief. Look, I know I come here a lot to vent. But I don't do it so that you can can tell me what to do and say. I do it so that I can see if my feelings about things that were said and done are off base or not. I listen to what everybody has to say, but I do my own thing and I make up my own mind.
Heaven knows, if I had been doing what most of you all had been telling me, I'd have had him out of the house a year ago, right?
So I told him that when I say I want to do something a certain way, it is because I think that is the best way to do it. Not because somebody told me that was how I had to do it. And that if he objected, he ought to speak up so we can discuss it.
Nope, it's on me to heavily emphasize how important it is to me. Then, he claims, he will take what I'm saying seriously. Sure, I buy that. Do you?
So on the moving out front, his mom wants him to go live with her. He doesn't want to do that because it would be too far to come pick up the kids after school and then go back up there. I told him today (via e-mail) that I would relieve him of that duty. We shall see what he says to that one.
He also said something interesting that I would love to hear opinions on. He said he wasn't going to get involved with anybody else until the kids were grown up. Why? Because it's natural for a man, when they get into a new relationship, to completely drop their own children and pay attention to hers. I said it depended on the guy and got scorn heaped upon me for being an ignorant woman who believes that some fathers would never abandon their children that way. What do you think about that one?
What could he be smoking?
And that was my evening. How was yours?
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18 responses
@ElicBxn (64169)
• United States
22 Jun 11
I'll believe it when I see it.
My brother NEVER took his eyes off his daughter despite all the women he got involved in - even broke it off with one because her KIDS were out of control! The ex-husband STALKING her didn't bother him as much! I will say that after her - all the women he got involved with had GROWN children!
However, he may think that's the way he would be, and if he thinks so, its possible he's right - we already know he's got other issues with relationships...
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@PointlessQuestions (15397)
• United States
22 Jun 11
My daughter's father made a new family with his present wife and forgot all about my daughter.. never sent a birthday card or anything... now after many years my daughter found him and she plans to go see him for the first time since she was 18 months old. She has no memories of him. I can only hope it goes okay.
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@Robswife2006 (1208)
• United States
22 Jun 11
I think his reasoning behind not wanting to date until the children are older are utterly ridiculousness. If you love your kids you love them no matter who you date & if you truly love them then nothing & no one can come between you & them. Not saying he shouldn't have any sort of social life, but he doesn't have to abandon his children unless that's what he really wants. As for your wanting to tell the kids about the divorce together I feel was & is an excellent idea. Divorce is very hard for most children today but if you would have told them together, explaining your reasons for the divorce & how you will still love them no matter what would, well that would have showed them that you would making the divorce as easy as you could possibly can for them. You had the right idea, no matter how noble his intentions were.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
22 Jun 11
supposedly noble, not sure what to believe...
@thinkingoutloud (6127)
• Canada
23 Jun 11
Wow! Head games, much?
I'd be willing to bet he's telling you that he "won't get involved with anybody" more for the fact that he doesn't want YOU to move on to someone new - I don't think it's about the kids at all but nice way to make them pawns in the argument :( Does he only fight with the guilt card? Because, judging by your descriptions, he's a travel agent for guilt trips! "If I leave, the kids won't have a father relationship because I'll be too busy with my new family" ... "If I tell them about the divorce they can just hate me... I'll be the martyr" Ugh.
I'd be willing to bet he's telling you that he "won't get involved with anybody" more for the fact that he doesn't want YOU to move on to someone new - I don't think it's about the kids at all but nice way to make them pawns in the argument :( Does he only fight with the guilt card? Because, judging by your descriptions, he's a travel agent for guilt trips! "If I leave, the kids won't have a father relationship because I'll be too busy with my new family" ... "If I tell them about the divorce they can just hate me... I'll be the martyr" Ugh. 1 person likes this

@thinkingoutloud (6127)
• Canada
23 Jun 11
haven't met him dawnald... but had one like him at one point in my life, I do believe. For the record, mine did get into a new relationship before the divorce was even final and he went from being "Father of the Year" to moving all the way across the country and having nothing to do with his kids anymore. She did have a daughter but it wasn't a factor because she was already old enough to be living away from home and didn't have a tight relationship with her mother in the first place. He told me once, during an argument in the divorce process, that his life had been "ruined" ~ guess mine was a bed of roses? 
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
23 Jun 11
I wouldn't be at all surprised.
It's Dawn, btw...

