"Hardly Even Recognize" (YOUR opinion needed)

United States
October 5, 2018 9:18pm CST
Recently I wrote a discussion asking for the opinion of people on a subject that I needed various viewpoints on. The terminology I used seemed to confuse a lot of people, even a few that have a good grasp on the English language or whose first language is English (or so I assume based on their country of origin). I've reread my wording and see where it could be confusing to some. That's why I want to know what YOU define the following phrase to mean "Hardly Even Recognize" (the phrasing I used in the discussion) OR "Hardly Recognizable" What do you think this phrase means? How do you interpret it? What the phrase means to me : The phrase has always meant a person whose appearance, voice, or opinion has changed so much that it takes you a moment to realize who the person is. You DO recognize them after a moment (and before the necessity to ask who they are) but they have changed so much that they are "hardly recognizable" What does the phrase mean to you?
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@simplfred (20641)
• Philippines
6 Oct 18
I think "hardly recognizable" just suited what you meant. "Hardly Even Recognize" though looks like simple but seems more complicated. Just my take, English language is not my mother tongue.
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• United States
6 Oct 18
I appreciate you letting me know what you think it to mean. I know there are so many people here whose mother tongue is not English and our little phrasings can be confusing.
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@franxav (14592)
• India
6 Oct 18
I'd take the meaning you have given.
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• United States
6 Oct 18
Thank You. Sometimes I can be the confusing one and so I wanted to see what everyone else thought the phrasing to mean.
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@owlwings (43897)
• Cambridge, England
6 Oct 18
The only difference between "hardly recognise" ('even' is really redundant in the context you used - I'll explain why in a moment) and 'hardly recognisable' is that the first is a verb phrase and the second is an adjective phrase (both are modified by the adverb 'hardly'). The meanings of: "So long that you hardly recognize the person standing before you." and "So long that the person standing before you is hardly recognizable." are virtually identical and both imply that you had difficulty in recognising the person (but did do so, nevertheless). Why do I say that 'even' is redundant? Well, apart from its use as an adjective ("deep and crisp and even") and the rather archaic use as a time of day (as in "fast falls the eventide"), it is used as an emphatic to suggest 'going beyond what one would normally do or expect' - "I even showed him where the door was but he still didn't go!". "I even recognised the person" does suggest that there was some difficulty in doing so but it means something rather different from "I hardly recognised the person" and most people wouldn't express both simultaneously. So, by using the two adverbs together, it raises something of a conflict in meaning. I'm quite aware that "hardly even recognise" is what people often say but we often use redundancy in speech (our brains work quicker than our mouths and slower than our ears!) and quite often mix metaphors and misuse words when speaking. Of course, you wrote the sentence as you would have spoken it but some of your readers felt that there was a confusion in meaning, though they weren't aware of what it was, exactly, and therefore may have misinterpreted you.
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@celticeagle (189830)
• Boise, Idaho
7 Oct 18
Same thing. People from different countries may not have heard this before.
• United States
9 Oct 18
I am certain that you are probably right. We have such weird slang word in our American English, don't we?
@JustBhem (70555)
• Davao, Philippines
6 Oct 18
In my own perception, it tells something about how hard it is to understand. But your definition tells me it's okay.
• United States
9 Oct 18
Yes, thanks for responding. I am often confusing people with the way I speak or phrase things anyway. My region (I live in the Southeast part of the US) has it's on unique way of phrasing things, and even making words up that wouldn't make much sense unless you were taught them from a young age.
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@JustBhem (70555)
• Davao, Philippines
10 Oct 18
@ScribbledAdNauseum Actually, it depends on the society you are in. In some other countries or even cities, they have their own phrases and idioms.