Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

Who knows! Supposedly Obummer has his czars keeping their eyes on everything including Internet forums. Although Obummer said in his speech the other day that he never reads or watch anything that is detrimental to him.

That is totally true, but if they can't afford to send the money to seniors, they wouldn't be able to afford to pay everyone back what they paid in either. It really sucks, but what can we do? I don't think there are any politicians who are members of this site so they will never know how we feel about this.

Here Here!! Agree 100%. But then if they let those of us who have been there and seen what these cuts are doing to the Disabled, and had to live our lives for 1 month maybe then they would see. If they would quit bailing out the Big Business and making us small Tax Payers foot the bills while raising our Interest rates, and taking away our Medical, jobs, better schooling help, etc. we would be better off.

What we really need to do is to get rid of ALL the politicians and start over. We could then bring all the military home and stop that spending and we could get rid of the bills that really don't need to be paid so that we can start taking care of the people, especially those who aren't rich. It is really not fair that we have to foot the bill for the rich so they can gallivant around the country/world while the lower income people struggle to survive!

Seems he is really bringing his Chicago Thug habits into the White House.

I am also sure that John Boehner isn't going forgo his numerous vacations paid for by lobbyist, and expensive dinners that corporations take him to and write off their taxes. I live in Ohio, and I have NEVER seen anyone from Ohio that has a YEAR ROUND TAN!!!! It amazes me how republicans ignore facts even if they slap them in their face. It was republicans that made this a mandate on spending, not Obama. It was also republicans that want to cuts spending, as long as it isn't for corporate jets, or anything their lobbyist don't approve of. If you do some research, you will learn the facts, not just the talking points from one side

I never said that Republicans were blameless. Politicians, as a rule, spend money like it was water because they're not held accountable. If you'd quit blaming everything on the Republicans, you'd see that Democrats are at fault, too.

Oh, give me a break. It's our fault because our government doesn't know how to handle funds that were never theirs? And we GAVE it to them? I don't think so. You don't understand how it works. We paid into Social Security because it's the law. There is no choice, even now. Try to not pay it and see what happens. Why haven't you voted it out? Why haven't you changed it, if it's so bad? What's wrong with you, that you haven't fixed it yet??? Good grief. Go ahead and point your finger. If you live long enough, someone will be pointing their finger at you and telling you how you messed up.

White, I have paid into the system for over 20 years, and I know that I will NEVER see any of that money when I am your age. So why should I support your retirement, when I will have to save my own money to retire myself? Did you vote for GWB, when he took the Social Security surplus and gave it to the wealthy Americans? I bet you would have rather had that money saved for a time like now.

No.... Sorry.... YOUR MONEY.... IS GONE GONE! Let me repeat that for the crowd... WhiteHeather's money is GONE. You gave your cash to the government... and it *SPENT IT*. Do you understand how the social security system works? Here is how it is designed to work. There is no bank account. There are no investments. Every single dollar that goes into social security, goes to one of two places. A: It goes to other social security recipients, and they spend it... and it is gone. B: Every dollar that is MORE than what is required to pay current recipients, is then used to purchase government bonds. What does that mean? Ok, if social security requires $4 Billion, and it collects $5 Billion, that is $1 Billion dollars surplus (sound familiar?). The Social Security Administration then takes that $1 Billion surplus, and buys Government bonds. In other words, an IOU. The Federal Government gets that money, and puts it into the general budget...... where.... *IT IS SPENT*.... AND IS GONE! There is no account. There is no money. There is no Social Security "trust fund". All there is... is a pile IOUs. A pile of government bonds. [u][b] AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE CASH TO PAY BACK THOSE BONDS[/b][/u] The government is broke. Sorry.... you paid into a snake oil investment, and the money is gone. GONE. THERE IS NO MONEY. You gave your money to government because FDR said he was 'for the little guy', and now the money is gone, government is broke, and the budget MUST be cut. Your fault. YOUR FAULT. Don't blame me. I'm 34 years old. I didn't vote like an idiot for a system that doesn't work. It wasn't my generation that screwed everything up. No excuses from the prior generation please. I don't want to hear it.