@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
21 Jun 11
(Looking around, wondering we your R is also my R) Excuses, excuses, wow, where have I heard that before..Has he also said things like, "Oh, go tell your online friends how bad I am?" Geez, get a life...
Sorry, I had to vent a little myself...Some men might abandon their own children, but not all. I think he is making excuses to stay there as long as possible, and the remark about you not saying how important it was for you to be there is another excuse..Has he always made excuses? I wonder about people like this, who do things their way and have an excuse for why they did it, whether it is true or not...
BTW, you don't want to know what I am going through right now, got a stupid math instructor who I more or less wrote off..I am not writing off the class, but will NEVER go to him for any help at all...


@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
21 Jun 11
I don't even want to imagine being married to this guy...
Yep, your R sounds more and more like mine, so much so it's scary...
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@celticeagle (189833)
• Boise, Idaho
23 Jun 11
My goodness. How insulting. If that were true I would have told you to divorce the moron years ago!!
Oh my goodness. His mom wants him to go live with her. That is funny! I bet she is a piece of work herself.
Men and other relationships-SOme do what he said and some don't. Depends on the circumstances and the man9and the ex wife)! I doubt he will get into a relationship until and far beyond the kids being grown and it has nothing to do with what he has stated. He has some issues that women in his age group would not usually put up with unless they are damamged also.
NOTE* I just fire from the hip and if I ever say anything you feel is disrespectful please let me know. I just state it as I feel it. Life is too short to candy coat any of what I think, feel, or see.
@celticeagle (189833)
• Boise, Idaho
23 Jun 11
That's what you will get from me. And I was thinking that was the case with his mother.
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@PointlessQuestions (15397)
• United States
22 Jun 11
Hi Dawn... You used an oxymoron that I love..'good grief'... (I love oxymorons.. my name is one.)
Ummm your husband sounds like he is some kind of tool. He will listen to you if you somehow make him know it is important to you? I don't know what to say about all that you have mentioned here, but I think he is smoking some wacky weed or something.
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@PointlessQuestions (15397)
• United States
22 Jun 11
My favorite one is 'speed up to stop' I used to tell my dad he drove so slow he'd have to speed up to stop. He didn't get it.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Jul 11
I'm one of those people who takes relationship problems with a grain of salt because you usually only hear one side of the story. You Dawn, usually give the other side as well and I hear the scorn and derision but I still think you describe events in a fair way.
I have to come down to one opinion and one only as far as R is concerned and that is that his brain is scrambled. He makes no sense at all.
How can he be saying he wants to try again and expect you to take him seriously when he is obviously thinking about getting it on with someone new before he has even left the home? And where does he get his ridiculous ideas from like the one about it being the dad's job to deliver bad news when you had both discussed together in detail on more than one occasion how you would tell the kids together? Or the one about forgetting his own kids in favour of his fantasy woman's kids? How would his kids like to hear about that idea? They'd be thrilled I'm sure to know that is what their Dad believes. Who says he will meet someone else? Who says she will have kids? Who says fathers forget their own in favour of the others? It's been my experience that it's the other way round. My kids have been overlooked in preference to the guy's own children.
If you had listened to us you would have avoided all this carp he goes on with.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
5 Jul 11
I don't take him seriously. Drives him nuts, I think. 

@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
21 Jun 11
Don't kill me but I think R was just being R, a soon to be Ex husband. He seee it this way, he had a good wife until she went online and heard all these stupid ideas on life and now wants to leave. So since you are with the kids more , he will be deemed the bad guy. So Why not tell them about the divorce. He doesn't know this new you so he isn't going to open up anymore , if he ever really did. and as for not seeing anyone, he Knows that if he found a woman who loves him, meaning will be whom he wants, and she had kids , he would naturally play dad to them more. The vow is a good idea . But realistic? I'm not sure.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
22 Jun 11
Yes. If you return to being the wife he married. Sadly it won't happen. So to him you have changed and for the worse. Just remember that and everything he does will make sense in a very sad way.
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@BarBaraPrz (51819)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
22 Jun 11
And who did what to it before you had custody of it...
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@yoyo1198 (3641)
• United States
22 Jun 11
Sounds like his thought processes have become muddled. He'll change his mind about not becoming involved with 'anyone'. He's male. They are always thinking with the smaller head.
And, yes, I would have had him out of the house so fast he'd have a permanent burn from the wind turbulence.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
22 Jun 11
My aunt Rita thinks I should just mail his stuff to his mother. 



