Hero or Villain

@FourWalls (86710)
United States
November 7, 2019 8:16pm CST
A story out of Rome didn’t get much news attention in the “secular” media in America because (a) it was a religious subject, and (b) it was in Rome. I found it rather interesting, however. The Vatican held a synod about evangelizing the Amazonian region. It started with what a lot of people, especially in the more “traditional” (read Latin mass movement) realm of Catholicism, considered to be idol worshipping. Figures of the Andes goddess Pachamama were displayed in a church near (but not in) the Vatican. A young (mid-20s) Austrian man and a friend took the figures out of the church early one morning and made like Talking Heads: they took them to the river and dropped them in the water. They lined the five figures up, then knocked them into the Tiber River. The traditional Catholics hailed these men as heroes, stating that the idols had no place in a church. Meanwhile, the Vatican and others were tripping over themselves to apologize to the people who’d brought the Pachamama figures to the Vatican for the synod. The figures were found and retrieved from the river, with reportedly no damage, and Pope Francis issued a formal apology as “bishop of this diocese.” Wow, what a controversial issue....in so many ways!! I’m not Catholic, so I don’t have a “side” in this argument. However, I do agree that the idols are clearly prohibited by the Ten Commandments and should not have been in a Christian church. This doesn’t mean that people aren’t free to worship the idols (or any idol, or any religion, or no religion at all). It just that...well, you don’t go barging into a mosque and set up a Buddha statue. You don’t have to agree with them to respect their right to worship in peace as they see fit. However, there is the proverbial “other side of the coin.” According to Picky Wedia (a dubious reference spot, granted), once Spain conquered the region and brought Catholicism with it, “The figure of the Virgin Mary was equated with that of the Pachamama for many of the indigenous people.” Most people, too, know that many symbols and dates in Christianity were copied from paganism (such as the Yule log, mistletoe, and even the date December 25th....). The icons and relics in a Catholic church have their origins in those pre-Christian things. So, were these two men heroes or villains? I suppose a person’s opinion depends on which side of the argument he/she is on. The video the two men took of their deed:
Monday 21st of October. Rome. Pachamama Pope Francis Pan-Amazon Synod. At least two persons enter Santa Maria in Traspontina Church near St. Peter’s Basilica...
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@yoalldudes (35028)
• Philippines
8 Nov 19
For me to each his own. If an image connects you with the Higher Being,it's fine by me. I salute the sun in the morning because it is life-giving.
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@FourWalls (86710)
• United States
8 Nov 19
I agree. It’s not A’s place to tell B that they “can’t” do that. Sadly, religion is something most people (in America, anyway) cannot have a calm, peaceful, rational discussion about.
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@yoalldudes (35028)
• Philippines
9 Nov 19
@FourWalls Really? EVen in America. I thought modernization has made people open minded. In our country we seem to still be in Spanish colonization because of Catholic fanatics.
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@RasmaSandra (98004)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
8 Nov 19
I keep my religious beliefs to myself and always say my prayers morning and night, Unfortunately many people have completely detached themselves from a religion of any kind,
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@rsa101 (40976)
• Philippines
8 Nov 19
Religious topics are such a sensitive topic to discuss with. I think people should not be violent if they object an item to be placed on the church. If the church allowed it to be placed there then the parishioners should respect that and the parishioners should just sent their complaint to the people who allowed it to be placed there. I think this is a way to lure them to embrace the faith as well by respecting their traditions and beliefs and slowly swaying them to fully embrace Catholicism. Gone are the days when to enforce the faith they have to violently introduce the religion by fear to embrace the faith.
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@innertalks (23740)
• Australia
8 Nov 19
Jesus Christ once took a whip to the money changers desecrating his father's house, but unless we are Jesus Christ, have we got the authority, power, or judgement skills to really do anything destructive like that, or not? Any act of destruction of anything, to my mind, is an act of violence against God, and life is not about destroying stuff, but about making the best with all we have, celebrating it in whatever way we can understand.
@LindaOHio (222417)
• United States
8 Nov 19
Aside from religion and any other consideration, what the two men did was stealing and vandalism and should be punished accordingly...just my opinion.
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@FourWalls (86710)
• United States
8 Nov 19
I agree. Legally, they are criminals. I’m sure the people praising them would be outraged if a Muslim destroyed a statue of a saint on the same grounds (idolatry).
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@DocAndersen (54399)
• United States
8 Nov 19
i never share my person religious views. But I find the story interesting.
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