Crossbones you said "He has proposed to make cuts to medicare and medicaid. He even said he would make cuts to social security. The President campaigned that he would never cut social security since it pays for itself. Now he did say he might have to make modifications to it because people are living a lot longer." So he is a liar and has his Obamacare in motion so that he can make sure the people do not live longer. Is is young people like you who keep this puppet in office who is only following orders from people like George Soros who is Obama's puppet-master and Obama is most likely making a lot of money while betraying our country. I was a staunch Democrat before Obama came in and contaminated the whole Democratic party.

Sorry Quita I posted the above comment to the wrong response. BTW Crossbones is only 34 year old and has a lot to learn. Hell we have been paying into SS since before he was born.

It's quite ok. YOu and I and thousands like us will suffer but you are right as rain! Obama is a puppet and he is being dangled in ways that hurt us seniors and our service men. Who does he think serves/fights for us? Does his family need any kind of benefits? NO! and we don't even really know he deserves to be president. Sad, sad. In the end, the young people will see this when their own grandmas and grand daddy's die cuz they cannot eat or pay bills and are forced to live off their kids or worse..... I, myself have talked to my son about maybe living with them, but they have 3 boys and are short of room as it is, so hubby and I'll be doing what?? Seriously, we do not know.......... I hope people like this Crossbones isn't the majority but my guess is she is. AARP even backs Obama and that too sucks. This is a sad world when the elderly suffer due to the hands of a puppet and his maker...... God bless you White Heather..seems you and I can see the writing on the wall and others dont' say a word. I hope the next post we make is a more positive one....... hugs, as always, quita

crossbones I posted my comment to you at the wrong response. Please see my comment to you at Response # 12.

How old are you? Do you get a SS check every month? Does your husband get a VA check for fighting for our country as mine did.? My husband was a POW twice THAT IS A PRISONER OF WAR, did three tours of duty for our country in Nam and now this man who calls himself a President wants to hold his money? My husband signed a legal contract with the VA,a government institution , I might add and he deserves this money. The money the politicians have been stealing out of SS and VA should never have been touched. We , the people are not the guilty parties here, the politicians are. I don't give a tinkers' damn about Obama and his threats......he's only a puppet for some higher ups who have paid him millions to do what he is doing now. He doesn't use his own mind, his advisors tell him what to do and say... I hope you feel the pinch when we dont get our checks on the third....... How would you feel if your paycheck was cut off and you still had to work? and for no other reason but cuz some politicians say so....?? SS people, like me and White Heather have worked our entire lives for SS and you tell me the pres is doing this as a favor for our wonderful coutry??????????? We can't fix this unless we stand up for our rights and people get in their damned heads that us old folks need money too, have paid our part in working and the Veterans have paid their part by putting their lives on the line........... Our age alone stops us from taking on jobs.........., how do they politicians expect us to buy groceries or pay our bills.? Even if we are able to physically work, what employer in his right mind would hire and old person? Besides, the unemployment rate met a much higher percentage right?? How can anyone in a political office, not understand that the people have rights too and tho even us old folks don't mind giving a penny or two, we do without anyway cuz we now get no cost of living.........neither does my husband and thousands of other veterans regardless of the wars they fought in. Everything we eat, wear and utilities, gas ...all things that are necessities have shot up in price and now we will have no money to even buy food.........where does that put us millions of seniors? And Veterans? On welfare? Do you want to take us into your home?? I want you to think about this really hard as there is nobody in the oval office or any government office wanting to help us. They give themselves a raise every stinking month, why do we old folks and veterans have to be the ones who pay for them to live high on the hog ? I , myself, wont be able to live too long if my money is not sent to me next month. This is criminal to old people............and veterans alike. Ha! I don't see the Pres. is bending over backwards .........he is wanting the senior and veteran vote..........how convenient for him, huh? I do pray he is not elected for another term............ Do some thinking .... and try being in our shoes............

