Consciousness and God. Who is conscious of who?
By emptychair
@innertalks (23744)
Australia
July 30, 2017 9:57pm CST
I was reading where a guy claimed that we are all a part of the one consciousness, which individuated itself into separate instances of itself, freely then, functioning as mini “gods”, so to speak.
Is God really just such a consciousness, like what this guy claimed here, or is God and his love greater than consciousness?
Consciousness is perhaps just a mere by-product of love, loving.
God is love, but consciousness is of his creation.
God does not need to be limited to conscious knowing, as he knows all, innately so. His truths are infinitely available to him at all times.
God is the all in all, the love in all, the energy of all, and the consciousness created within his creation is a by-product of God’s love loving, moving throughout his creation, which also uses this consciousness to think for itself, but God’s thoughts are different from our thoughts, as God does not think consciously.
God acts bio-consciously, fundamentally directly from truth, as truth, and not from the consciousness of that truth (as we do), a subtle distinction.
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@1hopefulman (45111)
• Canada
1 Aug 17
When I think of the word conscious, I equate it to awareness. If that is what you mean then I would say that God is conscious of all of us but some of us are conscious of God and some of us are not.
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@1hopefulman (45111)
• Canada
1 Aug 17
@innertalks I tried to find the word consciousness in the Bible but could not find it. Do you know of any scripture where that is discussed or even mentioned?
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@innertalks (23744)
• Australia
1 Aug 17
I feel that consciousness is a bit different than being just awareness.
We have different states of consciousness, different levels of it. I have heard some of these levels called, human consciousness, Universal consciousness, and God consciousness. Some equate this term to the term realisation, as in God realisation, or self-realisation.
How does truth relate to consciousness, to universal consciousness and also to human consciousness, if there is a difference?
Have we truth in us already, or is it added to us?
I think that the living truth is alive in us because of our awareness of it, and this leads then to our conscious decision to follow it.
Consciousness then is the decision maker of awareness in each part of creation.
God is pure awareness and truth, and he needs no consciousness to be himself, but from time to time, he lives consciously in connection to his creation, as he did with his son, Jesus.
As to life in Heaven, I am not sure how one lives there. I am more speculating about how consciousness works in our lives here on the Earth.
@Shiva49 (28397)
• Singapore
1 Aug 17
@innertalks We have an inner knowing that how we live here is superficial and our potential remains untapped.
So we should move in the direction of higher consciousness than leave our dirt behind for our creator to clean up after us including maybe,nuclear debris! siva
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@innertalks (23744)
• Australia
31 Jul 17
Yes, I guess that is true. I am trying to fathom out where we fit in here. Some say we are the same as God, some say, we are only his servants.
I like to read around on these issues.
The great Indian spiritual teacher, Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj, (1897 to 1981) apparently thought that God was greater than mere consciousness too.
He talked about awareness.
He claimed that awareness, whatever that is, comes from God, and it is this awareness which pervades our inner self. The outer self might be conscious, but it is the inner self that is aware.
When we have this inner self, (i.e. we are born again, and own our higher self) pure awareness becomes self-awareness within us then. This self-awareness state is the witness to all that takes place, as awareness becomes consciousness when it inhabits an object. This guy reckoned that "pure awareness" is God, or the supreme being.
The truth lives within God, and comes alive within a creation of God, when that part of God's creation opens itself up to his love.
All else is mere description.
Consciousness witness's this act, and the awareness of it all is greater than the person. Awareness moves across into all creation and this pure awareness is what we refer to as God consciousness, but it is not really that either.
God consciousness is our own state of our recognition of God in ourselves.
God, though, never needs to recognise himself. God is God, the I am of all, love, truth, he is.
Nothing else can be said of him, as he neither thinks consciously nor is he aware as we are aware. God knows and acts without any consideration of thinking, acting, being, or consciously being aware.
God just is, even as his universe just is too.
@Shiva49 (28397)
• Singapore
31 Jul 17
@innertalks I feel god consciousness is on tap, ready on demand for our benefit, but we have to be earnest in our thirst for it and not just a wishful thinking.
There are those who live at a higher conscious level but we get carried away by all that glitter and accumulate them as if we can carry them with us. Then our attention is diverted away from the most important and precious asset that we are blessed with that we are interconnected in every way and with the love of creation. We have to get our priorities right and it is only fair we reap what we sow.
The real problem is we think ritual is the be all and end all but how we go beyond them decides our destiny; otherwise we are aiming for a fool's paradise! siva
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@innertalks (23744)
• Australia
31 Jul 17
@Shiva49 Thanks for always stopping by to add a great comment to my discussions here siva.
The topics I write about are not usually that popular to most others here, I suspect.
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@Shiva49 (28397)
• Singapore
31 Jul 17
We cannot compare ourselves to our creator though we may have a connection through awareness or consciousness. When we act with that higher purpose we can be a co-creator.
At a much lower level, I tried to assist my employers by trying to feel their pulse and anxieties and contributed in a positive way much more than was expected of me. I could have just done my duty and not worry beyond that role.
I recall the words of Qohelet in Ecclesiastes that rich or poor we hardly make a dent here generations after generations. The import was our species hardly matters in the whole process but I feel we still matter to ourselves individually and collectively and should put our best foot forward.
If we set a higher goal that we do matter and just not repeat what we do generations after generations but try to understand more the essence of life and existence here catapulting ourselves to a higher level through undiluted love that is the driving force of creation our lives will impregnate itself with love in action.
Then our leaders also will realize there are no enemies and fear and suspicion of others will transform into trust and understanding, Now on the one hand there are 24/7 business/trade dealings but also trust deficit going hand in hand - siva
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@innertalks (23744)
• Australia
31 Jul 17
I think myself that God consciousness is not of God but more of us when we reach up to God and learn how to love in the same way as which he loves us.
It is a mirror held against God, which reflects his consciousness to us, in one way, but in another way, we merely see our own selves within God and become conscious then of that, hence we are conscious of God or God conscious then.
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@innertalks (23744)
• Australia
1 Aug 17
I have always thought that that was Solomon who wrote that book, but on googling it now, you are right, it was "Qoheleth", but most scholars think that this anonymous writer was probably Solomon, writing it towards the end of his life.
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@Shiva49 (28397)
• Singapore
1 Aug 17
@innertalks Yeah, it is mentioned Qohelet, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. Only one son of David was the king in Jerusalem and that is none other than the famed King Solomon.
Obviously the Qohelet should be King Solomon - siva
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@YrNemo (20254)
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2 Aug 17
Too complicated for me. God is different (in definition) to everyone I guess. Perhaps to that person, his consciousness is EVERYTHING to him? Who knows? If that definition makes him happiest, then I will clap my hands for him, (but hope he won't go around convincing others of his belief).
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@innertalks (23744)
• Australia
2 Aug 17
God's son Jesus reportedly said that only those with the mind of a child will make it into Heaven.
So these over complexity loving people might just not make it into Heaven, as they might just be too complex for God too, who appears to be simple in his approach to most things.
That great physicist Albert Einstein, (1879 to 1955) thought that things not simple must be being seen incorrectly.
Mathematics is simple in its beauty, according to him.
And yet he also said:
"Any fool can know. The point is to understand."
and this also:
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."
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