What are your personal experiences with unions?

@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
July 12, 2011 1:16pm CST
There have been a lot of battles going on in various states over union powers or union "rights" as those who support them say. People support and oppose unions for various reasons, but I wonder how many people actually have personal experience with unions and what those experiences are. Personally, I have never been a member of a union until 2010. Florida was a right to work state so I was never forced to be in one there. In the library I worked at in Orlando only the librarians were unionized, while other employees were not. The union made sure that librarians were not asked to do any work outside of their job description. They also made sure that librarians got raises based on a schedule and not on merit. Other employees got performance evaluations that determined their raises. Since I worked hard and got good evaluations, I was glad that I was NOT in a union. I had excellent benefits, although insurance for my wife and I was a bit pricey ($168 per biweekly paycheck, which went up to $192 when they raised the rates in 2007). There was a union when I worked for the Miami-Dade County Library System as well. I chose not to be a member and, by law, they can not force me to be a member. They require written authorization the deduct dues. The only thing I ever saw the union do there was make sure that incompetent employees kept their jobs. We had a guy who would regularly ditch work, not come back from lunch, show up several hours late for his shifts, often hung over and he could not be fired. They would argue that the formal and informal counselings were not "disciplinary action" according to union rules and that disciplinary action must be taken in steps. When my manager followed those steps they fought him every step of the way arguing over errors as small as 2 minutes when describing how many hours late this employee was. It seemed that their primary goal was to promote incompetence. Now I'm in New Jersey and here I was forced to be in a union. This is not a right to work state. The latest union contract was approved in 2004 and expired in 2008. Since then, nobody has had a raise. There have been no cost of living increases in pay. The union however, has continued to collect dues and somehow convinced people a couple months ago to almost double the amount of dues being paid for them to do nothing. The only direct dealing I have had with this union was when I was counseled (read scolded) for working outside my job title. In other words, I worked a bit too hard, going above and beyond. This is something that's usually rewarded by employers, but the union doesn't want anyone to work too hard. The only thing the union has been doing aside from that is constantly sending emails bashing Chris Christie. They said he hates workers because he doesn't want people fired for gross misconduct (read: criminal activity) to collect unemployment benefits. Now they're complaining that he's a horrible person for wanting employees to actually pay a very small amount towards their insurance and pensions (which used to be free). Of course none of the new laws going into effect would matter if they'd negotiated a contract in the last 3 years. I'd be more than happy to be without them So what are your experiences? Do you feel unions have helped you?
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
12 Jul 11
When I went to work for Mountain Bell back in 1979 we had the CwA backing us. We even had a strike that lasted one week. I was freaking and it was over just before I totally lost it. That is the Communication Worker's of America. But then in the eary 80's I guess it was Idaho became a right to work state and the CWA went by the way side. Yes, I feel unions have helped me. They have your back. But you may get a rep for following them too. So you have to balance the two.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Jul 11
See that's one of the things I really don't like about unions, strikes. I can tell you right now that if I ever had employees that went on strike, I'd fire each and every one of them without warning and without exception. It's job abandonment, plain and simple.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
13 Jul 11
Back then things were alot different when there were unions. A company could get in alot of trouble if you fired people during a strike. They are striking because the contract is up and they are trying to get better pay and a better job environment. Firing only adds to the flames. Doesn't solve anything. And it can hurt your business in the long run.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Jul 11
A business can't run if people aren't coming to work. If they're not coming to work they should be fired and replaced with people who will do their jobs. Call me crazy, but I think that people who want better pay should earn it through hard work, not by abandoning their jobs.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
12 Jul 11
Having never worked at a union shop, I have never had any personal experience with them. But I will relate a story an old supervisor of mine once told me. He used to work for an envelope plant, connected with James River Paper Company. He was a night shift foreman. If you have ever worked the night shift in a manufacturing plant (I did for 12 years) you know that you have to be a little more independent and self sufficient as a shift. There simply is not the number pf personal around that there is during the day. Anyways, one evening, the envelope converting machines were running out of the cut blanks they fed in to the machines to make the envelopes. During the day, there was a dedicated man who ran the cutter that cut and scored the blanks. the position was not normally filled on the night shift and it was up to the day shift to make sure there were enough for the night shift to run. On this particular day, the cutter had broken down for a while. After it had been repaired, there was about a half hour left to the shift. So, the operator worked right up until his shift end and then punched out (per union rules), leaving the night shift short rather than spend the extra 15 minutes or so it would have taken to make enough for the night shift to make it until morning. So, the foreman went over, fired up the cutter and cut enough blanks to get the shift through. Well apparently this was not the proper procedure. He was supposed to call in the cutter to have him do it as per union rules. As per standard industry practice, he would get 4 hours pay for coming in, even if he was only there for the 15 minutes it would have taken to cut enough blanks to get through. When the cutter came in the next morning and found out someone cut the blanks rather than call him in, he raised a major fit. He even went to the shop union steward over it. Not only did the foreman get a write up for not calling in the guy, but the cutter bytched enough so that he also got that 4 hours pay, even though he didn't come in. Campbell envelope and James River are both now long out of business. Yay union!
