Being An Atheist, I Can't Sin - Right?

March 5, 2013 2:22pm CST
A pretty brief post. If I do not believe in a God or a Religion, then surely I can not sin? If I do not recognise any faith and religious rules, then I can not sin? If I can sin, would I care? If you do respond, don't be lazy and write GOD BELIEVES IN YOU - Have a individual thought please. That should keep the Christians busy for a while I don't need worry about the Muslims, They are answering the Allah post
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@urbandekay (18278)
5 Mar 13
I agree that as an atheist you would have no reason to care if you sin but still you could still sin all the best, urban
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5 Mar 13
I can't sin if I do not accept a God. Much like I won't win the lottery if I don't buy a ticket.
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5 Mar 13
God seems a little unfair, don't you think? My way only? That does not sound like a loving God Why would anyone buy into that? Everything has an Opt out option - Even religion. I opted out years ago I don't believe there is a God, ergo I can't sin Correction - I can only sin in the eyes of the law.
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@urbandekay (18278)
5 Mar 13
What rot, God gives you the freedom to accept him or not and you whinge it is unfair, sounds rather like a spoilt kid that complains about the parents reasonable instruction as being "That's so unfair" all the best, urban
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
5 Mar 13
I read recently that the Atheist's do have a moral code which they live by. Basically it is very much the same as a religious code of ethics just that God is ommitted. It all boils down to 'love one another' - in the broadest sense of course. So what values do you live by? Hedonistic? Or do you have moral values? It would be intersting to know. Can you sin? of course, but you would probably call it by another phrase such as ' I am sorry that I hurt you' rather than using the word sin. Because you would be aware that you did something very wrong.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
5 Mar 13
I did not say that they did not have one I said that I READ the code recently but cannpot remeber all the precepts contained in it. I spoke of the code being similar to a religious code of ethics
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• United States
5 Mar 13
Atheists being blanketed as the religious is something I find incredibly strange. If you're a baseball player, you're a baseball player. What do we call people who don't play baseball? Only with religion do we get such an obstinate stance that those daring to not believe in a god receive a brand for life to wear around in projected shame. Atheists don't have a moral "code" per se. Many of us know right from wrong in the same way millions upon millions of other people know right from wrong without religion to "guide" us. We have empathy. We live in a society. We can realize that productivity is a good thing, pain is a bad thing, and selfish desires may hurt others. We had loving parents. And, contrary to popular belief, atheists don't wait on the edge of their seats for the collapse of society's punishment system so we can run into town and murder everyone.
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5 Mar 13
Why wouldn't an atheist have a moral code? We are human we do know right from wrong.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
5 Mar 13
Somewhat similar to discussions I've had before with believers, and I don't suspect the answers I'm about to read below will be much different. My take: If I choose not to steal, for example, or to love my neighbor, I am not necessarily following a god's laws. Religion doesn't own this stuff. Religion makes that claim, with the religious pushing this claim without one single shred of evidence beyond faith. But not stealing isn't a Religion X-specific concept. The religious take: Wrong. Even if you don't believe in god, and even if you choose not to steal for other reasons, you're still abiding god's law, because it's god's law. This is the trap. It is the shell game. It's how everything ends up. God is inserted into everything. And for the purposes of this discussion specifically, that's fine. But "sin" is a conceptual thing, not a tangible law. So what it boils down to is the people who want to attribute you with sin. For example: You might not subscribe to god X, but the person who does automatically puts god X as your personal creator, your personal savior, the universe's ultimate authority, etc. So they're the ones putting the "sin" label either on themselves or on others. Nothing else does it. The Bible doesn't come to life to say you've done it. It's a book that says A, B and C, but there's nothing to show that going with or against A, B and C leads to anything. So what's sin worth? Enough people have attempted to build law around sin. But we see the difference of a secular system requiring evidence, like the American judicial system, and a conceptual basis of reward/punishment which is not rooted in reality and can convict you for "sins" which range from thought crimes to simply not believing. You can only sin as long as religious people are around to call you a sinner. Without that, you cannot.
