Test tube meat and fish
@allknowing (153529)
India
October 7, 2012 9:45am CST
Listening to BBC news I got fascinated with a topic on creating meat and fish in a test tube using stem cells. I searched the Net and found this interesting link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17113214
What are your views on this?
8 responses
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
7 Oct 12
I have heard about this before. I think it is incredibly disgusting. It makes me start to think just how bad off our world is that we're considering to do this?
Is it because of the viruses in the world and even in cattle? Or is this really just an option for vegans/vegetarians?
I think there are other reasons for moving toward this certain aspect. My bet is on the sickness even in cattle that has arisen over the years.
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@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
8 Oct 12
Interesting concept Echo...I didn't even think of that. All I thought of was ewww...no way in hell will I eat this.
I'm not a vegetarian but do like to eat this way a few times a week. I will not eat this product, it just sounds way too scary for me. And I'd like to know what they're going to do with all these animals that keep reproducing? We wouldn't even have enough room for them unless they give them birth control. If they don't, the tons of animals born will starve so where is the compassion?
I didn't think of the sickness in the animals, but that will be another point with so many animals breeding and getting more viruses. Am I crazy to think this?
@allknowing (153529)
• India
8 Oct 12
The main concern is over population of livestock unless a ban is put on procreation! Invariably laws are enforced when things go out of hand. All said and done something needs to be done to feed the millions that are increasing at a galloping rate.
Any new concept will always face resistence specially when it is presented in its raw form as is the case here

@echoforever (5180)
• United States
8 Oct 12
No I don't think you are crazy one bit to think this way.
I don't understand where some people get their ideas. And for this particular concept I don't see how this is going to help more than hurt huge amounts of people. Or in the least, the environment.
What would we do when the livestock are so over populated? That is a good question!
What would we do when the livestock are so over populated? That is a good question!
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
7 Oct 12
Wow. Now that is a concept.
There is a guy in Japan, that recently created the first food made out of feces (a poopburger, to put it politely)-- and it's edible-- but it would be a marketing nightmare LOL.
This raises a host of interesting questions. I agree with the nutritionist who said a small amount of meat in a diet IS healthy, and may even be necessary. For the million or so years we have been around, humans have been omnivorous; this is the way we are built. While vegetable proteins of various types can provide most of what we need, a full omnivore diet guarantees we get all of what we need to be healthy.
Vegetarians refuse to eat meat or slaughter by products because of how the animals are raised, or because raising meat protein takes a great deal of resources. However, that argument isn't entirely sound, for two reasons:
1) If everyone would actively boycott meat agribusiness and pay the higher price for responsible sustainable farmed meat products, the agribusinesses would be forced to farm as small farmers do-- sustainably and responsibly, caring properly for the animals and minimizing environmental impact. Of course, people would also have to be willing to entirely give up leather, vellum, lambskin, fur coats, and a lot of other consumer products. A great many vegetarians do, but most ordinary people who will skip a few meals of meat won't give up everything else as well.
2) If EVERYONE would give up 1 or 2 meat enhanced meals a week, everyone could stay omnivorous, or be vegetarian as they wished, but the amount of meat farming would decrease dramatically over time. Giving up meat 2 days a week is very simple, and means that overall, about 29% less meat would be consumed. World wide, that would make a tremendous difference.
3) one has to consider the TYPE of meat. Beef cattle are the highest on the list when it comes to environmental impact of feed costs, pigs cost less to feed but their effluent is a serious concern. Chickens are cost effective, but only if raised in horrific conditions. Alpaca, as I well know, have a very small environmental footprint, as do all of their camelid cousins. Agribusiness, therefore, should be actively seeking methods to more efficiently and humanely raise the meat animals they do raise, or turn to animals that have a much lighter impact environmentally as well: camelids and rabbits, and deer. Encouraging meat eaters to give up the steak and focus on camel, alpaca, rabbit, deer, kangaroo and other low impact meats should be a major part of any campaign to decrease the environmental impact of livestock farming. Responsible harvesting, care and management of wild game is also a big component in this equation.
I believe the gentleman that said vegetarians are morally obligated to eat this product has a rather cogent argument in his favor. Those who are vegetarian because they do not wish to be part of a system that exploits and abuses animals, by logic, should go out of their way to support any workable system that either discourages or makes it unnecessary to hurt or exploit animals. If this project reaches the point where the cells can be harvested from living animals without causing negative effect, and the animals so used are treated humanely, then the development of this protein source should be strongly supported and encouraged. Given this technology has advanced this far, it stands to reason that the meat produced could be engineered to be a very healthy protein source. If it were economically feasible, this would be far less of an environmental impact than actual livestock farming. It stands to reason that small herds of animals would be able to continuously feed large numbers of people, which would be a good thing for the environment as a whole. If those small herds were comprised of low impact animals as outlined above, the benefit would be even greater. Fiber producing animals that were also used to produce hides or leather when they are too old to live happy lives would provide a continuing source of leather and fiber products.
I have to wonder whether anyone else feels that these types of experiments are a form of "playing God", on a small scale. Would this concept be a deterrent, or an asset?

