How many times do I have to be saved?

@JenInTN (27514)
United States
November 18, 2012 4:57am CST
There was a couple of years ago when I had someone show up in my life and save me from a terrible mistake where buying a car was concerned. Some of you may remember that but anyway..my daughter blew a head gasket in her little car so I recently gathered some money I had saved and have been in the market for a little used car..reliable..that I would be ok with her and the baby in. Everyone I try to deal with either lies about the cars or tries to sell you a piece of junk! I thought that $3500 would buy her a decent little car but I am starting to wonder. I am so aggravated. I can't trust anyone where this is concerned. I am having to add taking her back and forth to work to my agenda and it's not easy being up at 4am and picking her up at 11:00pm to take her home. Ok..so there is my first post in ranting SO to make this a discussion..have you ever lost faith in people? Have you ever tried to get a decent ride and everyone you deal with try to take you for what you are worth? Oh...and I had a friend that really saved my hiney when they looked over a seemingly great car and found an electrical issue. Thus the title of the discussion.
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@1hopefulman (45123)
• Canada
19 Nov 12
All I can say is, be careful with used cars! If you have a trusted friend who is mechanic, have them check carefully any car you intend to purchase. I learned my lesson the hard way, as I have bought many cars, both used and new in my life.
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@1hopefulman (45123)
• Canada
22 Nov 12
The honest truth is that very few people really care for anyone else but themselves. I wished we lived in a different world but we don't. One day we will but it is not so today. Continue to be cautious and keep your eyes wide-open.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
22 Nov 12
Thanks..I will. It is very discouraging though. I have always had a certain ridiculous faith in people and I guess I thought when I told them it was for the daughter and baby they would have taken a little mercy and been honest. Not so though. I will be careful but I don't know if I will get out of this one without a scratch..lol.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
21 Nov 12
Oh..I just hate that we have to be so careful. I have even said..look..it is for my daughter and her baby..I need something reliable and safe. They will still try to get you..they don't care.
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@Orson_Kart (6114)
• United Kingdom
19 Nov 12
I'd love to save you, Jen. Save you for a rainy day! The second-hand car market seems to attract the most unscrupulous people. Sellers who will do their utmost to pass on unroadworthy vehicles onto unsuspecting buyers without a care. I always try to buy from a reputable dealer, but it always comes at a price. They usually give at least a year's guarantee and say they have done a 136 point check before giving you it. Years ago I had a wooden car. Wooden wheels, wooden engine, wooden go.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
22 Nov 12
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
19 Nov 12
I saw a wooden car the other day during my quest for reliability. They only wanted $30,000 for it. Not quite what I was looking for but I actually thought about test driving it so I could say I drove a wooden car once. Now those wooden go cars seem to be everywhere.[em]rofl[/]
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• United Kingdom
22 Nov 12
Not that I am jealous or anything, but......you have been handing out hugs like they are going out of fashion, and how many did I get? Zilch, nada! Remember, I don't have a wooden heart.
@finlander60 (1804)
• United States
19 Nov 12
This is going to be my attempt to help you out, from a distance. Small cars that get good fuel mileage, long lives and low frequencies of needing repairs are probably your best bet. Factor in, however, that SERIOUS accidents are more likely to be hard on the occupants of those types of vehicles. A REPUTABLE REPAIR FACILITY should be able to do a thorough check before you spend your money. Most of those will, however, expect to be paid for that kind of inspection. Is there a good reason for not repairing that head gasket? If it is already paid for, fixing it could be a less expensive way to go and you would have the knowledge of knowing what you have already. I hope this helps you. If you have any other questions about this subject you could PM me here and I will try to help.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
19 Nov 12
I only paid 1200. for the Saturn when I got it for myself several years ago. It has been a wonderful car but every one that has priced the head gasket has priced it around the same price as what I paid for it to fix it. Then they say there may be damage to the rings too. It started with a water pump. A mechanic replaced it for $185 and then said..oh and by the way. I am looking for one of those little cars like a Honda, Toyota, or Nissan. Thank you very much and I may be PMing you.
