Ramifications of the Wilderness Act and the Wisdom of the US Government

@bagarad (14283)
Paso Robles, California
June 10, 2012 5:22pm CST
Today Jim Franklin Live was talking about how the city of Tombstone AZ has been cut off from its water supply that comes from a pipeline from the mountains. The pipe broke and now, because of the Wilderness Act, those who want to repair it are not allowed to bring in anything mechanical to fix it -- not even a wheelbarrow. They are expected to trek in in heat over 100º carrying all they need for repairs. Should a fire break out in Tombstone, they might not have enough water to fight it. Someone called in to say he is a Cal Trans worker and was working on a freeway project one day when a rare lizard was seen by the foreman. He immediately stopped the work and they spent $40,000 to build a two-mile-long lizard fence that was four feet high. I'll bet I don't even have to tell you what happened. When they went back to work, another lizard showed up and climbed right over the fence like any good lizard would. Even I could have told them that. Our tax dollars at work. Is it any wonder that we don't want to entrust our health care to the all-wise US government bureaucracy? What do you think of these regulations? Who is more important? Protecting a town's property, people, and even its animals, or keeping machines from making noise that might disturb the sleep of some animals? How much of our tax dollars are spent enforcing these stupid and tyrannical regulations? How much longer are US citizens going to stand for this?
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@GreenMoo (11833)
11 Jun 12
I'm all for protecting the natural environment, but these things need to be tempered with good sense.
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@GreenMoo (11833)
12 Jun 12
The obvious answer would be by voting the right people in in the first place. But I'm sure a huge proportion of the population don't care what government does unless it's in their faces, so that's not really much of a solution.
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
11 Jun 12
That means we have to have the people in these bureaucracies endowed with common sense. How do we do that?
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
11 Jun 12
This is a prime example of why the GOP candidates all suggested doing away with the EPA, and several other government bureaucracies.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
11 Jun 12
We can hope. What would Mitt Romney do? Someone ought to ask him.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
11 Jun 12
Another point comes to mind after reading bigfoot's response; the president (under NORMAL) circumstances does not have the legal power to do a whole lot. We have gotten used to an executive branch that over steps it's bounderies. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_powers_does_the_executive_branch_have President's Powers: 1. Grant reprieves and pardons (except in impeachment cases) 2. Appoint Ambassadors (again with the consent of senate) 3. Appoints public ministers and consuls (with the consent of senate) 4. Can reject or accept the judges of the supreme court (with the consent of senate) 5. Can appoint basically any officer that is ranked below him with the consent of the senate 6. Can fill up vacancies during the recess of the senate 7. Signs or vetos bills sent to him by Congress. 8. Is commander in chief of armed forces. How the EPA works: Once a law is passed by Congress, EPA drafts regulations to indicate what actions will be required to comply with it. To ensure consistency, EPA also develops and uses policies and guidance to interpret and implement the regulations. BUT, Thomas Jefferson, in his wisdom knew that to allow the Federal Government the power to dictate to the states would eventually lead to the Federal Government having way to much power. So he said this; The states, Jefferson wrote, "have the unquestionable right to judge of [the Constitution's] infraction; and that a nullification, by [the states], of all unauthorized acts done under color of [the Constitution], is the rightful remedy." That's pretty strong language — "an unquestionable right" to be the judge; the "rightful remedy" being "nullification" of unconstitutional laws by the states. No equivocation there. So now we have 35 states suing the Federal Government. http://hodgepodgeblog.com/2010/10/35-states-file-lawsuit-against-the-federal-government/ So, you see that even if the president wanted to do away with the EPA, he'd have to work with Congress to do so, and then we have the actual LAWS that the EPA enforces that would have to be repealed, or....find another agency to enforce them.
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
21 Jun 12
Hello bagarad. What an oxymoron. Wisdom of the U.S. Government. Since when has the government had any wisdom. I believe we need these laws but also believe they should be tempered at time like this. The laws of the land are to help the citizen not hinder them. From what I read the Forest service is trying to help the people of tombstone with in the law. It seems to me that the laws concerning the so called wilderness should be written is such a way so that they are some what flexible at times like this so the public and take care of such things as this water problem when ever needed. Here are three articles of interest concerning the issue plus the act it's self.. http://www.wfmz.com/news/Showdown-at-the-H2O-Corral/-/121458/13053932/-/item/3/-/d0mf6lz/-/index.html http://www.gvnews.com/state/tombstone-water-war-takes-a-break-so-shovel-brigade-can/article_8d78f768-b3da-11e1-9c30-0019bb2963f4.html http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=nwps&sec=legisact
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
22 Jun 12
Thanks for the link. I had been too busy to follow up on this. I just hope Tombstone will have the water supply it needs. Sounds as though its water rights should be grandfathered in. I hope the citizens going to court to keep their right to the land the pipeline is on will win.
@GardenGerty (169590)
• United States
11 Jun 12
So how can we undo the damage that has been done by all the bureacracy? Will we ever be able to stop it?Are these laws like the laws of the King of Persia that cannot be changed once written? Do we need an Esther to show us how to survive?
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
11 Jun 12
WE could vote out the people who make these laws and get them changed. I wonder where John McCain will come down on this and if it will make any difference. Will his buddies across the aisle help Tombstone? Will this go to the Supreme Court? I think the majority of the American people do not support this abuse of power and lack of common sense. But when will they stop electing the people who make these kinds of laws?
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
16 Jun 12
I saw that article in the newspaper and though, what is wrong with this picture? Common sense flies out the window sometimes.
@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
11 Jun 12
People come up with some very good ideas. When it was first proposed I thought the wilderness act was a good idea but then the government got involved and it all went to hell. Anything we allow the government to put its sticky fingers in gets all discombobulated and twisted around till it won't work. We don't have to put up with it. Vote the jerks out! Unfortunately, it seems the majority of voters don't pay attention to anything and vote for whoever lies the best and says what they want to hear. So our government will keep on wasting money and making citizens suffer as the country circles the drain.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
11 Jun 12
I think a lot of people are beginning to wise up and start organizing. The grassroots who used to ignore all this are beginning to rise up in protest -- and get out to vote.