Is calling a woman "Pocahontas" a racial slur or a gender slur or both?
By DW Davis
@DWDavis (25797)
United States
June 11, 2016 10:25am CST
Just when the GOP thought they'd handled Trumpolini's racially charged tirade against the judge hearing the case against Trump "Target the Poor and Elderly" University, Il Dono spews more racial tinged epithets at Elizabeth Warren. He has to use insults for the simple reason he cannot possibly defend the marketing practices of T.U., just as he had to use insults and slurs all through the primary campaign because he had nothing of substance to say.
Do you agree (without resorting to attacking E.W. for having claimed to be descended from the First Inhabitant because that's another discussion) that Trumpolini's use of the term "Pocahontas" is a racial slur? And is it a slur against Elizabeth Warren, or against all of the descendants of the First Inhabitant of this continent?
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@gr8nana6 (6614)
• Conyers, Georgia
11 Jun 16
I have to agree with @JamesHxstatic that it is indeed a slur against E.W. and all of the descendants.
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@JamesHxstatic (29410)
• Eugene, Oregon
11 Jun 16
As used, it is certainly a slur and was no doubt meant to be. I think it is against her and all, yes.
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@JohnRoberts (109841)
• Los Angeles, California
11 Jun 16
By that definition then the Disney movie Pocahontas is offensive because because the Indian maiden submits to the white man.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
11 Jun 16
@JohnRoberts As I recall, many descendants of the First Inhabitants did fine the Disney movie Pocahontas offensive because it not only sexualized Pocahontas, but factually it go so much of the story wrong.
@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
11 Jun 16
@JamesHXstatic You are correct that Il Dono used the term as an intentional slur against EW and it is another sign of the racism inherent in his character.
@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
13 Jun 16
I believe it was Trumps way of bringing to attention the lies Elizabeth Warren said about how she was a native american. because of what she said about him.
I am white, and my husband is 100% native american. He did not feel offended by the comment..and because of your question i called other family members, and they even asked other natives if they were offended or thought it was anything other than a slam at warrens lies.
You want warrens lies left out of the conversation when that is all it was about....
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@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
14 Jun 16
@DWDavis Where is the info about him not paying contractors..I would like to read it. I have not seen it. I like looking on all the facts. If they did not get paid they can put a lien on it. We were in construction for 40 years and did that many times. my husband was a drywall contractor. We had 3 crews of framers, hangers, finishers, and sometimes painters. We also had many workers that put a lien on us. because of not being paid. or back charged for the bad work that they did. we always gave them the chance to fix what was wrong or not get paid for the bad work. It has been about 15 years since we worked but back in the day if a lien was placed work was stopped and the work was inspected by city inspectors, and decided who was right. 99 percent of the time we were right by withholding payment. The one thing that we were tough on was the work being done right..If a framer does something wrong it puts everything off. being in the building business even though it was a small one. i know first hand the mess sub-contractors can make especially if someone new is on the crew and they are not watched. Hangers can also make a lot of extra work for the finishers if they do not do it right, and if they did not want to go back and fix what they messed up then partial payment was withheld and given to the finishers because they had to do the extra work. ECT.
If the job is late being done that is another reason to withhold partial payment. because then it backs up all the other trades that need to get in to do their jobs..Most builders give bonuses if you finish early... and as a contractor that bonus also trickles down to other workers.
eminent domain laws are in effect it happens all the time. a friend that lived in their home for about 50 years lost their home because the city wanted to build a parking lot. We need to change the laws. I do not know if they are the same for business owners. But he did not take the house, that he offered a fair price for.
As for trump university their is good and bad comments about it, we have to listen to both sides and at least wait to see what happens in court.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
14 Jun 16
Warren's lies are fodder for another discussion. I wanted this discussion to remain focused on Trump's perceived insensitivity to our continents First Inhabitants, as it points to his true character, which his history shows is much stained.
I am glad that your husband and the others are not offended by Trump using the name of one of the most famous and honored First Inhabitants as a pejorative and an insult.
@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
14 Jun 16
@dlr297 I hope you are right about Trump's intentions and his love of country. I would be a little more reassured, perhaps, if I didn't know so much about what an unscrupulous business man he's been, how he's lied and cheated so many people out of so much money, from refusing to pay subcontractors (at last count he'd refused to pay around 18,000 subcontractors the money he owes them), to trying to steal homes from people, including an 80 year old widow, to build a limousine parking lot for his casino, to the fiasco of the scam that was Trump University. I agree everyone has character flaws, but as far as I can tell, Trump has a flawed character.

@LadyDuck (502946)
• Italy
11 Jun 16
I also agree with @JamesHxstatic and @gr8nana6 .
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@Tampa_girl7 (54744)
• United States
11 Jun 16
It would depend on how it was said. I didn't hear it. I have Native American Indian ancestry and am proud of it.

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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
11 Jun 16
@Tampa_girl7 Il Dono said it as an insult and meant it as such, using it to demean Elizabeth Warren because of her claim years ago that she had Cherokee or Delaware ancestry.
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@ModernDayWriter (3318)
• New Delhi, India
11 Jun 16
What is the meaning of "pocahontas"? 

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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
11 Jun 16
When the first Englishmen came to Virginia they met a tribe of First Inhabitant Descendants. The daughter of the chief of the tribe was named Pocahontas. She befriended one of the members of the English party and eventually married another Englishman. She is famous for having saved the life of an Englishman named John Smith.
@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
11 Jun 16
@ModernDayWriter Smith landed in Virginia with the goal of establishing a colony in 1607.
@ModernDayWriter (3318)
• New Delhi, India
11 Jun 16
@DWDavis in mid 15? In year 1531 may be 

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@Ceerios (4698)
• Goodfellow, Texas
15 Jun 16
@DWDavis - Brother DW - Calling a woman Pocahontas is probably a lot better than yelling that name at the world's champion heavyweight boxer after he leaves the Long Branch Saloon as drunk as a three-bottle drunk can get. In your example, calling that senator lady Pocahontas is probably overkill.
Politics - what would we do without it? 

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@JohnRoberts (109841)
• Los Angeles, California
11 Jun 16
No. It's gone too far in the slightest term being labeled racist or a slur. You can interpret Pocahontas as a slur as Trump intended to remind people of the insane lie she made or a bad choice on his part because Pocahontas can be perceived as positive as a beautiful and intelligent woman. This can be compared to Washington Redskins which people are screaming as a racist name to change. The name Redskins is a tribute to the bravery and fierce determination of Native Americans. We have reached a point that no matter what Trump says or even regular folks say, it's offensive. I have read that African Americans are now interpreting simple glances by white people as racist. Where does this end?
You are such a Trump hater that you bring this up. You have no problem with the offensive names he has been called? You are jumping at anything anti-Trump in your hate and yes, hate. You will deny but you are constantly attacking him. How about equal time in putting similar effort in discussing the inane and offensive statements of Clinton and the left.
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@DWDavis (25797)
• United States
11 Jun 16
@JohnRoberts You did not disappoint me in the least. I knew when I posted this discussion that rather than sticking to the topic of whether or not Trump's use of the term was racist, you would turn your response into an emotional attack me.
I am not a Trump hater. I am a Trump disdainer. He is not worthy of me working up enough energy to hate him. The man is a caricature. I pick fun at him and point out his foibles because I enjoy doing so.
In all fairness, I will endeavor to spend equal time putting in the effort to do so regarding Hillary, whom I equally disdain, if that will ease your ire.