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• United States
20 Nov 12
If you would be so kind as to get me the basic information on the Saturn, such as engine, year, mileage on it I can look it up and see what is a REASONABLE PRICE to pay for the work needed. You might be able to ask an INDEPENDENT SHOP what is a reasonable price for the work that you need.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
21 Nov 12
It's a 99 Saturn SL..4 cylinder..159,000 miles. I do know a guy that is out of work right now that does mechanic work...he might be interested in fixing it if it is work fixing. It was a good deal when I got it. It only had around 60,000 miles on it when I got it so all those miles have been put on there by me and her.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
18 Nov 12
I hope u can find a good honest dealer if there is such a thing.. I fought w/men for years about vehicles. In 2004 i finally got a good one. It was a program car & had very few miles. don't want to brag but so far so good.GOOD LUCK.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
19 Nov 12
They must see me coming a mile away..or think they do anyway. My papaw used to be a mechanic and I learned enough to hang in there with them...at least over common issues. That electrical issue would have got me though. It seemed like a really really nice car. It is ridiculous to have to fight so hard just to get your money's worth. Thank you jo I need all the luck I can get with this one.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
19 Nov 12
dont know what to tell you on this. as thats how my son got in over his head with his sister here. his car was the only transportation and they were sharing it till it got to much for us all. so she went to try and find one with him and they couldnt find a decent cheap one so he ended up signing for her to be buying one. co signing that is. now hes afraid if she moves out she might miss payments and ruin his credit so thus another factor in the room mate/living in his house factor situation.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Nov 12
hi bunnybon oh wow thats not really what you need to augment peace and tranquility in your home.usually a guy will get the used car people to be more helpful than when a woman tries to find a decent cheap used car. oh its really a hassle when one co signs for a family member.Yet she had to have her own transportation too. I hope she is still working so she can keep up the car payments If she moves out surely she will still keep up her payments as she must be aware that in cosigning it puts the co signer at huge risk if the person does mot keep up the payments.My son's boss had enough faith in him to co sign the deposit on his section 8 apartment.so now myson has been slowly paying him back each month and getting several small loans from the bank of M O M. lol =but he told me it would all be paid off b y January first.I hope so as bank MOM has very little funds herself lol,. I would never turn my son down of course.He has always paid me back and thats just fine.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
19 Nov 12
Hi bunnybon! Yes..that cosigning can put the worry on someone. She wouldn't be able to pay a payment right now if we did get her something financed. She has been at that job now for 3 years and barely gets 35 hours a week. No raises..nothing. SHe has been wanting to get another job but that have been few and far between too.
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
18 Nov 12
Ok..so there is my first post in ranting Welcome to MyLot dear JenInTN But this is supposed to be a serious place where I shouldnt be using any of those lol emoticons!!! For the discussion - of course there have been many many times when I have been taken for a ride and I almost ended up losing faith in people. But then, they say faith is stronger than many other strong people and hence it is still alive in us (and me too). For one, this friend of mine, he promised to take me to lunch with one of his clients and it was presumed we would discuss business and work over lunch. I waited, and waited and waited... no calls no signals from him and he even didnt care to pick up my calls. That evening he turned up saying the meeting was cancelled and rescheduled for next day. (at least he could have told me and I could have cooked my own lunch). And the same happened next day. I gave up and forgot it all. A week later the client called up and asked me if I could do that assignment and guess what, that client was my client earlier and I had introduced them... He left me because the friend told him he would do the same work at 50% lesser than my charges so the client and he were together, only to realize that they could not go on well. And now that client wanted to revert back to me with older prices... to which I had to refuse.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
18 Nov 12
Thank you for the warm welcome my dear friend I love bright sides and you always bring light to my discussions. I don't blame you for refusing. There is principal to be considered. Some of the cars that I have looked at, I would have actually bought had they been honest. It was just that it made me wonder what else they were hiding. Lies usually never come in ones..lol.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
18 Nov 12
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
18 Nov 12
Lies usually never come in ones How true. Once you start a lie, you end up saying so many others just to safeguard the first one! And still people lie I love bright sides and you always bring light to my discussions. - It is so because I feel so very close to you as a friend and I, at times take that liberty
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
18 Nov 12
Try finding a carmax place to buy a car have them show you the results of the test they make I know its hard to find a good car that hasnt been abused or let go for the problems they have had with it. Good luck in finding one soon!
