So You Have a Problem With Evolution

Thailand
February 22, 2012 7:45pm CST
Many people have a problem with evolutionary science because they see it as a threat to the validity of tthe creation myth that is the underpining of their religious beliefs. If you can not accept that the natural process of evolution of living species has and is occuring how do you feel about the process of plate tectonics or, as it is populary deescribed continental drift?
20 responses
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
23 Feb 12
"God, who created the heavens and the earth and all between them in six days and then Sit on the throne what you without Him guardian or intercessor do you not remember" Sajdah 4. "Say ye deny Him Who created the earth in two Days? ascribe Equals with Him the God of the Worlds,and placed therein from above it and blessed it and As much as Sustenance in four days for both asking and then turned to the heaven when it was smoke, and said it and the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly saying we came obedient , made them seven heavens in two days and He inspired in each heaven its order, and adorned the lower heaven with lamps and preserved that is Ability God Glory Knowing,, "fousselat 9-12. "We made the sky a ceiling preserved as they are exposed for its verses does not reflectis He who created night and day, sun and moon, each floating in an orbit" Prophets 32-33. "Have they not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the earth were joined together ripped them apart and made ??from water every living thing do you not believe in" the prophets 30. "We have built the sky hands and We will expand" Althariaat 47. "Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light," Alfourkan 61 "Who created the seven heavens one above another, what you see in the creation of inequality Rahman then go back sight do you see of slots" The King 3. "I swear by the locations of he stars It is a great oath, if you know", Alwakeaa75-76. "And threw in the earth lest it should shake with you" Luqman 10. "We built above you seven firmaments" Elnabaa 12
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• Thailand
23 Feb 12
So? Do you have something to offer or do you just want us to read the Qur'an?
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
23 Feb 12
I need you to read Qur'an to be sure that I tell you the truth , and did not lie to you
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@urbandekay (18280)
24 Feb 12
But as the Qur'an contains factual information that has been shown to be false, why should we accept it as a reliable source? all the best urban
@flowerchilde (12530)
• United States
23 Feb 12
It would be correct to say that some folks have a problem with the evolution hypothesis/idea because it threatens (or insults) their faith. Other folks have taken the time to look into the theory and have come away knowing of the many holes.. fa-ar too many to put into a simple discussion.. I'll bet you believe the bible says the world is flat! lol..
• Thailand
24 Feb 12
I though that the Bible, at least in the current translations said that the world was a circle. Oh, in geometry a circle is a two-dimensional object. I guess the world is flat after all. How many holes are there in the naturally occurring, observable and testable process that is called evolution?
• Canada
24 Feb 12
You thought... Check the reference Isaiah 40:22. The bible does not say the earth is a circle. The inference from the verse is that the earth is a circle or sphere. I find it amusing to see you make a biblical argument without even checking the reference. It would have been far more effective for you to look at the reference and point out that in the context most of the language is figurative and this might not be making a statement about the shape of our planet at all.
• Thailand
24 Feb 12
"[i]Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that astretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in[/i]" Seems clear to me that the operative word is a circle.
@tbhavill (13)
23 Feb 12
There are no myths when it comes to Christ. I have seen miracles with my own eyes. Someday you will find that out my friend. The state this world is in right now is described in the bible for you to read about. Everything is created by something or someone. That's the way it has always been and always will be. Where do you think the good comes from in this world? Where do you think the evil comes from in this world? Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But I know for sure what I know. And what I know is the truth!
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• Thailand
23 Feb 12
"Everything is created by something or someone." What is that something or someone. There is no evidence that supports this or no need for a supernatural force to explain this world.
• Thailand
23 Feb 12
"there is nothing happens without a cause. All things that man cannot do,, there must be someone who did it." Not necessarily so. There are natural causes tha do not require the intervention of a "someone".
• United States
23 Feb 12
"Everything is created by something or someone." Either "God" was created by something or someone, or this statement is incorrect.
@rog0322 (2829)
• Cagayan De Oro, Philippines
23 Feb 12
Hi Chiang, Science and spirituality are two different concepts from some perspectives. One is material while the other is ephemeral. To reconcile explanations of certain phenomena using the two approaches often result in conflict, inconsistencies and outright confusion. A common ground, however can be achieved, such as the orderly processes in the whole universe out of the seemingly chaotic conditions all around. Without the idea of a supreme being, all questions shall stop right at the grave of the one who asked for explanation, no more, no less. With spiritual insights, a scientific mind expands to limitless boundaries of possibilities without sacrificing the truth. So, everything has its proper beginning, evolution and ending, the reasons for being all brought to clear understanding in the light of scientific and spiritual views.