@hotsummer (13919)
• Philippines
22 Jun 11
i just hope that he won't hurt the kids and that he would be able to give his time also for his children even if he is already away from your home.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
22 Jun 11
If he hurts them, it will be emotionally, not physically.
@Sandra1952 (6047)
• Spain
21 Jun 11
Hello, Dawn. What a w***ker you have on your hands - it's just a pity his father wasn't, then there'd be no problem. As it is, you have a husband surplus to requirements who doesn't know when it's time to take the final bow. So he has to lay the blame on you, and make you doubt your own reasoning. You're too smart to fall for that, but it's still upsetting.
My evening? My husband said he'd leave if he had somewhere to go. I said, 'Don't let that stop you.' He's still here, unfortunately. Men, who needs 'em? We certainly don't, ut they won't go quietly.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
21 Jun 11
Perhaps we could send him and R to the same place? :D
@hardworkinggurl (37062)
• United States
21 Jun 11
I got a few gitters reading your discussion as I too went through this myself. See I was never looked at as if I had my opinion as obviously girlfriends influenced me on my feelings and or my responses to the ex. Grrrr!
For me I found that it was that I was always the one to so to speak give in and therefore, when I would not give in any longer somehow I could not think for myself and was influenced by others.
I believe that R is just trying to make you feel guilty as he does not want the situation to be as it is therefore and perhaps this is a way of manipulating the situation. Reason why he continues is that whatever it is subconsciously it is not working therefore, he twists all esle there after is my thoughts.
My day was long and tiring, was out all day, as I had a very early start and got in a few hours ago.
@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
21 Jun 11
It's just so damn insulting thinking that I can't think these things through without somebody telling me what to think, say and do.
@fabsprecious (1565)
• United States
22 Jun 11
Wow, it seems like you had a very intersting and productive evening. I think you have a every right to be upset, he had no right to give that news to the kids, especially without letting you know prior. That's the type of news that should be done mutually. That theory of being the bad person, because he was delivering the news is B.S. (if you know what I mean). He's just using the internet as an excuse, because he knows what he did was wrong and he wants to make you feel like you are the one at fault. Apparently it seems he's the type of person that doesn't like to admit the fact he has made a mistake and prefers to blame others for his faults.
I wish you the best of luck!!!
My night was actually a bit more calm, all I did was cook dinner and go straight to bed, I had an exhausting and extremely busy day at work.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
22 Jun 11
He makes a lot of excuses too. It's almost always somebody else's fault...
@fabsprecious (1565)
• United States
23 Jun 11
Yeah, I know what you are going through, it seems like everyone else but themselves are at fault. And the worst part about it is that they try to make you feel guilty for their own freakin' mistakes.
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@jillhill (37353)
• United States
21 Jun 11
I do think it does depend on the person.but that is exactly what my ex did...got a girlfriend and the kids were left behind...waiting for him to show up just to call two hours after he was late to say he wouldn't be able to make it....hurt feelings? To this day my kids have hurt feelings! Now that they are older he tries to make it up to them....like a spoken word...and action can't always be forgiven by an I'm sorry...My evening was quiet....and that was a good thing!
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
21 Jun 11
He keeps thinking that "I'm sorry" will fix everything. But the behavior never changes...
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Jun 11
hi dawn wow he sure does not credit you with having you o wn opinions
amd thus have to depend of all of us to tell you what to do. He must
not have a very good opinion of women in general then. Most of us can
certainly makeup our own minds about what we want to do,even if we ask'others for their input. Maybe he got hold of some really strong
cannabis lol.After having raised your children he thinks you are just an ignorant little woman? Thats really sad and I c an see why you divorced
him.Its really past time he move on as he cannot expect to stay with you divorced like that forever surely .wow. My evening was great and
quiet as it usually is here at Gold Crest.. lol lol lol a
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
21 Jun 11
He kept saying that what I was saying and doing didn't sound like me. I think it just wasn't what he wanted to hear.
@bunnybon7 (50970)
• Holiday, Florida
21 Jun 11
at least yours was interesting. mine was the same ol' same ol'. yes most men are that way. they will communicate with the world but not with the wife/partner or whatever.
he must have an issue with his dad growing up. is it possible his dad got another family?
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
21 Jun 11
You apparently have more patience than I do.
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