I am spending YOUR tax dollars
@Masihi (4413)
Canada
December 29, 2011 7:47am CST
Okay, maybe it's the Gov't of Nova Scotia, and a little federal (Gov't of Canada), and my husband works part-time, and I'm on disability. I don't usually post in the Politics section but i'm wondering about your opinions on how us welfare people should spend our money. Like if you see me walk into the liquor store or the barber shop doesn't that piss you off like a mad bull running at a red charging cloth? I know myself I would be upset when I see welfare people walk into the liquor store because I automatically think they're going to get wasted on the stuff. But even if I just take a 375 ml of vodka which lasts me a year because I ration it out, does that still make you upset?
And what about purchasing a laptop when the old one gives out? Not an expensive one, mind you, but a reasonbly-priced one.
What about when I'm trying desperately to pay off my debt? Your tax dollars are paying off my credit card debt. You guys must think I"m irresponsible, and to be honest, I was irresponsible and now I'm paying for it.
I will say that I"m spending my money wisely now, I've learned my lesson big time. But all these nagging feelings are haunting me. Every since I've sat down 2 and a half years ago and put myself on a budget, I started to think from the viewpoint of a taxpayer. I knew about the people who abuse the welfare system before, but I'm just wondering what are on you taxpayers' mind, who don't get any gov't assistance whatsover. How do you expect us to spend our money? Other thand food, necessities, and (cheap) family car? Where do you allow an occasional indulgance?
I really hope I can get some honest feedback. It's been on my mind for many months and I'm truly curious on how people "on the other side" think of us "on the system". Thank you :-)
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@Bluedoll (16770)
• Canada
29 Dec 11
I do not agree with your outlook on the welfare system in Canada. The taxpayer has nothing to do with you. What someone thinks of another person in relation to their life style or how they manage money is really none of their business. I know we are social creatures and society interaction is inevitable. What I am saying however is that the Government of Canada has elected to conduct itself in certain way and it is with them and them only you should be addressing your concerns. What Charlie down the street or Dorothy online thinks is immaterial.
In reference to abuse. That is a crime called fraud and the Government has created laws for addressing this. Smaller abuses (ok you buy a mickey of brandy once a year ok and call it medicinal) if you want to personally consider this an abuse fine but I don’t. How this is dealt with by the system as it is employed, I think is done fairly. Theoretically you should be reporting your earning here in mylot to your social worker. But you will find you are allowed to earn money up to a certain amount each year and if you want to spend the money you earn here in mylot on something silly, then that is your business, the end.
If you are asking just for opinions for your own thoughts and conscience then I would say buy what makes you feel good about yourself and what will do you the most good. If someone else who gets a disability allowance doesn’t manage money properly they might loose it or might find someone else to manage it for them because they are not able to (that is sad). To conclude I think giving the Government of Canada feedback is a good civic thing to do (or change something by election) but our role in society is not to micro-manage Government business/parliamentary acts. That is my opinion. I hope you see this as a friendly comment. I think we can feel appreciative that we have acted as a country in just and fair means with compassion for other human beings. As for the taxpayer, he/she also pays for fighter aircraft and prisons two things I personally wish could be discontinued if only there could be peace in the world, God willing.
May you and your family have peace and joy into the coming year.
@yspmyl (3435)
• Malaysia
30 Dec 11
I am not living in a country where we got such a welfare because of jobless, except we are disable, single mother with low income, really poor income family with less than $300 a month or old folks without anyone to depend on.
I am totally disagree on government to give money for people who are jobless, that will only make them refuse to work, why work when I can get free money? If I don't work, I will still survive with the money from the welfare department. That is how I can read the mind or thinking of people who are jobless and receiving the welfare money.
If they spend those money only on foods and basic necessity, that is still acceptable, but if they use it to buy liquor or laptop or a cheap car, for me, that is starting to abuse the welfare money. If they have enough extra money to spend on something else other than foods, I think they do not deserve to get the money. And if the system allow them to use the money in that way, I would say, the system is useless.