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• Thailand
23 Feb 12
While you are essentially correct from a philosophical viewpoint in the end we live in a material world. It comes down to a question as to whether reliance on religious stories or the facts that science presents us with better prepares us to live in and understand the dynamics of the world we live in.
@BLTLife (337)
• United States
24 Feb 12
No one can 100% say that we live in a material world.
@urbandekay (18280)
2 Mar 12
Correct all the best urban
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
23 Feb 12
In Islam science is inseparable from religion ... All that stated in the written Quran has proven by science,, It came down since more than 1400 years at a time when the world was living in the darkness of ignorance .. There have been phases in which the creation of the universe, as demonstrated by modern science exactly .. As for the theory of evolution it is a wrong theory ,it remains just a theory, and Darwin himself admitted that it would collapse if we did not find evidence of it!!! . God said in his book " We have created man in the best calendar [Fig 4], namely, that the Almighty has created us as human beings in the best picture not monkeys ,and our development as claimed by Darwin.
• Thailand
23 Feb 12
If science is inseparable from religion and it is all written in the Qur'an then there should be some discussion of Continental Drift and plate tectonics, Where is it? Evolution is, in its self, not a theory. It is an observable and proven natural process. It was not a new idea developed by Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace. It was a known fact in their day so there was no need for them to postulate a theory about it. What they did was spread some light on how it worked.
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
23 Feb 12
I tell you about the creation of the universe as a whole and how the stages of his creation ... And the expansion of the universe .. And the creation of man and the stages of creation of all this mentioned in the Quran and what was proven by modern science identical .. As for the theory of plate tectonics and continental drift I think that something as simple as compared to the six-creation of the universe with me .. There are signs this may make the theory is correct, but I do not know whether they are true
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
23 Feb 12
corriction : as compared to the creation of the universe are you with me in this opinion ?
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
24 Feb 12
What is the evidence that the creation story is a myth?
• Thailand
24 Feb 12
Which creation myth would you like to discuss. There are an abundance of them in this world.
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• Thailand
24 Feb 12
There are only two creation myths in the Bible while there are hundreds more spread around the world. There is nothing that gives any one of these more merit than any other. They all represent an attempt by early man to explain something that he lacked the knowledge to explain otherwise.
• Thailand
24 Feb 12
I guess you failed to read the Oxford English Dictionary definition of evolution. I doubt that you have read The Origin of Species. If you had bothered you would understand that evolution is not the study of Abiogenesis and that this study is a separate field. If you can overcome your fixation on evolution can you spar a moment or two to discuss the real subject of this discussion. What impact do you think the theory of Plate tectonics has on humankinds cherished creation myths?
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
23 Feb 12
I think evolution is a man made religion which tries to explain the origin of life without the need of a creator.Unfortunately for me it is a nonsense and the worst thing is it doesn`t give us a purpose for our life (if we don`t count that silly term named mankind or humanity ) .If we accept evolution then we should also accept the natural laws or survival of the fittest and we should live our lives according to that.But the human noticed he has a conscience which came from nowhere so how do you fit that inside evolution ? Ok let`s invent terms like mankind or humanity.
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
23 Feb 12
I have noticed that most believe in this theory, those who promote it are those who do not believe in the existence of God is this true or am I wrong ?
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
23 Feb 12
Yes you are right, there are some people that claim to be religious and to accept evolution in the same time but that looks like a nonsense for me.If God is not the creator of everything we can see and we cannot see then how can you believe what is written in your religious book since this is how it starts.
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• Thailand
23 Feb 12
Evolutionary science is about as far away from a religion as you can get. It does not concern itself with the origins of life and has nothing to say about a creator. It does knock the props out from under the creation myths and folklore that have grown up over time as we have tried to explain our world. The term, "survival of the fittest" is rather inappropriate term that does a poor job of defining natural selection. It is not the job of science to give purpose or direction to our lives. Science tells us how the physical world works and provides us the tools we need to ease our way in it. It is up to us to shape the societies we live in and develop the ethics which guide our societies.
• United States
23 Feb 12
Just to clarify are you talking about evolution that we come from Apes? The continental drift is fact, but the plate tectonics is only a theory. I think that science and creation go together. It's impossible to have creation without science and impossible to have science without creation.
