The families pay

@dawnald (85135)
Shingle Springs, California
September 22, 2015 10:07am CST
So your loved one is incarcerated, and that's when you find out how our prison system is designed to hurt families, and not at all set up to prevent recidivism. You bang your head against the wall, and then you deal with it, because you have little power to change it. Phone calls for example. When my niece was briefly incarcerated in Florida, I helped out my brother and sister-in-law with a one time deposit so that they could talk to her. For my $25, of which the for profit prison phone company took an $8 fee off the top, they were able to talk for about 15 minutes. Now imaging a daily 15 minute conversation, and how much that would cost you. Care packages - nope, this place didn't allow packages at all. Not only that, but letters must be addressed just so, no pictures or flowered stickers on the envelope, no family pictures in the letter, nothing. You can't send clothing, they have to buy it from the commissary. You can only send books directly from the publisher. I know they want to prevent contraband, but c'mon. Nothing like completely dehumanizing a person while they're incarcerated. And distance. Let's just take California as an example. You could be down in San Diego, and your loved one could be in Susanville or Crescent City, which is at least a day's drive, fuel cost, etc., just for a no contact visit. Or you could show up and find that the person just got transferred to Tehachapi with no notice, or to a different cell block with different visiting days. Why do they do this? To make prison administration easier is my guess. It certainly isn't done with families in mind. And then there's the new rule that allows them to strip search your mama if a drug sniffing dog looks at her funny, despite the fact that most contraband comes in via prison employees. And classes to help educate people so they can get a job when they get out? Practically non existent due to budget cuts and "tough on crime" programs. Some prisoners do get jobs inside that help them pay for things, but they are paid slave wages for jobs that for profit companies could be paying a living wage to people outside. Now a program where they offer the person the same job outside prison would actually be useful. How is any of this helping society?
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@topffer (42156)
• France
22 Sep 15
The extra cost paid for phone, tv, chocolate... is supposed to be used to compensate victims in France. When I was studying law I visited several jails. Some were not bad, but I would not have liked to be jailed in some others. In any jail the director writes internal rules ; they have to be approved by a judge, but some have really stupid rules making life more hard for prisoners. Prisons have never been thought with family in mind : a prisoner can be moved to another jail at any moment. There are some associations doing a good job for the families or the spouses of prisoners, like providing a room for a night near the jail, bringing packages to prisoners, etc.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
23 Sep 15
Prisoners here are supposed to compensate victims also, usually that's after they get out though.
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@indexer (4852)
• Leicester, England
22 Sep 15
Prisons should really only be for people who pose a threat or danger to Society, not for people who have failed to pay fines, etc. A more imaginative penal system would devise better means of punishing offenders, such as providing community service. I understand the the United States imprisons the largest proportion of its population of any country in the western world.
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
23 Sep 15
I read an article this week about how some jurisdictions have pretty much re-instituted debtor's prisons here in the US even though it's unconstitutional. Another one last week, from a Conservative publication was advocating some kind of work release program for non-violent offenders, and then an article in today's paper said more or less the same thing. Yes, we do have the world's largest prison population.
@GardenGerty (158131)
• United States
22 Sep 15
It is not, but I do not see it changing. Yes, I have been on the family side of it too.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
22 Sep 15
There's some talk about changes, but mostly just talk. I am encouraged by some of the groups in CA that came out against solitary confinement (prolonged). It appears they are finally making some headway at getting things changed.
@katsmeow1213 (28717)
• United States
22 Sep 15
I never expected prison to be easy on anyone. Why should a prisoner be allowed a care package, or be able to talk on the phone, or earn wages? They gave up those rights when they broke the law.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
24 Sep 15
@katsmeow1213 I would want them to get help and education and a job so that they wouldn't be tempted to break into homes any more. And I'd want them to pay restitution. But my sympathy is with their families more than with them (and yes, the victims - I have been burglarized multiple times). And it's with being practical. And practical is that we want to do what we need to do to keep them from reoffending. If they're violent or chronic repeat offenders than I'm totally ok with them having fewer privileges than first time offenders who need to be given a chance to mend their ways. If we stack things totally against them ever getting a job or getting their family back, what chance is there that they'll stay out of trouble.
• United States
24 Sep 15
@dawnald Help yes, education not so much. I just see something completely wrong with the idea of criminals getting things handed to them that law abiding citizens have to work hard for, such as getting an education. As far as family goes.. where was the family before the crime took place?
• United States
23 Sep 15
@dawnald I have no sympathy for people who break the law, because they have hurt someone else terribly. If someone broke into your house while you weren't home and stole everything you have, would you want them to sit up in prison getting care packages and being able to spend all day talking to their mom on the phone?