@Bluedoll (16770)
• Canada
30 Dec 11
The welfare system in Canada works this way. Not everyone qualifies but those that do receive a basic allowance (capped) helps them to pay for shelter and food. If someone has special circumstances like children or a disability there is additional support. The welfare system in Canada is designed to support the ‘basic’ needs only. Everyone is encouraged to make money and they are allowed to do so with out reduction of the allowance until they can make enough to support themselves.
Abuses can occur if people do not report earning, falsify document income or living expenses which can result in denial of benefits/fraudulent charges depending on the severity.
People can spend money on things they shouldn’t whether they are working or not and the result of the action is the same. Spending money on booze and smokes for example when money is in short supply will result in an empty cupboard and a down spiraling journey into a sad life. Not everyone is like this however and in my mind a good conscience is a benefit too.
I was texting with a friend from Denmark a few years back and he needed a life change, unemployed at his wits end so he went to school (co-op program) and now works as a male nurse. All of this was paid for (free) by the government but the cost of living there is high. He most likely will not get a newer apartment or have a car but still I thought that was a pretty good thing to have access to.
Welfare cheques put money back into the economy, people are important so training or anything that makes someone advance in anyway and become active is a good investment for everyone. It is a win win. Those “milking” will suffer in the long run when they realize it is only themselves they might be hurting.
Sure there are social pressures but perhaps the facts are better understood. In Ontario people are offered if they have unemployment benefits (recently laid off) some classes if they qualify to help them upgrade and reenter the employment market place. If they have not worked for a long time and qualify for welfare they are offered help with job search strategies. Yes, refusal to comply with any welfare regulations may disable welfare payments but they are not in place to force someone to study or work. It is important to see that our social systems are in place to help people and at the same time build a better economy.
I don’t mind people questioning my viewpoint either. I am very proud of my country and of the people in it. Why should anyone feel ashamed because of their status? I think of people in the same way in any situation. I would rather live in a country that supports people than one that does little to help. I do agree that jobs for those that can work is a better situation for everyone but having a support system in place is better than having nothing.
Without a job or a support to fall back on how do people get money? Sell their bodies? Crime? Move to the street? This is exactly how some countries look after their peoples.


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@cher913 (25781)
• Canada
29 Dec 11
i have been on both sides. i seperated from my hubby for 6 months a few years ago and went on welfare. i got quite a sum and lived in geared to income housing.
we reconciled and when my hubby was unemployed, we had no dental care and so we went to the local health/dental bus (available for those on welfare or with limited income) (i only work part time due to health issues) and while waiting for this, i sat with those waiting to go into a food bank (i know some people need this and cannot afford to eat otherwise) but when a few people pull out blackberrys, you tend to wonder!
there are honest people such as yourself but others who milk the system. here in ontario, you are forced to take classes if on welfare, forced to go back to school and get off welfare asap.
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@Masihi (4413)
• Canada
29 Dec 11
If I weren't so heavily in debt I would probably consider school. Is there specific programs that employ people on welfare? I know my husband works part time and his job is secure. I admit I have a BlackBerry myself, I got it free with a 3-year contract and I'm always carrying it with me because of specialist appointments, social workers, doctor appointments, itinerant teachers - my kids are also disabled and require educational and medical support, so I'm constantly in touch with everyone that way. We don't go to a food bank, though.
I did have a couple of food bank volunteers (these were people we knew but we dont go to food banks or anything) complain that people come in with car keys and BlackBerries and I suppose those instances made me feel really uncomfortable as well. I didn't say in the conversation but I sure felt judged. Then I think about going without things as well....
We have a car because Hubby needs it for work. He has a basic cell phone because he's on call during the whole day at his work.
@bounce58 (17380)
• Canada
31 Dec 11
I can definitely see some people thinking this way -getting pissed off when they see welfare people 'apparently' wasting their money. And I must admit, I often get frustrated when I see people who look like they are capable, and healthy yet they choose to live off welfare.
And then I try to calm myself, and tell myself that how they live their lives is really none of my business. Even if they are apparently spending MY tax dollars.
Good on you to think about this! I think you're already ahead of the curb, by learning from your mistake.
I wish you better fortune in the coming new year!