@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
8 Oct 12
I wonder about that as well-- I know the Zulu and ZSosa in Africa considered cattle to be wealth-- it didn't matter how sick or miserable they were, either. So people hoarded cattle and the poor beasts were in misery.
Is the cow slaughter ban a religious thing? I seem to remember something about India and "sacred Cows"-- but then again, I also remember reading about the Apis bulls, and Apis cats in ancient Egypt. They have found all kinds of mummified cats, bulls and crocodiles and ibises. At any rate, I would think that people would just stop breeding animals over time, and they could always spay or neuter them.
Sorry, allknowing, but chickens aren't normally pets-- and you found out why. Everything has a place in the world, and for chickens, it's eggs (and dinner at some point, for non- vegetarians). It's like people here in the USA that keep pot bellied pigs for pets. Horrible fate for a nice, intelligent animal.. They come from Viet Nam and the Malay peninsula originally-- but now they are exotic pets. Americans are weird like that, pot bellied pigs, mini horses and who knows what else.
I would think that if the new meat became popular and was tasty and widely available, that smart farmers would keep only a small herd of the finest animals so their blood could be drawn to make the meat. The agribusiness guys would love that concept-- fewer animals, cheaper costs, making money. In agribusiness, it's all about the bottom line, and with that kind of science around, they could lower their costs and still make the same profit. Heck, they'd be standing in line to get permission to do it. If they could sell the same amount of product with 1/10th the number of animals, for instance, they'd be all for the idea.
But the idea still creeps me out a little. First we have poopburgers. Now we have meat magically produced from by products. It puts me in mind of the old movie Soylent Green-- everyone ate soylent, a synthetic food, because the world was too overpopulated and too polluted too grow anything anymore. The government advocated selective euthanasia-- people would go to centers when they were ready to die, and be gently put to sleep. At the end, the hero (Charlton Heston, I believe) screamed out the awful truth-- soylent green was made out of people. Sometimes I wonder what will happen, as the HUMAN population is severely out of control. The droughts around the world this summer are already causing riots, and the prices of basic foods are going up. If next year turns out to be as bad, things will be worse. The realities of over-population are something no one really wants to think about-- but we need to. Man is a very resource hungry animal, and what will happen when the resources aren't around? Yikes. The animal population is self correcting, if people let Mother Nature do her job-- but the human population isn't because people won't let it be. We could very well breed ourselves into extinction.
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@allknowing (153529)
• India
8 Oct 12
Cows in India are considered sacred by Hindus and the slaughter ban is on in several States. Here where I live we do not get beef. We stopped eating red meats anyway since many years.
@allknowing (153529)
• India
8 Oct 12
First things first
"There is a guy in Japan, that recently created the first food made out of feces (a poopburger, to put it politely)-- and it's edible-- but it would be a marketing nightmare LOL."
And you say you have put it politely!!
. Lucky I had my breakfast before reading this. God is on my side!
Granting that this is in the interest of mankind, after going through all the pros and cons, what worries me is what can one do with animals if they are no longer used as meat. I had this problem when I got this bright idea of keeping chickens as pets. When their combs grew they were not able to see the food they were eating and the other birds would attack the combs which would bleed.
We have cow slaughter ban here and those poor cows are confined somewhere and I doubt if they are taken care of in the manner they should be.
"There is a guy in Japan, that recently created the first food made out of feces (a poopburger, to put it politely)-- and it's edible-- but it would be a marketing nightmare LOL."
And you say you have put it politely!!
. Lucky I had my breakfast before reading this. God is on my side!
Granting that this is in the interest of mankind, after going through all the pros and cons, what worries me is what can one do with animals if they are no longer used as meat. I had this problem when I got this bright idea of keeping chickens as pets. When their combs grew they were not able to see the food they were eating and the other birds would attack the combs which would bleed.
We have cow slaughter ban here and those poor cows are confined somewhere and I doubt if they are taken care of in the manner they should be.
@anne25penn (3305)
• Philippines
8 Oct 12
I still prefer to stick to what was grown on land rather than in a test tube. Scientists may be exploring this as a means in case that the Earth finally gets tired of people polluting the air, water and land that it refuses to let anything grow. This is one of the reasons why I love living in my third world country. I can still grow vegetables in my small plot of land and not care about GMOs and pesticides.
@allknowing (153529)
• India
8 Oct 12
Same here. In fact we shifted from a Metro and settled down in a semi rural setting where we have plenty of fresh air and enough place to grow what we want. But we need to have a thought for those who cannot do that. As individuals we can play roles in conserving energy, water and see that we do not pollute the air!
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
8 Oct 12
Wow..that is interesting. I can't say that I am excited about "test tube" meat but it certainly would take the ethical stand point away for vegetarians. It would definitely take a while for me to wrap my mind around it though..if I ever did. It's weird.
@allknowing (153529)
• India
8 Oct 12
We have a long way to go. There will be the usual debate some for and some against which will last for eons I bet.
Solution lies in realisation. Realisation that there is enough for everybody as things stand even today but it is bad management that has brought us to this state.
@vandana7 (102698)
• India
7 Oct 12
Well, at least it wont feel as if we are murdering some animal..
However, as far as stem cells are concerned, I would rather they stick with making those organs. And robotics should try and develop robots who can do surgeries. We need those guyes as of yesterday. Do you know what surgeons charge for a simple eye operation? Since robots cant demand, I presume it would be much cheaper.
@allknowing (153529)
• India
7 Oct 12
The topic was how to feed mankind at the rate at which population is growing and the rate at which food is dwindling. The stem cells will have to be taken from the animals to begin with and they will multiply at a rapid speed providing the imminent needs of the population. They are trying to match the taste and smell with the original and hope that even vegetarians will also like it. It will definitely be much much cheaper.
@deazil (4730)
• United States
7 Oct 12
Um.....I don't think so. I don't eat much meat and I sure don't want a test tube burger. That kind of grossed me out. Very interesting, though. But no, uh-uh. Not gonna eat one.@allknowing (153529)
• India
8 Oct 12
Suppose you had only stones as food, or your plate was empty would you still refuse the test tube burger I would be putting on your plate?