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Jul 11
Sounds like a typical union situation. They make the rules so rigid that you can sometimes get screwed no matter what you do while those who play and milk the system can do ok. My situation was a bit more mundane. I am a librarian, but my current position is Circulation Services Manager. A patron needed help getting information and they were in a hurry. There was only one librarian on duty at the time and she was busy helping someone else. Since I had nothing else to do at the moment I went and helped the patron. After all, I'm a qualified, certified librarian with an MLS. It would be poor customer service to sit there and watch the patron wait while I'm ready and able to help. Once word got out what I did, and it got out pretty fast, I was brought to a meeting with my manager, the HR manager, and the union rep to explain to me why I was wrong and that, not only should I not help the patron as I did, but if a librarian is not present, I should tell the patron to call a librarian on the phone at another branch so they can help her.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
12 Jul 11
My experience has been with public sector Unions - teachers unions. I have been on both sides and feel the Union is more important than the teachers or children. We had one teacher who had a high risk pregnancy and several teachers were willing to donate sick days to her to help her out. The administration and the school board were willing to talk but the union wanted it to become a permanent part of the contract and every teacher could take from the sick leave bank. A number of us opposed such general language because we knew of a couple of teachers who abused the sick leave and we did not want to have the program that could be abused. The idea failed because of the Union. As a School Administrator I was blocked several times from transferring aids because of seniority. We had to give the open position to the most senior person. In another case I had to let go an excellent teacher so that a less qualified senior teacher could take the position and not get laid off. I have had teachers who got a provisional license from the State so that they could teach another subject and avoid lay off because they were senior. If the State gave them a license that means they are qualified according to the Union. Never in all my years did the Union do something just for the Kids it was always to benefit the senior teacher or the Union leadership.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Jul 11
I do hate the way unions can ruin such a simple thing as sharing sick days. It's because of situations like that that so many jobs ban the practice. The seniority thing also bugs me. One of the union rules I've had to put up with is that I have to consider certain people for promotions based on seniority. If 3 people with a certain level of seniority apply for a promotion, I MUST give it to one of them and ignore all other applicants. This can be frustrating because there are a number of functionally useless people in this library system who have that level of seniority. There is a REASON they have never been promoted. I sometimes end up having to choose the "best of what's left".
@SheliaLee (2736)
• United States
13 Jul 11
Several years ago I worked for Tennessee Valley Authority and I joined the union for clerical workers. They helped me get retroactive pay back to the day I was hired so I did benefit from being a member. My husband is the treasurer for his union branch and has been for several years. Back in 1997 the postmaster at the post office where he works was very much against unions and he went after all the officers trying to find ways to fire them, including making up lies. My husband suffered from a result of this man's dastardly deeds. He had the supervisors who worked under him make up lies about my husband and then put him on emergency suspension without pay for three months. Thank the Lord I had started working out of our home at the time and was able, with the Lord's help, to make enough money during this time to keep our bills paid. The president of his branch went to bat for my husband and was able to get his job back along with back pay for the time he was off. I have to admit I don't always agree with everything unions do, but overall I am glad they are here because they have helped my family. Thanks for listening :)
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
13 Jul 11
I am currently an Union Member and well I have found this Union to be for the most part on top of their game when it comes to making sure we stay inform with whats going on. The most recent contract we are under expires in 2013 and it is well written. I get wage increases once a year on the anniversary of me being hired. I am what they call vested after 5 years (I get to retire under the Union Pension). The contract covers what the Company can and can't ask me to do. It covers the late issue as well as not showing up which in both cases the first 3 the company can't really do anything about it but ask why you where late or why you didn't show these days. But if you get 12 of these within a 6 month period they will give you a termination letter and then you grieve it and in general the Union will back you up. Which means you get to keep your job. The Union I am apart of does print newsletters that are generally fairly propaganda based. I mean they posted the CEO's per hour rate of like 5000 per hour. I am like well he is on call 24/7 The only issue I have is when someone who has been hired for 5 years but has only actually showed up for work a year worth of time and the Union defends him for it. This is a person who should be fired and not even be able to get unemployment. I like my Union they are responsive and they do make sure to cover enough in the contract to limit both the company and the union members to what each others job is. I can do somethings that management would normally do. Like I could if the company wanted me to train people. They would have to give me a .50 cent raise for doing this. I also get a raise when I do some other jobs but I am not limited to much as far as the operation goes in what I can't do. The only things I can't do is management work or non-union work and things I have not be trained to do. The contract also allows me to work at a safe speed so that I don't injure myself or others by working faster than what I am comfortable. I am still a hard worker and really most of the time don't really thing of the Union Contract or the fact that I am a Union Member and the management are some evil group trying to bring me down. Also my local seems to be juggling the hard workers and the not so hard workers (read shouldn't be employed) because in recent months the hard workers are getting kind angry that a small number of the people are not showing up and not working to their potential which is what all hard workers hate. To comment on something its known as the 80 20 which is 80 percent of your problems comes from 20% of your people. So if you have an issue with Unions it is most likely 20% that you have an issue with. If you are running a business and their are problems it is generally from 20%. Its just how it works a very low number of people can cause an issue that effects 80%.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
15 Jul 11
I have never been in a union either but I have had some friends that were. Unions do protect the incompetent and there is a huge difference in the way they are treated compared to non members. Pay rates are different too...they are paid quite a bit more for the same job. Discipline was even limited to the union officials as far as I knew. I have heard that unions have caused many companies to go out of business too. There isn't alot of unions in my area. Companies here avoid that at all cost. I worked at this one place that had to vote on being union or not and the people voted it out.