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
18 Nov 12
yup I think it is a good way to go and if you can do it free yourself even better
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• United States
18 Nov 12
We purchased a car that Jim was interested in. I had a budget in mind, but they could only sell it to us for $253 a month (I wanted $200, so this is a stretch). Well now the car has yet another problem-we haven't even had it 10 months yet, so we're shopping once again. Wish we had used CarFax to begin with!
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
18 Nov 12
Thanks Lakota! A friend told me yesterday that you can get the VIN number and run the car through the carfax yourself...for free too! I still haven't checked it out yet to see if she was right but that is a great idea. Carfax is a good tool.
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@sacmom (14192)
• United States
18 Nov 12
Oh, I know how you feel Jen. I myself just recently went hunting for a used car. I thought I found a couple of decent ones through private parties on craigslist too. The way these people described their vehicles, they sounded pretty darn good...that is, until my husband took a look at them in person. Well, time was running short for me to get a car, so we decided to look around at used car lots. Eek! LOL After 4 car lots (and several disappointing cars) we finally found one he was happy with and that was within our price range too. Anyway, don't give up hope. There are people out there that are honest about their cars. It's probably rare, but it does happen. After all, I'm one of them. Whenever I've sold any cars, if it had any issues I always made sure to list them. By the way, it's too bad you're not in Ca. I could have sold you the Pathfinder I had. It was a great car too. Big, safe, and reliable. It was even a 4x4. The only reason I was selling it was because I needed the money at the time. (Oh, wait, you said little car...) I hope you find a (reliable) car for your daughter soon (try to avoid Fords, Dodge, and anything else American made). Good luck!
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
18 Nov 12
Thanks sacmom! It has been tough. Tons of great deals around when I don't need one or have the means. It is discouraging. I am going to meet someone today and hopefully they will have what I need...or at least be honest about it.
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@derek_a (10874)
19 Nov 12
Hi Jen, I think the world over, there are rogues in the car business. It is always perfect when you are going to buy one, but when they look at yours, if you are trading it in, then it is rubbish and not really worth anything! That is the way it is here. In the UK it is best if we can take a mechanic or engineer with us. It tends to cost a few hundred pounds, but that could be money well-spent if you know nothing about cars. I am fortunate that I taught myself quite a lot about cars when I was first driving. My dad bought me an old car that needed constant maintenance and not having the money for expensive repair bills, I learned a lot about what could go wrong. My friends at the time were in the same boat and we would often be fiddling about with our engines or other parts, and that's how we learned. Girls didn't tend to do this though, but usually knew of somebody who knew a thing or two. I would say it is a question of "buyer beware" in the car market, unless you are going to the bigger franchise dealers where there are guarantees, but in order to give guarantees they tend to sell used cars with low mileage and service histories etc, and that means they are more expensive. It would be worth considering allowing in your budget for an engineer's report on the road-worthiness of the car and never take a seller's word for the condition. Over here sellers don't expect to be trusted even if they are honest. I have sold cars myself and although I knew they were OK, I fully expected for a buyer to turn up with a mechanic to check it out and was surprised if they didn't. Good luck with your purchase and I hope you get a good buy.. _Derek
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
21 Nov 12
Hi Derek! Yes..there are rogue everywhere where the car business is concerned. I think it is wise advice to have someone experienced check one out before I buy it. My grandfather used to be a mechanic and I was his little shadow. I know what to check for as far as motor issues go but when it comes to the electrical issues or the hidden wrecks...not so attentive. I need to be better at that I guess if I am going to be out there looking. I just hate that there is so much bull to shift through trying to find someone half way decent. I passed up one deal just because I busted him in one lie. If he lied about one thing..there are other things that he lied about too I'm sure.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Nov 12
Hi J enINtn I don't drive and have no car bu my friend nelda hds q yuite a time trying to find a decent used car when she went by herself. like she told me that they thought she was just an ignorant older lady so they steered her to overpriced junky cars. so she got the bright idea to take her adult son Michael with her. he is totally awesome as a car mechanic. so he knew cars and they started showing him decent working used cars.but it took a man to deal with the male chauvinst men in the used car lots.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
19 Nov 12
That burns me up too. I hate fact that we have to even worry about that. If someone has the money they should be able to buy a decent car without a bunch of bilking going on. I do hope that we find her something decent soon. I am wore out..lol.
