me"Lovei s not supposed to hurt" Her" love is sacrifice, he hurt me but I love

@Hatley (163781)
Garden Grove, California
November 5, 2011 5:32pm CST
I was reading this discussion with the wife defending him although he hurt her,and saying he cannot control his anger. I felt I should warn her that wife batterers start out just like'that and that love is not supposed to hurt., Now am wondering if I leaped to conclusions but something in the tone of her discussion led me to believe he had hit her.She lives in Indonesia. Cultures' may differ but nowhere do I fell husbands should Hit their wives. Am I wrong, did I give her bad advice, I never experienced this kind of behavior from my own husband. your take please.
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@tech2d (338)
• United States
5 Nov 11
Well Hatley, here in the good ol' US of A, this is illegal. However, in other countries, this is considered ok. Now, I would not say that you gave her the wrong advice because it varies from country to country. I will say this....wherever you are....I agree...love should not hurt!
• United States
5 Nov 11
tech said everything I was thinking, here it is illegal, but unfortunately in some other countries a man has a right to beat his wife which is totally wrong...
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Nov 11
hi tech2d me too I am from the good old U SA too, born in South Dakota and ended up in A rizona and now California. Yes I am so vehement about love not supposed to hurt as I have met several women who swore they still loved their mates. battered, both eyes black how can they say they love someone who does that to them? I know they started out to love them but I could notlove a man who hit me, not at all.
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@webeishere (36313)
• United States
6 Nov 11
I agree fully. IHAPPY POSTINGS FROM GRANDPA BOB!!~
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@se7enthbird (8307)
• Philippines
6 Nov 11
i agree with you that love should not hurt... whether it is physical, emotional or mental... love should always be the home where you can run to. love should be a safe place, love is where you will feel alive. now if it is hurting then that is no longer love. love has respect and understanding if a guy hits you then where is the respect. i am a guy and i am really pissed when a guy hits a woman they call wife/partner. for me he is a coward that can not find someone with his own size.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Nov 11
yes you are so right and its hard to understand but they must have hidden reasons only they themselves know. so we can only help when they themselves see they need help. I have advised so many to get help but then they were mostly from here in the states or in Britain,. sad but ultimately they must want the help.
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• Philippines
6 Nov 11
there are people, no matter what country you live in... they enjoy getting hit. even you tell them to get out of the situation they are coming back... seems to me that they are coming back for more har har har. i too would help someone who would like to get out of a battering situation but, hatley we can only help much. i =t should start from themselves. if they have also respect for themselves then they will not allow someone they love hit them.
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@celticeagle (159585)
• Boise, Idaho
6 Nov 11
Love isn't supposed to hurt. And men who have anger problems get worse instead of better. In some countries women have no rights and live as old world citizens. No, I don't think you are wrong at all. I think that some women almost expect some mistreatment in these countries.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Nov 11
hi lost my comment., I think no man anywhere should hit his woman ever and so I did give her good advice and I hope she realizes she does not deserve to be hurt.I think there are alternatives in most any countries if wives who are battered just stand up and go get help.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
10 Nov 11
hi celticeagle yes a lot are made to think that it is their fault that they were hit not realizing thy women are not made to be hit and hurt. hope this mylotter will listen to our advice and see help before its too late.
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@celticeagle (159585)
• Boise, Idaho
8 Nov 11
Most are weak and just not thinking straight from being brain washed.
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@blue65packer (11826)
• United States
6 Nov 11
I was never hurt,physically by a boyfriend. Mentally yes. I was scared I would be hurt by one boyfriend because he had a really bad temper! With some cultures woman have no rights and are treated like crap! I know in some cultures woman are killed for not prdoucing a son! Of course this should not be happening in any part of the world! I feel sorry for those woman! I am so glad I live in the US! You gave this woman the advice you thought was right. She maybe never will use it or understand it. She is stuck in this marriage most likely and was reaching out.That is what I am thinking. I hope her husband doesn't get more violent with her!
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Nov 11
hi blue65packer I was so l u cky with my husband as he was so kind and gentle a nd funny and full of laughter. not everyone is so fortunate I know. I miss him although I have been a widow for m any years. I justhope the m an do es not hurt her any nore. I feel for her I re ally do
@sql_cell (1427)
• Indonesia
6 Nov 11
I live in Indonesia. Most Indonesian women, relented, and devoted to their husbands. There are many women, who still survive, though painful marriage, and unhappy. Each woman has their own reasons, why persist. I also have a wife, a very obedient, and great respect for me, although sometimes I am rude to my wife. Perhaps, because of culture, and upbringing since childhood, which makes many Indonesian women still maintain the marriage, although it should not be happy. But, there is also an Indonesian woman, who chose divorce, because marriage is not happy.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Nov 11
hi thanks for some insights and for being a loving husband to yoyur wife. as for being rude that is something tghat can happen to anyoine in any co untry. b ut you are saying you love your wife and that is refreshing to hear. I caqnnot knock your customs as they are yours and I respect them as I would have you respect my customs too. mylot is a wonderful place to learn from each other as we are human beings and children of /God.
