He Didn’t Like It...One Bit
@RichardMeister (5328)
Otis Orchards, Washington
April 7, 2016 4:26pm CST
I went to my critique group this morning. There was a new person there. This was his third time being at the group and first time he had brought something to read. He handed out his manuscript. He wrote that this was the way he would have written one of my published articles–if he would have written it.
We all prepared for a deep critique of my article. You know–this is what I would have changed–type of thing. He used the same title but started on a totally different subject. He wrote it as if it were for children. The article didn’t match the title in any way.
As he read I kept thinking, “This is all wrong.” Then I realized he wasn’t rewriting what I wrote but writing his own version of what he would have wrote given the same subject. Except I didn’t know what subject he was writing about.
When he was through I simply stated it would not have worked for what I wrote it for and picked out a few miner things. Then the novelist of the group ripped into him. She pointed out the article wasn’t what the title claimed it to be. That he was completely off the mark. He jumped around with too many subject matters for the reader to keep up.
Many of the others in the group told him they were totally lost by the ending. They liked parts of it but it didn’t jive with the title.
At the end of the meeting he made a remark about not agreeing with us then shot out of the room like his pants were on fire.
I understand the guy used to write advertisement for radio. And he had also written a couple of plays for a local school. So he had a writing background but I doubt he had ever been to a critique group. I don’t think he has ever written an article, either.
Anyway, I don’t think this guy liked what the group had to say about his writing. Not one bit. We’ll see if he comes back.
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@much2say (57760)
• Los Angeles, California
8 Apr 16
Uh oh. Well, a critique group is just that - for critiquing - and you never know what people are going to say. He probably wasn't expecting such a reaction - but he shouldn't have gone in with any sort of expectation. I'll bet he stormed out more in embarrassment.
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@much2say (57760)
• Los Angeles, California
8 Apr 16
@RichardMeister See, that's what I mean - you can't go to a critique group expecting anything - it can go either way. If a certain reaction is wanted or expected, there's no point going to a critique group - if a person can't handle criticism, that's not a place for them. We did a lot of critiquing in art (in college) - and oh yah, I tended to expect negative comments as well. I was not cocky to think my art had no room for improvement.
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@RichardMeister (5328)
• Otis Orchards, Washington
8 Apr 16
@much2say I think this guy thought there was no room for improvement.
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@RichardMeister (5328)
• Otis Orchards, Washington
8 Apr 16
I think he was more angered because I know when I've written something that I thought was excellent and read it just to have it torn apart, it's not a very good feeling. I think he came in thinking everyone was going to say it was one of the best things ever written. Or at least pat him on the back and tell him it was very good. I always go in knowing that there will always be something negative said about whatever I read. There have been a few times, a very few times, when I've taken something in and been told it is very good.
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@Mike197602 (15504)
• United Kingdom
7 Apr 16
I'd never heard of a critique group before.
So people write something then bring it to a group so they can be critiqued?
I bet that can get interesting at times
Sounds like it may be intense and I think you'd have to be open to that sort of thing before actually putting forward your own stuff...maybe he just wasn't ready for the criticism.
Sounds like it may be intense and I think you'd have to be open to that sort of thing before actually putting forward your own stuff...maybe he just wasn't ready for the criticism.1 person likes this
@RichardMeister (5328)
• Otis Orchards, Washington
8 Apr 16
Yes, critique groups are exactly how you described them. They are to help writers write better. And yes, you have to be open to criticism. And you also have to be aware of whatever is suggested is just that–suggestions. If, in the end, the writer decides the suggestions aren't right, then he can toss them out. I have found if more than one person suggests the same thing, then it is worth making the change.
Years ago I was at a critique group and we were going around the table making suggestion when the person who wrote the piece suddenly yelled out, "This isn't being written by committee, you know!" After that he didn't come back for several months. When he did come back it was as if he realized we were helping and not just trying to beat him up. It's one of the hardest things for a beginning writer to realize. What is said about their writing is not a reflection on them.
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@Mike197602 (15504)
• United Kingdom
8 Apr 16
@RichardMeister I bet people can take things very personally on occasion.
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@RichardMeister (5328)
• Otis Orchards, Washington
8 Apr 16
@Mike197602 Yes. I also learned that no matter what you take someone will have something to say about it. In my early years I thought I would see what would happen if I took something written by a well known writer. I dug around until I found a short story that was not very well known by a famous writer. I took it in and acted like I wrote. They tore it apart. That is when I realized there was nothing that can't be improved on or that a critique group can't find something wrong with it. I've even taken some of my published work in and did not leave unscathed.
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@RichardMeister (5328)
• Otis Orchards, Washington
8 Apr 16
That could have been but after a couple of visits he should have known what it was about. I think he came in thinking he was the best writer who has ever graced the room. That everybody would bow down to him saying he was the master. I think he was totally shocked anyone had anything negative to say about what he had written.
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@akalinus (44366)
• United States
7 Apr 16
Some published authors are arrogant when they get to these writer groups. They imagine themselves superior and look down on the rest of the members. I belonged to a group where this happened.
Some people don't blend well into a group. Someone new joined and there was a personality conflict with some of the old members. The group finally broke up because of it. I still stay in touch with some of them even though we are in different states now.
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@RichardMeister (5328)
• Otis Orchards, Washington
8 Apr 16
Critique group can be very helpful if you go in knowing your words are not carved in stone. I have done a lot of freelance writing over the years and was even a staff writer on a local newsmagazine. Yet I know when I read my manuscript there will be something that can be fixed or changed to make it better. I tell everyone critique groups are not to beat up the writer but to help improve their writing. In the end it is the writer's decision on what to change.
@cindiowens (5120)
• North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
9 Apr 16
I suppose the group was formed to be a productive criticism session. Perhaps he just wanted to criticize. Maybe he will learn something from the actions and come back a tad bit more humble.
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@RichardMeister (5328)
• Otis Orchards, Washington
9 Apr 16
I had hoped that would be the case, but I received an email this morning saying he would not be back and that he felt we were too harsh on him. We weren't any more harsh on him than an editor would have been.
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@cindiowens (5120)
• North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
9 Apr 16
@RichardMeister Then he is going to be disappointed time after time, and his feelings will be hurt more than not. He needs to adopt some duck qualities, and let stuff roll right off of his back, He could learn to improve if he did.
@supercalifredge (606)
• United States
7 Apr 16
Poor guy. He probably doesn't even see all the things that are wrong with it. At least everyone else saw that his article wasn't better than yours!
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@RichardMeister (5328)
• Otis Orchards, Washington
8 Apr 16
Mine was only better because the guy didn't stick to one subject. His writing was pretty good. In the end it wasn't, "my writing is better than yours." It was more, "This is how I would have covered the subject." Only thing is he wasn't covering the subject–he was trying to cover too many subjects. It totally confused the reader.
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