Flow, staticness, and maintaining the status quo. Does anything really ever change, or flow?
By emptychair
@innertalks (23741)
Australia
June 25, 2019 6:42pm CST
The ancient Greek philosopher Heraclitus apparently said that:
"All things flow."
Was he right with this though?
How could oneness flow?
How can God flow? Where would God flow into?
I will assert then here that really, nothing flows.
It just appears to do so, as consciousness is the moving wind that things seem to flow through or with.
But it only flows if you give it somewhere to flow into. If you have vacuums of non-love, holes in your thoughts, incorrect beliefs. It flows through openings created by you, whereas really, there are no openings in oneness. All is open to itself.
God never flows, he just is, as is love.
Love is everywhere and nowhere, until you embrace it in yourself, but it's there all the time, not needing to flow in or out of you, to be love.
When you love another person, love does not flow from you to them, it merely connects to the love in them already, and then it opens it up more again, so they feel what is in them (i.e. the love) more then too.
Nothing flows.
All is forever as it is.
Everything else is an illusion of the moving cinema screen which, even so, is really just made up of still pictures too.
God is God.
Everything in him could be said to be flowing out of him, but really, if we separate him, from this flow, we lose our place in God then too.
We think we need to go with the flow, instead of remaining as we are in God.
Flow spelt backwards is not itself, as a moving wolf, but is a non-entity of itself.
Everything is a still picture, but it moves in you through consciousness flowing through you, giving it its picturesque provisions.
Otherwise, God is God is you, and nothing happens.
Consciousness is the screen for happenings, but its flow is merely a figment of your mind's eye that allows the stillness to be seen as movement.
Photo Credit:
The photo used here was freely sourced from the free media site: pixabay.com
Water appears to be flowing here. But is it really? Does God in it flow too?
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@ihasaquestion (8273)
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26 Jun 19
I believe God flows with oneness. God encompasses nature and all creations; can't be seen, but be felt.
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@innertalks (23741)
• Australia
26 Jun 19
You might be right, and God might flow with his own oneness.
In my article, I am arguing for, or from, the other side, as I like to do sometimes.
When we argue from another side, it often pries loose the real truth, not being seen otherwise.
If we accept that God is all, a great oneness, that encompasses everything else, the apparent flow, and muddiness, or movement, is only caused by ourselves, his creation moving around within him, stirring up the still water, with our own muddiness.
This is why they tell us that when we meditate, doing nothing, the waters clear, as flow stops, and all mud resettles at the bottom of our minds.
Only when we cease all flowing, can we be one with God again then too.
The movement, that we try to own as being ourselves, separates us from God. We flow around, thinking that the flow is activity, or something concrete, but really, all there is is God.
Flow occurs in him, when we create it. Flow can be felt, but the only real feeling to be really felt to be real is God's love in us being us. It doesn't need to flow to be love. It just is.
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@ihasaquestion (8273)
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26 Jun 19
@innertalks Wow..I like your answer a lot. It really does make sense. 
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@innertalks (23741)
• Australia
26 Jun 19
@ihasaquestion Ha, Ha. Maybe I was just good at stating the case for the other side.
I wonder if flow is the same as unfolding sometimes though.
Maybe God plants us as plants, and then he likes to see us unfold, like a bud opens into a beautiful rose.
And yet, why would God create as all folded up, only as seeds, in the first place, rather than as a finished product already?
Perhaps God likes to watch how we will unfold, which is more up to us then, than to him, because of our free choice of how we go about doing that.
I just like to think deeply about these types of things.
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@1hopefulman (45111)
• Canada
26 Jun 19
Flow = to issue or move in a stream
As far as I'm concerned, water can flow and so can a boat on a river. My bed doesn't flow.
So, some things flow and some don't.
God doesn't flow.
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@1hopefulman (45111)
• Canada
27 Jun 19
@innertalks I can flow with your points here! 
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@innertalks (23741)
• Australia
27 Jun 19
@1hopefulman Yes, it's often better to allow free-flow of ideas, that to be a stony rock in the river, and be buffeted to pieces over time, by the resistance to the flow.
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@innertalks (23741)
• Australia
26 Jun 19
Thanks, Felix.
Some people talk about spiritual flow.
Surely goodness and mercy will follow you, or flow towards you, all the days of your life, goes an old song.
Perhaps God doesn't flow, but maybe his love flows out of him continually towards us, like the water flows onto the beach, or the sunbeams move away from the sun.
"Flow" is only a word, and some people like to use it for other things, rather than just physical flows.
As in too, the expression, "Your life is flowing smoothly for you."
I am just putting some ideas up for discussion here.
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@eileenleyva (27555)
• Philippines
12 Jul 19
One too many graphics here to prove that the flow is just an illusion. Senses prove otherwise. The river flows, the wind blows, love overflows.
Heraclitus appears to be correct. The universe unfolds.
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@eileenleyva (27555)
• Philippines
12 Jul 19
@innertalks Exactly what is your hypothesis? Please state in the positive. Remove the if.
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@innertalks (23741)
• Australia
12 Jul 19
@eileenleyva In a nutshell, God is God. All is God. All is oneness. God, then, does not flow, but his insides do.
@innertalks (23741)
• Australia
12 Jul 19
The Universe appears to unfold, or more just to age, as a timed event.
My point was more about God, than about his creation.
Does God flow too?
If God doesn't flow, according to the ancient addict, "as above, so below", (as God is, so is his creation, after all, God crafted creation in his image), we could not be flowing either.
It is all illusion, done with mirrors, nothing flows.
@Shiva49 (28385)
• Singapore
26 Jun 19
Creation, which we are part of, is in a state of flux to show our mettle, keep us on the edge.
I equate Creation with God and he lets us feel and live in his love, to find meaning in our existence.
The Bard said, “All the world’s a stage, And all the men and women merely players.”
Time has meaning for us and we are carried away by our role in it but at a deeper level of soul permanence, it may not affect our existence although our actions matter overall.
We should still our minds rather than be consumed by the rat race - siva
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@innertalks (23741)
• Australia
26 Jun 19
I was just reading some monk who was saying that our "I" is different than our "self".
He said that our "I" lives in time, but our "self" lives in the now of eternity, immortally so.
He said that the now is not in time, and so the more that we live in the now, the more we are being our real self, and not just our "I" self in time.
Stilling our minds is about finding this real self, in the now of now.
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@innertalks (23741)
• Australia
26 Jun 19
@Shiva49 Yes, that guy said that too. The "I" on its own can develop an ego, or delusions of grandeur.
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@Shiva49 (28385)
• Singapore
26 Jun 19
@innertalks It makes sense to make the differentiation between me and self.
The former is ego coated with selfish connotations while the self aligns with the soul.
We may need to abide with the "I" here but should never lose track of the real self so that the connection with the divine is maintained - siva
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