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• United States
6 Mar 13
Well, it certainly wasn't my subject matter. No apology necessary. These are topics which have been discussed for thousands of years. And they're good discussions to have, even if the religious answer always stays the same as every single thing around it evolves beyond the point it's necessary. The biggest difference, of course, is that a couple of your responders would have killed us both were this 1613 instead of 2013. And they would happily do it. They would smile, laugh and bring their children to witness it. So I'm seriously just happy that we can have these discussions without people resorting to violence and murder in defense of a belief system which, by definition, can have no basis in the physical world we exist in. I have noticed that nonbelievers still manage to get called stupid in these discussions by the fundamental throwbacks. But that's just one of those confusing yet marshmallowy soft consequences of daring to question ingrained, passed-down cultural beliefs. myLot's Christian community seems to take it well, willingly participating by and large and treating others kindly. And that's a respect I try to give in return. Until one of the thumpers manages to insult. Then it just turns into a troll-fest.
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6 Mar 13
2013 - trust me, if they could get away with it - some would burn us as heretics
6 Mar 13
I am sorry if I have reused a subject matter - It was not my intention to do that. I would like to agree about responses.. In the majority, it was what I was accepted.
@sulynsi (2669)
• Canada
6 Mar 13
I have been at this game long enough to know when there is no point in engaging in a discussion like this, and this is one of those times its all been said before, yawn, and minds much cleverer than mine have bandied it back and forth, usually more interested in hearing themselves talk than in reason one way or another (sort of like taking verbal 'selfies') but your question amuses me because it makes me think of a joke....... 'if a man makes a mistake in the forest and there is no woman to tell him, is he still wrong?'[em]lol[/em
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• United States
6 Mar 13
In the case of a Stalinist communist state--a vicious dictatorship in which the government is god--it most certainly is all about religion. Religion was an obstacle for Lenin, and Stalin gladly adopted that stance. And why wouldn't an evil tyrant take full advantage of people with years and years of religion conditioning? Why wouldn't he act just like any other religion looking to cleanse, purge and convert? Some replace one religion with another. That's not any type of atheist doctrine. You know it, but you just can't be seen admitting it. When a religious person like a Muslim or Christian kills due to their faith, it's due to their faith. When someone like Stalin did it, it was due to a government trying to become the only entity worshiped and obeyed. It has nothing to do with atheism. The only difference between that circumstance and what people have done in the name of religion is that religious people today somehow twist the evil to be caused due to atheism, as if there was some holy atheist book guiding it and commanding that X be killed or as if a lack of god turned people evil. These Soviet monsters were just removing the competition. They didn't do it because of atheism. Religion is just one of those things that have to go if you're a tyrannical SOB looking to rule the world one communist state at a time.
@sulynsi (2669)
• Canada
6 Mar 13
ok then, literary selfies I will only engage someone in this sort of discussion IF there is a chance that I can at very least win just their respect or a concession that perhaps the view that I am sharing, while maybe not for them, has merit 'winning' in this instance, is not conquering, but rather an interchange of benefit to both parties, not a selfish grabbing at personal glory,perhaps at the expense of an opponent's dignity or peace of mind it is fairly easy to tell when a discussion is degenerating into an argument with one side trying to 'score' against the other no one 'wins' in such instances whether or not we subscribe to the idea of a'brotherhood of man', there is little doubt that, as fellow inhabitants of this earth, we can make each other's short sojourn here a pleasant or a miserable experience
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@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
6 Mar 13
Throughout the majority of religious history, Rob would have been cast out and ostracized, imprisoned, beaten and tortured, or even killed because of his speech. You just described the small history of atheist political regimes.
@Bluedoll (16774)
• Canada
5 Mar 13
Usually the word is associated with religion just as any person that states they are an atheist is associating with religion otherwise what is there to talk about? So what is sin? It depends how you define sin. Without going searching for a definition I will myself define sin to mean to be imperfect. It means to make a fault. This easy to understand definition then implies every person is a sinner. Unless someone says they are absolutely perfect and never has made a mistake in their life, everyone regardless of religion is being described. If the word were to be used in a layman’s sense with absolutely no connection to religion it would have the same meaning.
@Bluedoll (16774)
• Canada
8 Mar 13
Exactly. I've never met a man I didn't like is a quote from a famous person. We can also say we have never met a man that was perfect. If you want to find that look up.
• Mexico
6 Mar 13
Blue.... if thats true we are all sinners..