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• China
6 Nov 11
It does not make sense for the wife in question to meekly submit to her husband's maltreatment even defend him,although I am also a man.She gives her enduring humiliation in silence in exchange for her husband's pity ,she has another guess coming.Just as you said,wife batterers start out.What warrants our attention is that wife battering occurs now and then in the place where people still hold that the male must be respected while the female lowly .
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• China
7 Nov 11
Yes,her husband is likely to be further intensified.If she doesn't think of leaving him until she is provoked beyond endurance,It is too late.At that point, she may find out she has been wrong from the start.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
23 Jul 12
hi chang I misses this response chang July23 2012 I now wondered if she left him or not , she did not stay on mylot very long, I felt so bad for her, I h pe she did get help.
• China
24 Jul 12
She should face up to reality and fight for her personality and dignity,or else her husband will take her patience as a sign of weakness.
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@webeishere (36313)
• United States
6 Nov 11
I feel it's spousal abuse no matter what the culture is. But in some cultures, thats the so called norm. I know some people from that type of culture and I hate seeing the abuse etc. But if someone sees or hears this abuse and reports it, then here in the States that person be male or female automatically is charged with abuse. I hate people that hit or abuse each other physically, mentally, or emotionally as that happened to me as a child and it scarred me forever. I finally changed my ways so I would not be llike my fathr along those lines. As far as if you did right or wrong, that's in your heart and soul. I feel you did as well as you could have. You gave your thoughts and opinion on the matter was all. HAPPY POSTINGS FROM GRANDPA BOB!!~
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Nov 11
hi Grandpa Bob I do so hope so a s I felt there was more she 'was not saying as she said he had an anger problem but she loved him so blah blah blah.My heart just went out to her and I told her what I have told women here who feel they still love' the person who beats them to a pulp.My dad never abused my mom physically, he was too smart, but verbally he abused her all the time day after day. I would protest, she would say its just his way. do not upset him. She was thirty years younger than him. her father was only four years younger than my own father. He was a hypocrite who preached on thing and did others all the time. He was unfaithful to her and she never knew it. there's a half sister with my maiden name about forty miles from the hometown I grew up in as we lived out in the country on a farm.I met her just once bu t promised her mom I would never tell my mom as I did not want to her or my mom.
@lkbooi (16070)
• Malaysia
6 Nov 11
Hi Hatley, it's an unforgivable reason and inhumane as well for the culprit to say that he hit and hurt his wife just for couldn't control his anger. Unknown tie to make the two people to get along intimately. I believe they married because that was the only way the two could live together. The two persons is a match based on pure love they then live together. It's inevitable crosslight might happen in daily life as different people have their respective opinions. If so problem still could be resolved peacefully. I believe the wife will help him to cool down his anger if he was willing to share his difficulties with his spouse. It's 100% better than to vent his anger by violence. Every one is equal and lay violent hands on any person is absolutely not allowed I have friends come from Indonesia and work here. I'm told husband and wife love and cherish each other but not to beat the opposite side without controlling their awful temper and hurt their loved one. We are lucky that we meet the right persons who really treasure and hold their happy life they possess respectively Happy posting and have a nice day
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
6 Nov 11
Sometimes it is the fault of women who prefer to end up a sacrificial lamb than to fight back. This was a common happening in Asian families where they god worship their husbands as men are the breadwinners of the family. But most of the cases is because of culture and religious adherence. Now the situation has improved a lot when the law come into the picture. Men will be imprisoned if they beat their wives and this has so far improved situation. There are less wife beaters now but increased in divorces.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
6 Nov 11
No Hatley, your advice was not wrong at all. Abuse is abuse and I don't care what culture you come from. It is also progressive. The person getting abused learns to tolerate and gets used to such a life as if it is normal. If she grew up with abuse then it is all she knows. What it does to a persons adrenelin makes for very interesting reading but would take too long for me to explain here. The tolerance level increases over time. While one woman might go running from the verbal abuse, another would find that to be nothing. A slap on the face is nothing. Why because they have grown used to far more violent situations. A lot of times the abuser really does love the victim and really can't control his temper...that is HIS issues. The victim has issues of her own which cause her to put up with HIS issues regardless of how much he loves her. I left an abusive marriage and got councelling and did a lot of reading up. I had an opportunity to work in a woman's crisis center but I just couldn't rightfully accept it. Part of my job would have required me to have understanding for the abuser as well as the victim and a mountain of patience for the victim that kept returning to her abuser. Understanding it all and dealing with it all are 2 different things. I just did a discussion on a friend of mine who came very close to dying as a result of refusing to leave an abusive relationship. You were not wrong Hatley!
