I was wrong about Hitler

@vandana7 (98787)
India
February 22, 2018 2:17am CST
I have no hesitation now in pronouncing him guilty. For a long time, I had sought a link between Holocaust and Hitler. Oh I presented logical arguments. I pride myself with that. I asked where is the proof linking Hitler to holocaust. There is proof linking most of the others to Holocaust. They visited those concentration camps, they signed papers, they had the statistics, but nothing showed that Hitler went anywhere close to the camps to see how Jews were tormented. That to me sounded strange, because he couldn't possibly have ordered removal of only his role. He would need to clear the name of the entire party! And he couldn't possibly be preparing for defeat, either. I also asked why the concentration camps were situated outside Germany. I reasoned that it may have been because officials who were slyly looting Jews did not want Hitler to know. I reasoned that Hitler did not receive as much of loot so they had more reasons to kill Jews than Hitler. I came up with two posts. In the first, I argued with a very dear friend of mine, Katerina. In the other one, many came including Maluse, who incidentally is German. I was glad that Maluse came there, because in general Germans tend to be logical, so I expected reasons to be presented in the way I understand. Somehow, everybody had accepted Simon Wiesenthal, and I needed more to be convinced. The arguments led me to read more on Holocaust in Wikipedia. I found that Hitler did sign a document for "involuntary euthanesia". That seemed enough evidence at that point of time. But then again my mind said was it, after all he was using Jews in factories, wasn't he? I regained my skepticism on the subject till I argued once more with another friend out here, who is from Israel. I guess she must have hurt, and I am sorry. But there was this need to get to the truth, you see. Again a visit to Wikipedia and this time, I found the answer that I was seeking. I am sharing it here because there can be another person who could argue like me, and would need explanations of the kind that I needed rather than simple faith in Nuremberg trials and Simon Wiesenthal. Please share it like this when the argument follows the same course as mine. a. Aktion T4 is the document signed by Hitler on 1st September 1939 predated or not, permitting "involuntary euthanasia" for incurably sick, which is the other name of murder. The Protestants as well as some Catholics followed Hitler's orders instead of what the Church declared. Most of the mentally infirm were from their institutions. There was no discrimination between Aryans / Christians and Jews in there per se. b. Bishop von Galen (God bless his soul), led protests against these murders so they were no longer carried out openly after 1941 summers. But these operations continued to be carried out covertly. So unofficially it continued. Note that German Christians / Catholics / Protestants would have been a part of those protests, so not all Germans were brain washed then. c. The reason holocaust camps were outside Germany was because of the protests within the country. Hitler couldn't risk Germans rising up against him. Stands very much to reason. Citizens of defeated countries could do nothing against the conqueror. Towards whom would they turn to? So final solution was ordered by the Fuhrer, and it was carried out unofficially, because of the Church's likely intervention. That is the reason there is no documentary link. Nobody explained to me like this. :(
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Aktion T4 Hitler's order for Aktion T4 Also known as T4 Program Location German-occupied Europe Date September 1939 – August 1941 Incident type Forced euthanasia Perpetrators SS Participants
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• India
10 Aug 21
We can be sure he was guilty, but he was not the only one guilty. There must have been many more like him an dthey were all involved in the hate crime. The church as also in support of Hitler.
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@MALUSE (69413)
• Germany
10 Aug 21
Sadly, this is correct. It's nonsense to only mention Hitler as if he alone had been responsible for the Third Reich and the Second World War. You may be interested in reading this:
Contrary to what many foreigners think Nürnberg (Nuremberg) is not only its Nazi past, but this is certainly part of its heritage. One way of dealing with it...
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@mohit459 (12568)
• Haldwani, India
22 Feb 18
I still don't know why he hated Jews... I think he had personal issue's with them
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
22 Feb 18
We have our anger against the Taimurs and Babars and Khiljis, somewhere around 1400 to 1500 era. They have their anger against Jews dating as far as the 1st century. Judas, the follower of Jesus, who betrayed Jesus and let him be taken as captive, was a Jew. So they do not like Jews.
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@mohit459 (12568)
• Haldwani, India
22 Feb 18
@vandana7 ohh .. I didnt knew about it mam.. Thanks for info.. I think you have a great interest towards history?..
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@MALUSE (69413)
• Germany
10 Aug 21
You can find answers here:
https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/why-did-hitler-hate-jews/
@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
1 Mar 18
Well, I am a revisionist.... I have strong distrust towards the history I (or anyone) was taught. Also, I am kind of the "another person who could argue..." as you mentioned in the post. Not going through your documentary evidences, taking your words for now. Hope to 'revisit' it in near future. What truly irks me are the people riding high horses with what they were 'taught' and don't actually 'know' for sure.... Even the people who may 'know' but are not rational enough to explain it out and rather resort to name-calling (yes, that's what it is!).
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
1 Mar 18
Exactly. We do have that much in common. I am not going to condemn anybody unless I am convinced. In this case I am convinced. But as I said, it took me well over 30 odd years to be convinced! Nobody came up with the right reasoning you see!! :( Merely because Simon Wiesenthal said it is like this, or Nuremberg trials had such statements by the accused does not suffice. I needed the why...and nobody answered that. So to that extent, I reasoned Hitler was not guilty of genocide...rather innocent till proven guilty...which was giving him very larger berth mind you. But after reading Aktion T4 and what followed it, I am convinced final solution was ordered by Hitler though I put Himmler and Heydrich a few steps above him in evilness. You can kill people humanely as well. Why torture, misbehave, ill treat...that is not what Hitler asked...did he? As to being a revisionist, I understand that so well. You see, YouTube is filled with remarks from revisionists on holocaust. Much of it sounds logical too. And mind wonders if Stalin got away with more heinous stuff because he was an ally, then did Hitler have the blessings of the victors until Pearl Harbor happened? I also wish they had not come up with so many fictional works on holocaust, because of which it has become difficult to differentiate between the true and false facts. It is then easy to discount some facts too, especially when more gory stuff is shown in fictional works. In Nuremberg trials, they'd mentioned about tooth fillings being deposited in the bank. I for one wouldn't know what to do and whom to report the matter considering that the fillings were being deposited by somebody in high position. But even worse is the fact that I am ignoring the pain that each such filling may have caused when it was removed.
@topffer (42156)
• France
22 Feb 18
Glad to know that you are no more a revisionist.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
22 Feb 18
I was never a revisionist Top. I was only seeking the missing link. But now I know why it is not there.
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@mydanods (6513)
• Nigeria
22 Feb 18
Maybe you want post truth. That's how to encourage genocides the type hitler championed.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
22 Feb 18
Sorry...how am I encouraging genocides? I am condemning Hitler here.
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@mydanods (6513)
• Nigeria
22 Feb 18
@vandana7 Huh? I thought you were saying that hitler never knew about the genocides so he wouldn't be blamed for them happening. Sorry, my bad.
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@MALUSE (69413)
• Germany
6 Mar 18
I missed this post. I'm glad you've found the answers you were looking for.
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@vandana7 (98787)
• India
10 Aug 21
Yes, I found it. But my mind still questions, how come some children survived holocaust. I would have sent them first...since food was not sufficient back then. We may never know the answers to some questions. Perhaps some SS leaders were kind to let kids live and work. As to Hitler, if he can kill his own, he can kill others. He is ruthless.