6 Mar 13
Thank you for your comments - you make valid points
@mariaperalta (19073)
• Mexico
5 Mar 13
Rob, you can sin everyday of your life. If you dont have god on your side you have nothing to fear. But now, if I was there.. youd have a big fear. Id keep you straight my friend.
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• Mexico
5 Mar 13
And dont you forget it...... Just ask miguel he will tell you, this little gal carries a big stick.
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5 Mar 13
Scary... Maria and her stick
5 Mar 13
Yes Maria... I am sure you would keep me in line
@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
5 Mar 13
Isn't that the same as saying "If I don't know the law, how can I break it!"?
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• United States
6 Mar 13
El diablo.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
6 Mar 13
God has a better prison because no one escaped yet.
6 Mar 13
Laws have been passed by real people. Sin is a concept, without evidence, substance or woth. We have prison for people that choose to ignore the LAW
@p1kef1sh (45681)
5 Mar 13
For ease of reference I am a Christian who does not follow any formal religion but works at an Anglican Cathedral. I believe in a life force greater than ourselves who for ease of reference I call 'God'. I believe in right and wrong and gradations of grey in between. I follow a personal moral and ethical code that resembles the standards of this nation. Standards that undoubtedly have their roots in state religion. I'd never be so presumptuous as to suggest what God believes in though. Can you sin? Buggered if I know. But I'll bet someone will tell you "authoratively''!
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@urbandekay (18278)
7 Mar 13
Atheists who talk of right and wrong are merely haunting God's bones. There is no authentic concept of right and wrong that does not originate with God and it is just bogus of atheists to pretend otherwise all the best, urban
5 Mar 13
We can forget about sin, if we have an understanding of right and wrong
7 Mar 13
If there is no God - where does right and wrong come from? Christian arrogance tells us we can not function as a society without a God's influence. I would put it to you that law is just an extension of natures laws and man made class morals
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
6 Mar 13
Being an Atheist is not a reason to ease any sin that you committed because as long as man still in this world he committed sin. The only different with religion was that atheist don't mind anything whether he/she doing something wrong or not.
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• Canada
6 Mar 13
I'm an atheist, and I feel really bad when I've done something wrong, or hurt something or someone... but rather then getting on my knees and asking God to help me out of it, I go and help the people I hurt, or try and fix the problems that I caused. It doesn't take religion to know if you're doing something wrong, it just takes morals.
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6 Mar 13
Are you saying that a non believer doesn't care about RIGHT AND WRONG? You are IGNORANT!!!
6 Mar 13
thank you Chris, for your views
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
6 Mar 13
If you're truly an atheist, why are you bothering to be concerned with the possibility of being a sinner?
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
8 Mar 13
Do you live up to your own code of morality 100% of the time?
8 Mar 13
Yes Do you always follow the Bible?
6 Mar 13
For the DEBATE Debra
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
5 Mar 13
In fact there is another saying : God doesn`t believe in atheists. So if He is real what we think doesn`t count too much. He makes the rules and that`s it. You are not safe even if you never heard about God ( unless He wants you to be safe ).Even if we were created by a cruel God, one that will send the saints in hell and the sinners in heaven. It is his game and we are just the toys. If He is not real then there is no sin.
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@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
5 Mar 13
It doesn`t matter if you accept it or not. It matters if He is real or not. If He is real then you sin even if you don`t accept Him and if he`s not real then you don`t sin even if you accept him. If there is a God he created you with a purpose. Having free will means to agree to follow that purpose or disagree and do whatever you like. It is His game, His rules and you are free to act as He wants and take the reward or act different and accept the punishment. Think this way. If i play a RTS game on my computer i want my peasants to gather the crops, the miners to go and mine the soldiers to fight etc. If one doesn`t act as i want then he is useless and there is no reason for me to waste energy and time to keep him alive.