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• United States
19 Nov 12
When it comes to cars, you should try to get someone you trust to take a look at the car--especially if the car is being sold privately. When it comes to choosing a dealer, it is good to have a personal recommendation--or multiple recommendations, if you can. When we bought our current car, we bought it from a dealer that my boyfriend's cousin had recommended. He had personally dealt with them on multiple occasions, and he had always had good experience with them.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
21 Nov 12
That is very good advice. People build reputations based on their business dealings. I am glad you found someone decent to deal with. It seems very hard for me to find that. Thanks for responding.
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
18 Nov 12
I think the word integrity has been removed from American dictionaries and from the hearts and minds of the American people.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
18 Nov 12
Hi bestboy! It certainly seems to get worse all the time. Thanks for the input.
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@lelin1123 (15595)
• Puerto Rico
18 Nov 12
I have never been in such a situation when buying a car. In life though trusting people is sometimes hard. If you go to a complete stranger selling a car from their home you can't always trust that. However, if you go to a dealer selling used cars they have a carfax to tell you everything about the car. If the car was in an accident, how many owners it had etc....! I would go that route if I were you. My hubby's cousin got a used car for 2700 dollars and it is in great shape no body damage and it is working great. I hope you find something soon because getting up at 4am is not a good thing for your well being.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
18 Nov 12
That is exactly what I have been trying to tell those people I work for since 1999! No one should have to get up that early. I am starting to think I will never find a decent deal for the money I have. My b/f's friend keeps telling me to be patient and it will come though. Thanks for responding!
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@natliegleb (5175)
• India
19 Nov 12
its just social well being and you are so lucky to get saved all the time for saved all the time and its all faith,just stick with it for sure
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
22 Nov 12
I can only be thankful for the times I have been saved. I just hate that it has come to the point where it has to be so much..lol. Thanks for the input.
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
1 Dec 12
I find especially when it comes to working with a Car dealer, and being a woman they are not easy to deal with. You constantly hear Horror stories about the way they like to take advantage or sell you a car that needs a lot of work. We decided after this happened to us, it is best to buy new, but even then you could end up with one needing a lot of work after a yr. or two. So in the end you might need to find a reliable male friend you can take with you to help in this decision as well.