• Thailand
23 Feb 12
I am talking about the broad range of evolutionary science that addresses the development of life on this planet from early single-celled organisms to the diversity of species that populate this planet today. A part of that picture is the evolution of the human species. the fact that we share a common ancestor with the great apes is a part of that story. I agree that plate tectonics is a theory just as gravity is a theory. It is rather difficult to understand how continents are drifting without an understanding of the underlying mechanism. That mechanism is plate tectonics. There is no science in the religious concept of creation and no need for creation myths in science.
• United States
23 Feb 12
Thanks for clarifying that. Science is everywhere and in everything. And creation is everywhere and in everything. I don't think the two can be separate. Again, I need clarification - Who is the common ancestor with the great apes?
• Thailand
23 Feb 12
I can not tell you with any specificity what the last common ancestor with the great apes was. I can tell you that it lived in Africa 25 million years ago. The branching point of the chimpanzee and human lineages occurred about 6 million years ago. The evidence for this is in the human genome and confirmed in the fossil record. Here is some additional information on the subject. http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics
@vandana7 (90937)
• India
23 Feb 12
Ah Chiang Mai boy..I agree..science and the truths it reveals should be accepted, and we need to wonder about god's abilities with it rather than refuting it. As long as mumma cooks the food and we eat it when we are children, we dont really know how much of love and care goes into it. When we start cooking our food, we realize its not as easy as sitting at the table and helping ourselves. It makes us wonder isn't it, how mumma managed to make it taste so good? I feel science is something like that. God has used scientific principles all the way. He has that kinda brains. Everytime I understand the genius, my heart is filled with awe.
• United States
23 Feb 12
..actually, very little science supports the evolution theory.. micro evolution, yes, which is "natural selection".. unfortunately few even know the difference between the two (micro evolution/natural selection of traits present and the theory of single cell life evolving from matter and then into all life forms which exist) - the second is a series of very slow directionless and random changes, but the first is traits in dna code separating as in our having different breeds or variations of dogs.. dna is communication and the further communication travels the more it breaks down, just like matter is always moving toward breaking down (unless it's alive as in a leaf connected to a tree as opposed to one which has fallen from the tree:)
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• Thailand
24 Feb 12
flowerchilde what is the evolutionary theory? Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life so you are off to a bad start with this.
• Thailand
24 Feb 12
From The Oxford English Dictionary; Evolution: Evolution Pronunciation: /?i?v?'lu??(?)n, '?v-/ noun [mass noun] 1 the process by which different kinds of living organism are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the earth. 2 the gradual development of something: the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution 3 Chemistry the giving off of a gaseous product, or of heat: the evolution of oxygen occurs rapidly in this process 4 [count noun] a pattern of movements or manoeuvres: flocks of waders often perform aerial evolutions 5 Mathematics, dated the extraction of a root from a given quantity. Nothing there about how life began.
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@bird123 (10537)
• United States
23 Feb 12
You inspired me. I'm going to start believing the world is flat. It sure looks flat from where I am standing. All those pictures of the Earth from space are just from Hollywood. It's not real. OK!OK! At some point people must start looking at the evidence rather than relying on mere beliefs of how we feel about things.Science continues to study and search for answers. Religion does not. If a person believes religion has all the answers, they just quit searching for the answers. We should always strive for truth rather than beliefs. Disclaimer::: The world isn't really Flat no matter how flat it seems where you live. Don't you believe it!!!
• Thailand
23 Feb 12
Looks flat to me. When I look out my window I can't even see the bump of a hill.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
23 Feb 12
I don`t know where from you got the idea that religious people believed the earth is flat.Not everything you find written against religion on internet is true.The same not everything you find written against evolution is true. "As, when the sun shines above the earth, the shadow is spread over its lower part, because its spherical shape ..." http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2915.htm This was written on the 4th century.
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• Thailand
23 Feb 12
The problem is not that religious people think the world is flat. It is that some do not see a metaphor when it slaps them in the face and have no sense of humor.
@andy77e (5157)
• United States
27 Feb 12
The only problem I have with evolutionary science, is that it isn't scientifically proven or supportable. Other than that minor problem, it's as good a myth as any other. As for process of plate tectonics, that's fine, unless you assume that current day aspects absolutely must be consistent over history, which is no science. That again is myth.
• Thailand
29 Feb 12
"The only problem I have with evolutionary science, is that it isn't scientifically proven or supportable." Wow, that's a rather sweeping statement. If you truly believe this can you provide any evidence that supports your statement?