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5 Mar 13
I can't accept a God
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
5 Mar 13
No. I mean the answer is as simple as that. I am not Christ but I am not an atheist and I don't believe in heaven or hell. I am wiccan. To Christians this is a sin and thus their God and their devil will send me to hell. But I don't believe in that. I don't go around killing people. Not because of some fear of divine punishment or anything like that, but because no one has really upset me enough to want to kill them yet... Oh... I mean it's against my own personal morals of course. lol. (It is against my beliefs for anyone crazy enough to think otherwise.) But in all seriousness... religions only affect those participating in them. Most people want to believe their religion is the one true religion, and if you don't follow their set of man written laws by their man written holy book in which there is no proof of... then you are sinning. As a wiccan... the Christian devil is their form of evil but it has nothing to do with me same as their heaven and hell. As an atheist, in which you have stated, dying and becoming part of the elements (my belief) and going to heave because you were "a good boy" (Christian belief) has no affect on you. You don't believe in it.
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• United States
6 Mar 13
I'm sure Iuliuxd or someone will step in here to correct me if I'm wrong. I've read the Bible, but I can't recall it all from memory. But I think you can be a very, very bad boy and still get into heaven. You'll just be the least in heaven. You're only going to hell if you don't repent and don't believe. Beyond that, do what you want.
• United States
6 Mar 13
Well, don't stop there either. See Mike's list below for some of the other things we should and shouldn't do. There go my shrimp po' boys and my variety vegetable garden.
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• United States
6 Mar 13
materfish: There are people who actually don't want to go to heaven. They might be good people. God does expect something in return for he said to love him and keep his commandments. Even parents will finally kick their kid out of the house if they are so unruly that it causes upheaval in the family. It doesn't mean they love them less although I am sure some parents might love them less. God has allowed us to see what happens when someone wants to go against the rules. Even one person has rules even if he might live by himself. The more people who live together the more rules. Matt 5:19 is what you were referring to and it does sound like you can break even the least of his commands and still go to heaven but you will be the least. However, don't stop there because the next verse tells me that I need to be more righteous than the Pharisees or I won't be going to heaven.
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@Mavic123456 (21898)
• Thailand
6 Mar 13
Rob, have you killed someone? Have you offended anyone... Have you stole something even a piece of candy from a store? Have you done anything that can't you sleep at night? Run over a mouse while you were driving or hit a gorilla on the hi-way? IF ALL ANSWERS ARE NO... You are not sinner. You are just fine. There is no argument needed here.
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@Mavic123456 (21898)
• Thailand
6 Mar 13
I think the most God's believers are the atheists, see you are concerned if you have sinned by the mere thought of not believing in Him.. and yet us Christians never even thought if we have sinned against him. I strongly believe the Atheists are truly God's believers, because how can you oppose to something that you think is not existing at all.?
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6 Mar 13
Interesting theory - Not sure there is anything in it
@Mavic123456 (21898)
• Thailand
6 Mar 13
LOL. thanks for responding back Rob... are your kids Atheists, too?
• United States
6 Mar 13
Paul did say that if it weren't for the law (commandments) he wouldn't know what sin was. You apparently know what the law says so therefore you are held accountable to obey them.
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@sulynsi (2669)
• Canada
6 Mar 13
well said
6 Mar 13
Manmade laws, not mythical sins and punishments
• United States
7 Mar 13
We are actually expected to obey manmade laws more than those made by God. Man doesn't give you a choice. Either you obey or you pay right now and maybe for the rest of your life.
@chiyosan (30184)
• Philippines
6 Mar 13
If you do not belive in God, then you won't probably have to worry whether you are pleasing him or not. But then as humans we are of different cultures, and religions, and beliefs, yes. that is correct. but then we should have our concept of right and wrong. trusting our own self when it comes to decisions we make to be a person in the society that does what is expected of him.
