Short Story: Two spiritual masters discuss enlightenment
By emptychair
@innertalks (23742)
Australia
July 6, 2022 10:01pm CST
The old Zen master, Relop Zerploski, was talking to another master, from an Indian philosophy, known as Vedantism, Sri Arama Rokami.
This Guru guy was saying that it is our thoughts that stop us from becoming enlightened.
"Freeing ourselves from thoughts connects us to the enlightenment that exists beyond these thoughts."
"Holding onto, identifying with each thought, creates an attachment to the thought."
"We need to become the watcher, and just let each thought come and go,"
he told the Zen master.
Then, he quoted a renowned spiritual master from Hinduism, Sri Ramana Maharshi, (1879 to 1950).
"'The sense of doership is bondage, and not the actions themselves."
"Be still, and know that I am God.'"
"'When stillness prevails, there will be no agitation of the mind.'"
"'Agitation of the mind is the cause of desire, the sense of doership, and of personality, or the personal sense of "I." If that is stopped, there is eternal peace and bliss.'"
The guru then finished his discourse with this couplet:
"Thinking diminishes consciousness."
"Loving more creates more consciousness."
"Drop thinking because it brings you non-love; only loving brings you more love."
The Zen master smiled in reply:
"Do you know that even God thinks, and has thoughts?"
"The Christian Bible refers to this, when it quotes God as saying:"
"My thoughts are not your thoughts,"
in the Old Testament book of Isaiah, chapter 55, verse 8.
"Why do some people devalue their thoughts, and try to get rid of them altogether, then?"
"Is there really any value in our dropping our thoughts?"
"Thoughts are a means of communication with ourselves, and with others; to stop communication is to block who you are, and to be a dead tree, dead to the world, as even a live tree talks to the world too."
"Stop not thinking."
"Think, but connect your mind to your heart, and always think loving thoughts, and drop the non-loving thoughts, and all will be well with you then too."
"No. We must not get rid of anything that makes us up. Everything within us must play its part within us, for us to know God. Even our ego can serve us, then too."
"It is when we allow our thoughts, or our ego alone, to work on their own, that we then cut ourselves off from our hearts, and soul and love."
"We should put our hearts first, but not try to kill off our mind, stop our thinking self from functioning, or kill off our ego-self either."
"When all parts of us work from love, for love, serving love, it is only then, that we are enlightened, inflamed completely by that love."
And after that conversation, each went their own way again.
Had either influenced either?
Who knows?
Our own philosophy can be hard to shake, and often it can become a blockage to our being free of such bondage too.
Photo Credit: The photo used in this article was sourced from the free media site, pixabay.com
We never become anything by destroying, or trying to destroy, any part of who we are.
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@Deepizzaguy (122269)
• Lake Charles, Louisiana
7 Jul 22
The love part of the message was the best part of this post.
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@innertalks (23742)
• Australia
7 Jul 22
Thanks. The love part usually is the best part of any message, I would say too.
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@Deepizzaguy (122269)
• Lake Charles, Louisiana
7 Jul 22
@innertalks You are welcome.
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@innertalks (23742)
• Australia
7 Jul 22
Maybe a better place already exists outside of our thoughts, that we find in our heart, when we quieten our thoughts.
The silence of none thought finds the truth of silence.
Meditation reveals to us the beauty of the truth that lies beyond thoughts.
Some things thought can't reach.
We can't love someone with a thought. We must really love them with real love.
And yet, you are right too, we can build a better world with our thoughts too.
Each master, each was right, but not separately right, only right when both their views are combined.
Each had one side of the same coin. Each we're seeing a part of the same picture.
@Shiva49 (28390)
• Singapore
7 Jul 22
I have heard stilling the mind from time to time leads us on to the path of enlightenment away from our preoccupations with the humdrum life otherwise.
As for myself, I let everything be but do reflect often about life and where I am headed.
I know some fast but I have not done that as I don't like to punish my body and deprive it of needed inputs from time to time.
I feel ultimately, we should not force anything on us but keep the spirit of inquiry ongoing as a habit.
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@innertalks (23742)
• Australia
7 Jul 22
I also am more inclined towards moderation with some things, and so I am not trying to cut myself off from my ego, my mind, or my thoughts.
Everything serves us, and for all we know it might be serving us in ways that we do not know too, so cutting ourselves off from a part of ourselves like this, is like shooting ourselves in the foot, and staying that walking with a limp, is better than running forwards with a full body.
Some things are more one-sided though, and with truth, honesty, and love, we should, follow those completely, and not allow our thoughts, mindset, or ego, to make us go against these, by our following dishonesty, untruth, and nonlove, instead.
The Aesop's fable about the fox, who lost his tail, comes to mind here too.
If we have lost a part of ourselves, or try to cut off a part of ourselves, we should not try to push this idea of ours onto others then too.
Distrust advice from someone who stands to gain. A fox lost his tail in a trap and tried to get fellow foxes to trim their tails. They saw through the ruse.
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@innertalks (23742)
• Australia
9 Jul 22
@Shiva49 Yes, some people think that they are entitled to a lavish lifestyle, whether it is a good thing to do, or not.
Usually, living frugally, without the extra baggage, is a better choice, but, as you said, we should not force others to think as we think.
@Shiva49 (28390)
• Singapore
8 Jul 22
@innertalks The fox came up short in terms of convincing other wily foxes that saw through his game plan!
The fox did underestimate others and now it is in a deeper hole. It has egg on its face!
Though I cut corners as a habit without compromising on my lifestyle, I am careful not to goad others to follow as that can not only rub them the wrong way but also make them retort they can well afford a lavish lifestyle.
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