@andy77e (5157)
• United States
29 Feb 12
Why do you think the "missing link" is called the "missing link"? It's missing. If you look at any of the evolutionary charts, the key "evolution" points are all missing. Every single one. If you believe in a system, in which the key aspects are all missing, is that science or myth?
• Thailand
6 Mar 12
Most of those so-called missing links have been filled in by Genomic Biology. I guess it is a science.
@erjnsimon (1191)
• Makati, Philippines
25 Feb 12
evolutionary science is not but however it can not fully explained how do we evolve. let us say that we came from the form of an ape, how about the apes, where did they came from? let us think that myths has an answer to this same with religious beliefs. i agree on most science observations,creations,and discoveries, actually almost of them, but on how we evolve, i am not convinced on even 60%.
• Thailand
25 Feb 12
While I would have to agree that the evolutionary sciences can not provide all of the answers about human evolution they do give us a good framework and quite a few factual answers. The relatively new science of Genomics is providing many answers to thing that we could only speculate on when our best tool was paleontology and we had to rely on the fossil record. The answers in our blood are telling how and when the modern human evolved and even where that took place.
• India
2 Jun 12
No problem with evolution . It is aproven fatc.
• United States
26 Feb 12
I'm a Christian, and I also fully believe in evolution. I think a process that is so involved and magnificent (not to mention something that makes life so much easier for all living species on earth to live on a constantly changing planet) would have been a perfect "invention," if you will, for God to create for his other creations. People don't have to live without science to believe in God, nor do they have to be "godless" to believe in science. The two actually fit quite well together. I believe God created this universe, the human race and all other races on this earth and on any other planets that happen to be lucky enough to support life. I believe that life is also evolving and has evolved for millions upon millions of years, and that is fascinating to me. I am personally extremely interested in many sciences...geology, anatomy, dietetics, astronomy, thermodynamics, to name a few of my favorites. No science proves God doesn't exist, nor do I really believe that relying on science and/or religion and ever disprove the other. Science is physical and deals with what we can touch, feel, learn, and theorize. Faith is not physical and deals with belief, which is far more complex. How can you truly use either of those to make an argument against the other? On a last note, although I do believe in evolution, I'll go on and answer your question on plate tectonics and the like. How do I feel about it? That it's amazing, like anything else. What I find particularly intriguing is that we could create a map of what Pangea most likely looked like so long ago simply because of the fossils of alike species we found on the edges of different continents. When you look at the evidence we have of where various species of, say, dinosaurs existed, and then you see the continents how they were back in those times, it's like fitting the last piece of a puzzle into place.
@crossbones27 (44278)
• Redlands, California
26 Feb 12
All I have to say is, what did you get yourself into Chiang? lol
@urbandekay (18280)
23 Feb 12
The problem I have with evolution is that we have removed ourselves from evolutionary pressure. The problem to which you refer is not a problem to me all the best urban
@lampar (7585)
• United States
23 Feb 12
Continental drift is a real and complex science, our earth core is like a inferno and powerful permanent magnet, the convective and radiative heat wave is constantly affecting the earth tectonic plates structure that make up our ocean and continental floor, it is not an evolution but is a more complicated earth science that is full of surprises.
• Philippines
23 Feb 12
Religion and science never really can cross paths and agree on one thing, they are like two parallel lines that keeps moving forward. I mean there are things that even science can't explain, thats where religion comes to play. As for the process of evolution, there is no doubt about that, as now, we can even witness evolution of some species, only at an extremely slow rate. As for plate tectonics or continental drift? I dont think it has anything to do with people's religious beliefs. Or is your question asking about a spiritual/religious connection to them?
@mgzg11 (139)
• Croatia (Hrvatska)
23 Feb 12
I'm not a religious person, but I consider myself spiritual person. Certainly, there are things that science can't explain, at least not yet, and that's where philosophy and religion coming on the scene. As for evolution, it's obvious in everyday life. If one looks to the domesticated animals and plants, it's obvious that they are different from the ones they originated from. And for me it's just a form of man made evolution (or use of it's principles). And if a man genetically modifying animal or plant, to create something new, is that puts him next to g/God?
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
23 Feb 12
I chosed you some verses in the Quran about the creation of the universe, and proven by science,There are plenty of verses about the creation of the universe and the stages of the creation of man can be seen by anyone who likes to come with a copy of the meanings of the Quran translated in its original language. If you did , and need to ask about something you don't understand tell me please