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6 Mar 13
Thank you
@ifa225 (14364)
• Indonesia
8 Mar 13
your life is yours your sin will be yours too if you pray to God, then God will happy but remeber He doesn't need any of your pray He can easily screw you if He wants to and whether your pray or not pray, God still exist with his power
@ifa225 (14364)
• Indonesia
8 Mar 13
do you see the sky? then show me why it can stand high without any pillar to help it? show me the existing of air... I want to touch and slamp the air please explain and prove it to me please
8 Mar 13
Spouting!! If you make statements like that, you will be asked to prove God exists Please prove it please
8 Mar 13
The Sky is a view into space - The fact that you can breathe proves that air exists Do I need to explain have scientific explanation to you. Why would pillars be needed to hold the sky up? Feathers float because they are lighter than air Still waiting for your proof of God.... Still waiting
@sulynsi (2669)
• Canada
8 Mar 13
the meaning of the word in the original language, as I understand it means 'to miss' or I guess you could say 'fall short of' sin in that context isn't so much a conscious doing of something perceived as wrong (by whomever) its more like an illness now this is according to the Bible, so you may just want to skip my post, but I'll soldier on anyway in case someone else may find it of some interest, as descendants of the first human pair, we could only inherit fro m them what they had unfortunately, by the time they had children, they had already , of their own accord, chosen to decide what was right and what was wrong they became imperfect, they missed the standard set for them by their creator we inherited 'sin' or that defective gene if you will, just like any other genetic disorder and you're right, it is very unfair, just as a child born with any defect is unfair I would have liked the chance to say you know what? I think the creator's given us a pretty good deal here pretty nice digs, nice weather, lots of grub (no horsemeator kitty fritters) I'm ok with livin' by the old man's rules (I'm a dutiful daughter that way) how do I know he exists? well for me, and this is just my thought here, not trying to push it on you, love .......seems weird maybe, but I read this scripture We love because God first loved us... I mean, love in many ways is so contrary to survival of the fittest and it is a learned response - forming attachments is difficult if not impossible unless a child learns what it is and how to respond to it that's, for me, anyway, what does it use
@sulynsi (2669)
• Canada
8 Mar 13
true, what makes sense to me obviously does not meet your criteria funny thing, logic, it is not as black and white as Mr. Spock seemed to think to me, it is logical, because it is what my personal experience tells me, that everything, from an amoeba to an airplane has a manufacturer but then, it will be asked, and understandably, well, who manufactured God? evidently, then, there are matters beyond our understanding, due to the limits of our experience, which require a good deal more thought we have free will and intelligence, and so it is for each person to decide what he or she will believe (or to use less religious terminology, accept as reality) I'm curious, was there a point at which you became an atheist or is it something you've always known?
8 Mar 13
I was about 13 or so and it just didn't seem to fit any more - It appeared to have more questions than answers. I also think that it is no coincidence either that in the UK in the 80's - School kids at the age of about 13/14 would go from being taught a general overall science to being taught the different sciences - Biology - life, creatures, evolution, reproduction etc etc. Chemistry - The incredients to life, the Universe and everything. Physics - The mechanical reasons to why everything works. To a 13 year old boy looking for answers - That list made more sense
8 Mar 13
I can never believe a Creator - it does not makes sense to me, it defies logic. Nonetheless, I would never tell a person not to believe in a God. I was raised a Catholic, so I am not completely ignorant to religious teachings. If a God makes sense of the World, then I am happy that you have found that. Many people spend a lifetime searching for simple spiritual happiness or belonging - It would appear that you have found yours and I know that I have found mine also. I think what it all comes down to is nothing complex than - What makes sense and what does one accept?
@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
6 Mar 13
I see it the way as Lamb does. That eventhough you do not believe in God's existence, you can still commit a sin. It is only through your own belief that you are not.
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6 Mar 13
As I said to Lamb - I can't sin if I don't believe in God. If I am wrong, then I will ask for FORGIVENESS -
@Angelpink (4035)
• Philippines
6 Mar 13
Hi Rob , i am respecting everyone's affiliations and beliefs . I am a christian and i believed in God. Our church teachings says that as human being we are tailored by God in His image and likeness but we are not like Him perfect ! Human being are with full of imperfections therefore we are subject to commit errors and mistakes in life. We also prone to commit a sin and our religious teachings says also that if we don't believed in God it is a sin ! I have nothing and have a respect for those unbelievers of God but i am so sad for them , why in this modern age still many don't believed to my God. How i wish to bring you to my God. I want you to meet my God . He is the greatest God ! A protector , a savior and a father of humankind.
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6 Mar 13
Don't spoil it by "Bringing" me to God
• Canada
6 Mar 13
Sin has developed a looser definition over the years, so by breaking a moral law and not a divine one it could be considered sinning. So by extension you could still sin however now we are on the loose footing of morality and what constitutes breaking a moral law. Since you are not looking to a God figure to define it for you, I would assume that you would care if you sinned because it would be a break with your own principles.
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