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@MaryLynn321 (2680)
• United States
6 Nov 11
Neither a wife or a husband should hit the other, nor a girlfriend or boyfriend or man and woman, girl and boy. But, unfortunately it does happen. All you can do is offer help or suggestions if one asks for it. Information such as domestic violence centers, emergency phone numbers, etc., are always nice to give someone.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Nov 11
alll I can do now is pray for her as she sou nded desperate and confused.
• United States
7 Nov 11
Hopefully if she has anymore questions, she will contact you. You did a very nice thing in trying to help her. Have a nice day. Hugs
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• United States
7 Nov 11
That is good that you gave her suggestions. That is all one can do, it is up to them to leave. Hopefully she will take your advice.
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@jaiho2009 (39142)
• Philippines
6 Nov 11
dear Hatley, Yes dear, culture may differ,but husband has no rights to hit or abuse their wives emotionally and physically. Here in our country,wife can sue the husband when he hit her (well, it depends on the wife if she will report the matter to the authorities- which is also seldom done by martyr wives) Oh,i just wish every wives know their rights as woman and human. Have a good day always ma'm
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Nov 11
hi jaiho thats what I figured as everywhere no man should be allowed to use his wife as a p unching bag. she said he had an anger problem bu t she l oved him. oh my G how could one love a person who just beat the tar out of you? unless as a child she had parents who abused her so she came to equate pain 'with being loving. Yes me too if all women knew they had'rights and were equal to their mates, and were to be respected and loved but not hit this would be a much better world.
@saphrina (31552)
• South Africa
6 Nov 11
Hello Hatley. No husband or boyfirend for that matter have the right to lift his hands to his wife or girlfriend. That is not love. Its an insecure little boy to scared to show his real emotions. You gave her the right advice. I personally think she should leave him. A women beater almost never stop the beating and sometimes they kill their wives, unfortunately. Different culture or not, it is a disgusting habit most men have to make sure their wives will stay submissive.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Nov 11
hik saphy yes I am glad I told her that sometimes by just accepting being hurt she runs the risk of it increasing to the point of his killing her and its best she think about leaving now before it gets worse. I told my husband before' we ever married that if he ever hit me he would not ever do it again. He agreed how terrible that is for any woman. He respected me and loved me and som etimes pretend hit me'so we would scuffle and he could love me up.but no he never really ever hit me as he was sweet and kind and loving and full of fun too.
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@gloryacam (5540)
• Philippines
6 Nov 11
I agree, love is not supposed to hurt. Husbands should not hit their wives. Unfortunately in some countries, the laws on family relations are not the same as others (western laws specifically). I am not sure how they do it over there, but, I just hope that wives (all women, actually) are protected from violence. You are right that wife batterers really cannot control their anger and that they manipulate the feelings of their wife by being very sweet after a beating. Sometimes, also, they would put the blame on the wife.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Nov 11
hi gloryacam I am so glad I was born and raised here in the US after seeing some things right here in discussions. I also lucked out in having a great husband., He never even if angry at me raised a hand towards me. He teased me a lot as he was a person happy with life,confident always that things would be better but he would never hurt me. Love is not painful, real love.He and I both abhored men who could not control their anger or their fists. He would tease me at time by pretending to cuff me which always turned out to be making whoopee. lol still miss him after all these years of being a widow.I have read some medical research and the sweet heart phase they go all sorry and mushy with a lot of gifts and promiese to never hurt their swe etheart again. which is just hooey as they do hurt her again.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
13 Nov 11
In some cultures where marriages are arranged and the mix is wrong, I can well understand how frustration and being powerless can bring out the worst in people and violence ensuing. Of course there is never any excuse for anyone to hit their spouse. It's important though I feel, not to make assumptions in a discussion and give advice based on those assumptions. Better to ask the hard questions and respond accordingly or stay out of the discussion. I sometimes feel that people are not always asking for advice either. Sometimes they are distraught and just want some sympathy or a friendly ear.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
23 Jul 12
July2012 23 sorry I missed you Mstickle I know some cultures just do not frown on men beating their wives but to me hitting a woman no matter where they are.Yes it sounds like thats what she wanted, I know what you are saying. we are a mixed group fromall over the world. what to me is horrid seems to just be an accepted fact of their lives. But something inside me says love is not' supposed to hurt, I sort of waffled in between knowing she was not from the US. you know this makes me even more blessed to think Iam an American and here we are supposed to be treated with love compassion and respect. I know of course even here there are wife batters but at least we can help them to get awayfrom the batterer.