I am pretty much in your shoes. I have been unemployed for over a year now. The unemployment rate is at 13.2 percent in my area. So yes I can relate to your pain. The thing is you are blaming the President when the Republicans want to make Medicare/Medicaid into a voucher program. They keep saying Social Security is adding to the deficit when it is not, because people pay their hard earned money into it, so they can have extra money coming in when they retire. I am sure you already know that since you worked you whole life. To top it off they want to give tax breaks to the rich when it is already at the lowest since 1958. It is pretty sad when some one who makes 25,000 a year is paying more in taxes than these hedge fund managers. The funny thing is people keep voting these people in. Obviously they only care about rich people. Which is weird considering that only 1 to 2 percent of Americans are considered rich. So either a lot of people think they are rich, or they like getting screwed over. If you want to blame Obama, blame him for being a wimp for always caving in to these people who want to destroy the poor and middle class people. Anyway I saw on the news where you can go to this website and sign a petition for Social Security. Basically it is just a petition that says people don't want no cuts to Social Security. The website is called: http://strengthensocialsecurity.org/

Technically "my" elected officials are Canadian, and have nothing to do with this. I am a Canadian, and my husband is an American living in Canada. But I agree, someone needs to stop this!

If I thought it would do any good I would go with your. It seems our wimpy elected officials are afraid to say word against him. They have have too much to lose with all their benefits to piss him off.

I like your brand of discussoins this moring Americans true Americans SHould be up in arms about al thwe spending He does he needs to stop his spending and giving away our money to other countries! Pay us back Obama and you wouldnt be able to threaten any one!

Thank you Lakota !! I've been doing my own brand of "discussing" this morning and you just hit the nail on the head !! Yeahhhhhhhhhhh, hugssssssssssssss

If you were forced to pay into social security, it is your money and you should be getting it when you are at the age of retirement or senior citizens. It is the same as our Canada Pensions up here. If we made a certain income, we had to pay so much into the Canada Pension that was not like our Retirement Funds, voluntary. And everyone had part of their paycheck deducted to pay for social assistance that was to pay the seniors when they reached 65. That money taken our of your paychecks like ours was given to the government, o they could invest it and gain more money for the retireees. We all know that had this money been invested wisely, there would have been no trouble. It was not so they could have a spending spree and believe it the democrats were more inclined to spend then the republicans. Or is there a double standard? The democrats cn spent and waste more and get no blame? Yet even a little spending by the republicans is to be blamed. Let me see. Obama spent more at his inauguration and put America at over a trillion or so of debt more then Bush did (not sure of the exact figure), yet he can get away with it because he is a Democrat and also part Black.

give it up Debater. it isn't about republicans vs. democrats. Our government is corrupt on both sides. Social Security was something they took from us with the intent on helping us in our retirement. And it worked for years. The government has been robbing from this with the promise of replacing it now for years on both sides. It is much like borrowing from your kids college fund and not putting the money back only this is worse. When borrow from your child's education money at least you are borrowing from money you earned and put there. When the government borrows from our Social Security then they are borrowing from money that they took for us. They are borrowing our money without our permission and not paying it back and for whatever freakin reason, Debator, you think we shouldn't be angry??? For the life of me, I can't understand why you yourself are not angry

Wasn't it the republicans who refused to extend the ceiling without huge spending cuts? So who was blackmailing how?

Really?? Are you for real here right now? The government literally takes this money out of our pay checks under the premise that we will get it back when we retire!!! That is the story we are told by the government and it goes way back. We don't have a "choice"....this is our government "forcing" us to save for retirement when in reality they have stolen from us!! It's the law...there is no choice. Social Security is NOT a dam handout!!!Maybe before you start running your fingers across the keyboard you might want to know what you are actually talking about. If you live in the US then you should be as pist as everyone else is. If you don't live in the US then there is now way you could understand and shouldn't be so judgemental.