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
2 Dec 12
Well, having a friend that can help you is a good thing, especially when it comes to buying a different car. So hopefully between you and your friend and a dealer you can find what will work best for everyone. Dealing with a car can be a hassle at times and keeping it in good running shape.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
1 Dec 12
It is a shame isn't it? I wish I could afford to get a new one for her but that is way out of my budget. My b/f's friend actually worked for a car lot and knows exactly what to look for I am sure. I am hoping he will go help me..he sure saved my tail on that last one.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
18 Nov 12
Part of the reason why I use hatred as a defense, in relation to my discussion about are we born to hate is because I lost faith in people. As a child I was badly bullied, and abused, even through my teenage and adult life I continued to get bullied, and after being in two abusive relationships, I have resigned myself to being single for the rest of my life, I can depend on only myself, I have grown up to be independent, I don't rely on anyone else. I keep myself to myself and yes I am a loner, I hate being around people, I am uncomfortable and feel awkward. The only person who can save me is me.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
18 Nov 12
Hi wolfie..I could see that in your discussion. It is really hard when we have so many bad experiences. I am independent too and not one to surround myself with others unless I have to. It's like my home is my haven. When I leave work, I leave people there too. I am still waiting for that nasty cupid to sneak one in on you.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
18 Nov 12
Hi Jen, I have lost faith in people over things but I have to say that when it comes to cars, I have been very lucky. You need to find and make friends with someone that knows about cars. The most I ever paid for a car is 1000.00. That car lasted me 2 yrs and was still running fine when I got rid of it. I always buy 2nd hand and most of the cars will last at least 2 more years and I usually pay around 500.00 for them. The one I have now I paid 800.00 for. I have a couple of friends that work on cars and I always have them look them over for me first. I've been lucky, I guess. I hope you find something soon. I have a daughter that is without a license and it isn't fun.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
18 Nov 12
Hey sid! I see great deals all the time but when I have the money or need...nothing great to be found. My b/f's best friend is actually the one that swooped in and saved me on the electrical issue thing. I think I will be taking him with me from now on. I am actually supposed to go look at one today..gosh..I am actually dreading it. I just know it will be another crook. I hope that my b/f's friend is available to go with me for sure!
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• Pamplona, Spain
28 Jan 13
Me again Jen, Not so long back there was a certain red car won´t say the name or the make but I knew right from the start that is was a really bad buy. I told them so and not to buy it but buy it they did. However after months of using it they managed to sell it and only just about I knew it had an electrical problem but they kept laughing and saying no. Was I so right it has a huge electrical problem it just goes to show what some people will get up to when it comes to getting a car sold and for them to benefit from it as well. Really glad to see the back of that "crock" Actually it is a good make of car but old now but with lots of electrical problems.xxx
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
31 Jan 13
Electrical problems can be expensive. They are almost as much to fix as a major motor issue. It makes me sad to think people go to those lengths to sell pieces of junk to people that really need a way to live.
@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
15 Jan 13
I also have problems about my van and how not having a trusted mechanic has duped me into buying this piece of lemon that I drive. I think that the amount of money that I've already paid for its numerous repairs has already doubled the amount of money I paid for it. I hope that by now you've already found a 'decent' ride. And that if even for a little, you've regained a little bit of faith in people.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
20 Jan 13
Heyya bounce! Yes...I found her something but then, I found that there was a lie about that car too. Just when I thought it was going to be ok too. Well...it's not horrible..it could be worse. She is on the road in a decent car but, as with any I guess, it is just a matter of time. Such a shame the car business is what it is. Great to see you!
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
20 Jan 13
Not bad...just crazy busy. I am looking forward to great things this year. I have made a New Year's Resolution to have more fun but at the same time responsibilities at work has increased. It will be interesting to see how it works out.
@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
20 Jan 13
Great to see you here too Jen! I hope you're having a great start of the year!
@allknowing (130064)
• India
18 Nov 12
I got it recently from the one whose future we had sponsored. She came in our life when she was around 13. We educated her, got her married and here is the shocking news. She was helping us around as she was not able to pursue whatever we had offered her to ensure she had a good future. Finally she was helping us full time. During my accident she was a great help and so we promised to build her a small house in her own property. We were dishing out money at our pace which did not suit her. She was in a mighty hurry and so she robbed my gold all prompted by here rogue husband. Someone whom we had trusted and someone who had gained our trust by her exemplary behaviour during the 9 years she was with us, doing this to us was unacceptable. I trust no one now.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
18 Nov 12
Oh allknowing...that is terrible and I agree...unacceptable. Trust is one of those things that definitely have to be earned with me too and to be betrayed like that would cause me to always have that in the back of my mind. The thing that young ones don't often realize when they do stuff like that until much later is that they lost a lot more than what they will ever gain.
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