God and Evolution - are they unreconcilable?

@indexer (4852)
Leicester, England
July 25, 2019 4:12am CST
I am currently having a debate on another site with somebody who refuses to accept that Evolution ever happened despite, as he says, having studied the subject in detail. His reason for this conclusion is that he believes in God. Because God created everything, Evolution is impossible. However, this does not appear to be the view of millions of Christians and other God-believers across the world, for whom the discoveries of geneticists and evolutionists present no problems at all. Why - they would argue - could God not have used Evolution as his instrument of creation? But this won't satisfy my online opponent! For him, anyone who calls themselves a Christian and also accepts Evolution cannot be a proper Christian, or even any sort of Christian at all. The one question he will not answer is "What exactly is it about belief in God that precludes belief in Evolution?" - given what we know about how DNA works and the processes of genetic mutation. Can any of you answer that question on his behalf?
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@owlwings (43897)
• Cambridge, England
25 Jul 19
To be frank, I long ago learned that it is not worth wasting one's time with such people. Their reasoning is that The Bible is absolutely and literally "The Word of God" and therefore nothing can be true that is not recounted somewhere in the Bible. If the Bible, for example, says that God created man from the dust of the earth and a little spittle, that is literally how it happened. They usually also have a very fixed and blinkered idea of what the word "Christian" means and are quite prepared to aver that those who don't believe as they do [in the absolute veracity and literal meaning of The Bible] are 'not proper Christians' (and sometimes simply 'not Christians'). This leads them tacitly to despise those who they don't see as 'Christians' and to judge them (again, usually by implication), yet they cannot see that this is quite clearly NOT what Jesus taught in his life on Earth. I really can't answer your question for him because I cannot see anything about a belief in an ultimate Creator which precludes the acceptance of the fact of Evolution. Oh yes, and that's another thing that most such people get wrong: they claim that because it's termed a 'theory', it is by definition unproven and not a fact. They cannot accept the scientific use of the word 'theory'. Personally, I see the simplicity (and complexity) of DNA as very good evidence for an Intelligence behind creation. It connects all of life on Earth (and possibly anywhere in the Universe, if we ever discover life elsewhere) and proves,to me, that all living things were created by evolution and not as ready-made entties.
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@indexer (4852)
• Leicester, England
25 Jul 19
That is an excellent comment - thank you for taking the trouble to write it. It should be no surprise that I agree with everything you say - particularly your mention of "theories". The same applies to gravity and the planets going round the sun!
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@indexer (4852)
• Leicester, England
25 Jul 19
I have had an answer to my question from the man himself. It is as follows: "First off, evolution does not exist, never has and never will. It is a construct from sinful unrepentant minds and as the Bible says, walk not in the counsel of the ungodly. Second, accepting the concept of evolution would mean rejecting God, his word and calls him a liar, Third, God's requirement of faith would be violated and have people doubting God. We have faith (or belief) in God and his word. That is what God wants. Fourth, it would be violating God's word on true and false teaching by accepting evolution over God's truth. Fifth, there are no ancient manuscripts that supports evolution but there are thousands supporting God's word Sixth, while there are verifications for creation there are absolutely none for the theory of evolution." Beggars belief, doesn't it!
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@owlwings (43897)
• Cambridge, England
25 Jul 19
@indexer Par for the course, I think I have found that even a reply to such a list in the vein of: "You are free to believe whatever you wish. Personally, I am happy to accept the existence of facts which weren't known at the time the Bible was written and find the discovery of DNA and the overwhelming proof for the process of evolution to be a vindication of the existence of an intelligent Creator and good cause to praise and worship Him." ... does not please them. It may be that they begin to feel rather uncomfortable that they may be wrong and interpret that feeling as an attempt by 'the Devil' to lead them astray, which only reinforces their dogged adherence to their beliefs and 'faith'. As I said, arguing logically with such people is wasted breath and they will continue to trot out their circular and false logic, the basis of which is "The Bible states that The Bible is the Word of God; God doesn't lie, therefore it must be true [and everything which is not in the Bible must therefore be the work of Satan]". It makes me wonder whether such people drive cars, use the telephone or fly in aeroplanes ...!!
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@cperry2 (5608)
• Newport, Oregon
25 Jul 19
I cannot answer the question. Often people will stand on a point that they cannot support and become quite agitated if you challenge them. Personally, I do not see that anything that precludes evolution. In fact, to me there is strong evidence to support evolutionary processes.
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@buenavida (9984)
• Sweden
26 Jul 19
We have all some opinion, and everyone has the freedom to think what they want.. I think these articles about DNA could interest some here;
The amount of information contained within the DNA of just one of your cells is staggering. How do cells use this information and how did it get there?
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@xFiacre (14782)
• Ireland
26 Jul 19
@indexer I think a limited understanding of what the Bible actually is andwhat it’s purpose is may be at the root of his problem.
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@innertalks (23734)
• Australia
29 Jul 19
"The world is but a reflection of my imagination. Whatever I want to see, I can see. But why should I invent patterns of creation, evolution and destruction? I do not need them. The world is in me, the world is myself. I am not afraid of it and have no desire to lock it up in a mental picture." The Indian spiritual guru, Nisargadatta Marahaj, (1897 to 1981) said this. Most religions want to do the same, and they do exactly what he advises not to do. They lock their ideas into a vault, and will let no other combinations from the world open it, even if they can do so, they will say that it was a false opening. God, if he exists, is a God of all things. To remove the theory of Evolution from God is to diminish God, who is all things to all creation. All things can exist then if God exists, but if not, all things must be explained by man in some other way. God argues against none of these ways, as he allows man to think how he must think. Man goes on with or without God, it seems, and he finds his answers, generally through his own thinking too, not through God's thinking. The Christian bible has never answered any of the questions that I wanted religion to answer for me. I have not given up on finding some answers, but I will probably die, before I have found any that really satisfy me.
@indexer (4852)
• Leicester, England
29 Jul 19
That is an interesting counter-argument to the one I have been having elsewhere. Your line is that the existence of God would confirm the truth of Evolution, but my interlocutor says that existence of Evolution would diminish God. Clearly both views cannot be right, and the difference comes down to the question "what do you mean by God?" This only confirms in my mind the notion that Man has created God in his own image, and not the other way round!
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@indexer (4852)
• Leicester, England
29 Jul 19
@innertalks My own view is that there is no external entity that can be called God, but God is very real for true believers because God is an entirely mental construct that lives within them as an "imaginary friend".
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@innertalks (23734)
• Australia
29 Jul 19
@indexer Ha ha. What does anyone mean by God? Like you said, God is only ever what Man's image of him is. If there really is some type of a creator out there, even the Christian Bible says, that nobody knows God, or has even seen him, so that gives him an out. He is the shadow in his own light, so to speak. God is simply the energy that starts things rolling. Is God the ember in the fire, or the possibility of fire behind the ember. He is the ghost in the closet. Who knows what he is and what is really meant by the idea of "God"?
@simplfred (20641)
• Philippines
25 Jul 19
God and Evolution... A quite an unending debate you will have there... For me, evolution is quite truer than what the bible says but at the end of the day the root of everything is quite deeper...
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