Men will be boys

Australia
October 12, 2012 7:31pm CST
An introductory note: this is a non-partisan issue, and I would appreciate it if the various packs of Pavlov's dogs could avoid slavering and drooling their partisan rubbish here. We have in Australia a public broadcasting station funded by the federal government, totally advertisement free and employing the very best of Australia's investigative and political journalists. This morning as I lay in bed having my wake-up cigarette, the presenter of the Sat. morning show had on two people, one a highly respected political scientist, a senior professor at one of our leading universities, talking about the polarised state of today's parliamentary debate, not only here but around the world. She suggested that modern parliaments are there to allow political debate that 200 years ago would often have ended in pistols at dawn, and described parliament as "forums to manage male aggression". I thought this was so apt I nearly fell out of bed laughing. It does raise an interesting issue regarding the presence in many parliaments now of female politicians, and I will come back to that in another discussion after I have done some research, but it certainly throws some light on the current sexism furor brought about here by the blatant sexism and misogyny of the leader of our conservative opposition party, a Catholic former seminarian, and his highly aggressive and plain nasty personal attacks on our female Prime Minister. That situation certainly is partisan, but it doesn't matter one iota which party is in power, because the aggression and male supremacy rubbish is endemic in both sides of politics. I remember reading one of the early radical left feminists making the bitter point that after the cell meetings, the women got to make the tea and clean up the meeting room while the boys (not men) went out for a drink. That same female Prime Minister has to spend half her time and energy fighting off the sexists and misogynists in her own cabinet, to say nothing of putting up with sexist and misogynist male journalists and political commentators and cartoonists around the place. But back to the point. The immaturity of the bulk of male politicians is made blatantly clear by the presence of some politicians who are clearly not aggressive attack dogs, but reasoned and admirable mature men. The former leader of that same Australian conservative party stands out in my mind, and indeed I am hopeful that before the next election his party sees some sense and returns him to the leadership, and there are also two independent, nominally conservative members, who also show considerable wisdom and maturity, along with several of the government ministers. So, tell me, are the politicians in your country also mostly boys pretending to be men? Lash
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@Rollo1 (16676)
• Boston, Massachusetts
13 Oct 12
It's impossible not to bring partisanship into it, because in the US, women in politics are only attacked and demeaned if they are conservative. The liberals believe that certain groups belong to them and are part of their base of support. The prevailing concept among the liberals is that if you belong to a certain group, you must think along the same lines as the rest the group, they believe in group-think. The only time the same treatment was afforded a woman who is a Democrat was when Hillary Clinton ran against Barack Obama in the primaries for their Party's nomination. The snickering, sniveling liberal press talked about her pantsuits, her hairdo, her makeup, everything but her positions on issues. When men disagree on politics, they get called lots of names but when women are on the opposite side of the political spectrum from the main cadre of liberal journalists, they are demeaned, calling degrading names and their gender is used like a weapon against them in disgusting and vile ways. But regardless of where the attacks come from, and against whom they are directed, as long as people laugh at the misogynist jokes perpetrated by these immature journalists and politicians, there is no real progress in the area of women's rights. Because the first right is to have your own opinion, whether anyone likes it or not. If you are a man, they will attack your position. If you are a woman, they will attack your dignity.
• Australia
14 Oct 12
What's your problem????????????????????????????????? Lash
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
14 Oct 12
Yes indeed my dear Lash. They most certainly are. I would describe it best as like a teen adjusting to all those new hormone levels. You know...acting like one person at home and another with the peers. Lies so that they can experiment with things that were previously taboo. The more friends the better. Cleaning their room when it benefits them.
• Australia
15 Oct 12
And, unfortunately, often being the schoolyard bullies. You're studying sociology, have you seen any studies on the school backgrounds of your country's politicians? I know I read a fair bit about it regarding Britain and Australia, with so many of the conservatives having gone to exclusive private schools and running politics as a private Mens club. My own school indeed has produced quite a large number of politicians (and the Packer boy of media fame), and the current conservative crew here boast a large proportion of them. Lash
@GardenGerty (169452)
• United States
13 Oct 12
I think so, yes. Although there are women in politics, it does seem that it is the boys who have to run the fastest, jump the highest and tell the tallest tales, all the while saying " no girls allowed" It is the "win at any cost" or "never admit you are wrong" school of thought.
• Australia
13 Oct 12
I did some figures on female representation in another of today's discussions, and the best figures I found (Western World) were my own country with some 32% of federal pollies being female, and the worst of the ones I looked at being the USA with about 17%. It's a long way to equality. Lash