@jdyrj777 (6530)
• United States
7 Nov 11
You gave her good advise. I totally agree with you.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
10 Nov 11
hi jdyrj777 I do hope she left him and got help as I have read this is just too common in Indonesia although there are laws there to stopping a man from beating his wife.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
22 Aug 12
hi jdyrj yes there are ev en here in peaceful uD and some are police officer and marines so what does a woman do if her husband beats her and works on the local p olice station or a marine pounds on his wife, they have to leave find help from somewhere as with either peace officers or marines these people have been trained to kill if necessary and if they beat their wives they will finally go too far.
@jdyrj777 (6530)
• United States
13 Nov 11
Actually there are males like that all over the world.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
10 Nov 11
You are totally right, love is not supposed to hurt. Now I realize that some cultures give men the right to beat there wives but I cannot condone that kind of behavior. No matter who you are or where you live you should not have to worry about your husband beating you.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
10 Nov 11
hi savak I learned that Indonesia does have laws stopping husbands from beating their wives.but if the woman seeks help the family will turn against her which is so ugly and stupid/. no culture should condone wife beating especially now in 2011.
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@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
9 Nov 11
You know, like you, the only culture that I really know is the culture here in the USA. However, I think that our views toward domestic violence should be something that is global because it is never right to hit another person, and even less right to hit someone that is not able to defend themselves as well as the person that is hitting them. I was hit once by a man and I swore at that point that if it ever happened to me again, I would be gone before he even knew what was happening.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
10 Nov 11
hi dorannwin I learned from an Indonesian mylotter that the country does have laws stopping a husband from beating his wife but that she faces criticism from the family if she' tries to get help. me I would go ahead and get the help family be dammed wives are not for beating. I once stepped in between a man who was beating his petite little wife and got knocked to the ground but it made a man 'watching us step in and knock the brute out completely . the police came but for once they did not do a thing to the man who defended the small wife. I was proud of them as they arrested this big bozo.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
6 Nov 11
Naturally, I'm totally against wife beating. It's degrading and insulting. I can't imagine myself ever advising a woman to stay in a situation where she or her children are physically abused. For me, no excuse would be good enough. Men, according to the Bible, are supposed to treat the woman as part of themselves and with the same consideration they would give to their own body. All men don't live up to that, but that is what the Bible says.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Nov 11
no this was two different couples. we felt bad as nobody in that next door complex had enough sympathy to call the police and when we finally heard her scream we were almost too late and by the time the police called the paramedics she was dying, He had done something to her skull, the paramedics said according to the next days paper her brains were oozing out of a wound. I wondered why those neighbors did not call the police when they first heard her scream?Nobody wanted to get involved? my god all they had to do was call the police and say a man was trying to kill his wife, thats all the involvement they needed to do., they did not have to confront the brute of a man., He was huge according to the paper and took two big police officers t o subdue him.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
6 Nov 11
Hatley, how awful you were too late. Was it the same man and woman each time, or did you call the police on different couples, of which this was only one? If it was always the same couple, you would think they would have put the man away for abuse before he could kill the woman. Or did she refuse to press charges?
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@khare_1005 (1310)
• India
6 Nov 11
hello madam,i feel physical abuse has no place in any relationship.such things only ruin our relation and do no better to it.the more abusive you go,more ruined id your relation. no matter the cultural difference,but there is one single religion we all need to follow and that's humanity.we should abide by the rules of humanity and women are no exception.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Nov 11
hireally suny no woman should beat her husband either,its wrong either way. completely irrevokedly wrong. khare yes there is one sin gle religion humanity and we all should abide by that, men and women
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
23 Jul 12
hi khare missed this july23 2012 sorry really suny no woman should beat her husb and either, its wrong for either partner to abuse the other ever.July 23 10`1 sory I am so late picking the responses.
• India
7 Nov 11
same hld good for women too as madam hatley said.
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