WOW!!! just looked at your profile and you do actually live in the US. You are really ok with the government taking money from you each week and telling you it is for your retirement and then not giving it to you when you retire because they've spent it on other things that really have nothing at all to do with you and in no way benefited you??? Well if you are so ok with it, can they take the amount that I give each week out of YOUR check instead of mine?

The government can pay the interest on the debt and pay out ssi and the vets....if they cut other things out that are not important....and without raising taxes. There are tons of wasted money and bs programs that could be cut in order to pay for the important things...they just don't want to.

Apparently , you are not too old either.... Make the payment? how do they do that? do they go ahead and raise the debt ceiling? And,which ones are considered in "dire need?" and I can go on and on....... Truth is, there is fear here....loads of it and most of it is bull s**t due to a government that cannot work together regardless of party. Why not come together in our "hour of need" and take the money of the Pres and our state reps and pay us elders and veterans the money we HAVE to HAVE just to live. Sure there is fear here. I don't want to be cold in the winter cuz I have no power for heat, or power of air conditioning.., or to eat, etc.... Just think about YOUR every day needs and think of us elders and veterans who will not have the same monies to help them. I have a or maybe I'll have a check coming in Aug.............and if I don't, how do I buy groceries or pay my bills, let alone go to the drs office with a complaint? Fear is what makes us stronger if we handle it right and not let it get out of hand. This is the reason for mylot. We discuss. The government isn't discussing at all. They are worrying about who wins the election in 2012!! Now, you think on that when you say too much fear mongering..... could be, the world as YOU know it too, changes.....get your saving accounts out and bury it in a jar in the back yard and be prepared to use it... The government is going to make sure we are not going to have a penny to our name if we don't FEAR for ourselves.

I totally agree! (From your lips to God's ears!! Amen)

And, I do too and God bless you both !! quita

That's exactly right. The fact they get to choose who gets paid, how much they get paid, and even if they get paid, goes to show the true nature of the beast. You pay in because you HAVE to pay in by law. They preach about it being for social safety nets. But as soon as they need it for something else, it's gone. The American people work damn hard and have their money taken away. Yes, it is definitely an inflated entitlement in some cases, but that's the fault of the government. They could have always allowed people to keep that money and invest it themselves. But, then, what use would we have for them? They're like the mafia up there.

I could not have said it better myself.

Keep Praying; be a "watchman on the wall"; exercise due diligence wherever possible. Thanks for the great discussion. I too will be directly impacted should it occur that benefits not be forthcoming, but we all will suffer unimaginably should this treason continue.

I really think you missing the point by saying your mil draws when she shouldn't. there are thousands who do and our social services are responsible for this not happening, but it seems they too draw a government wage, right? Get rid of our current President and maybe we older people will live in some measure of comfort and not be humiliated to live in a slum bucket.

I cannot believe that The United States of America allows itself to be blackmailed into letting this so-called president get his own way. No matter who he hurts, he is a first rate S.O.B. and has no shame in letting the American citizens know he is holding them over a barrel. Last time he also threatened our Military Paychecks that will probably be next on his list of threats!

Right vs. Left aside, it is 100% a threat, in the sense that the government decides how to allocate all the money it takes in. (In a "fair" world, Americans' tax dollars would be spent in a way Americans deemed fit, not a gargantuan government whose entire purpose of getting elected is to get reelected! ) So if they choose to not pay SS payments and instead pay down more debt so that whole hypothetical "default" thing doesn't happen, they're doing it because they choose to. They could just as easily send the SS payments out and withhold their checks - "their," of course, being every politician. They could pay out the checks and cut NASA off for a while. They could pay out the checks and take a month off of uberdefense spending while they checked out other options. Etc... But what are those odds? The whole "you want helpless people to die" line is a much bigger threat. It grabs attention and actually affects lives. But I believe you're 100% right - they do not care. The most telling thing to me is that they continue to take in their money, to run up their tabs for lunches and parties, to continue to travel around in luxury regardless. America's government has turned into the biggest pyramid scheme in history. Only worse. We didn't choose to invest. They steal the money whether we want them to or not. Withhold that money and they'll throw you in prison.