@allknowing (153529)
• India
8 Oct 12
Gladly. You need not wash those stones. I have done that with recycled water but don't ask me which water I have recyled!

@anklesmash (1412)
•
7 Oct 12
I hope that one day they will find a way to make test tube meat a cost effective alternative to killing animals for meat.In theory it could have a really large and positive impact on the world.It could reduce starvation by the large amount of food it could produce and all the land that is used to grow food for animals that will be turned to meat could be used to feed people instead.At the moment there is enough land to grow enough food to feed all the people but a lot of it is used to feed livestock instead.
@allknowing (153529)
• India
8 Oct 12
To start with however they would need to extract stem cells from animals and if killing animals is what bothers you what will one do with those when they become old? That question has been bothering me for long. I am an animal lover and have had several pets. I also had chickens as pets but when they become old there are so many problems that I realised only when they reached that age. I have vouched never to have chickens as pets. It is ordained that some animals are to be treated as food but they need to be killed in a humane way which is not what is happening

@subhojit10 (7375)
• India
7 Oct 12
Hey thanks a ton for this piece of news. In fact i too have heard about this news somewhere before and was thinking if this becomes a reality then what would be the taste and nutrition content of the test tube meat and fish and how different would it be from the conventional meat and fish were the questions that always popped up in my mind. Now the scientists have to work hard so that they can produce a desirable test tube fish and meat for all of us in the future.
What say?
@allknowing (153529)
• India
8 Oct 12
Before it comes to your table or mine there are bound to be endless debates at global levels in the first place as the very though is repugnant. No doubt we need food and with weather and labour conditions being as they are there is little doubt that desperate measures are called for.





