Due Process or Selective Outrage?
By Jim Bauer
@porwest (99918)
United States
May 4, 2025 11:54am CST
There has been a lot of discussion about the Constitution and due process when it comes to Trump's deportation efforts. But where's the media in explaining one very important detail no one seems to want to remember?
During President Obama's two terms in office, during which time he was sometimes referred to as "The Deporter in Chief," he deported 3 million illegals. Most were deported without trials or due process, and all of the deportations were in accordance with the law.
But of course, this was back when Democrats were actually in favor of securing the border, a position that they only reversed on when Trump decided to make the border a key issue in his 2016 campaign.
Ever since then the Democrats have opposed it.
Where were the cries of children being separated from families? There were none. Where were the threats of higher prices on fruits and vegetables? The Democrats were silent.
Trump has declared the border crisis an "invasion," and invoked a rarely used war time law. Under that law, invaders are not entitled to due process nor are they protected under the Constitution. Necessarily.
Thus, that's the gray area here. The question is not whether due process is applied. It is whether or not due process is afforded. And there is a difference.
The simple fact is this, secure borders are necessary. They are common sense. And every other country protects their borders and have strict laws against being in their countries illegally.
Sure, some of these illegals are merely seeking a better life. I conjecture that many more are here for other purposes. Either way, regardless why they are here, the fact is also that they aren't supposed to be.
Just because a squatter lives in your house, and even takes good care of the place, doesn't mean they are suddenly entitled to be a tenant. What they are doing is illegal and kicking them out of the house is the only logical thing to do.
That is what Trump is doing.
It's not that he disrespects these people. It's not that he's trying to circumvent the Constitution. He is simply protecting the interests of the American people and ensuring our safety, as he should. As is his duty.
And about Obama, I do wonder how many Democrats and Trump haters actually are aware of Obama's deportations, or the fact that people were sent home without a trial, and without any due process? My guess would be none. Otherwise, there would not be the level of dissent and anger from them we see now.
Look, it's fine to have a heart and feel for people. Do I feel for a man who robs a liquor store at gunpoint who, it turns out, was simply out of work and needed food and diapers for Junior? Sure. But do I think that also gives him a free pass to commit armed robbery?
No. I don't. The law is the law and when you break the law, there are consequences for doing that. The reason doesn't matter.
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5 responses
@moffittjc (124303)
• Gainesville, Florida
6 May
I have always had conflicted feelings about due process when it applies to illegals. If you entered this country fairly and within the law, then you have every right to due process. But if you enter illegally, then I doubt you should have any rights other than basic human rights. If we deport an illegal and they feel they should have had due process, then they can apply for LEGAL immigration status and come back to the country fairly. But most of them don't (or won't), because they know they are bad guys and won't ever get granted immigration status.
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@porwest (99918)
• United States
9 May
It's definitely a fine line for me as well. I support the Constitution 100% and understand its importance to anyone who is in the country, for whatever purpose, and for whatever length of time. But does it apply willy-nilly to EVERYONE in ALL situations?
No. Nor do I think it should.
I think things are pretty clear in the case of illegal immigration. You are here. You are not supposed to be. You are not a citizen. You need to go home.
What is the argument other than that that will be argued through "due process?" And why should we clog our courts hearing the obvious.
"Are you here legally?"
"No."
"Are you a citizen?"
"No."
'Nuff said. Here's your ticket home.
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@moffittjc (124303)
• Gainesville, Florida
11 May
@porwest I don't understand the whole due process part for illegal immigration either. Unless it is to answer the two questions. you posed above. You ask those two questions to every illegal immigrant, and it satisfies my criteria of due process.
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@porwest (99918)
• United States
12 May
@moffittjc I mean, not that it's a great analogy, but someone walks into a factory and starts working on the line. The boss doesn't recognize him, the boss checks the payroll, he's not on it...sorry, you can't be in the building and we're certainly not going to pay you. lol
@RasmaSandra (85027)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
4 May
What I know is that when my parents arrived in NYC in 1951 along with a lot of other Latvians, They all worked hard, some learned English if they did not know it, and made the best of their lives. Most of them like my parents became US citizens,
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@marguicha (226519)
• Chile
4 May
It is difficult to talk about illegals. Some work hard, some are nasty. And so is everyone else. If we went backwards, all of us would be illegals except Native Americans. And if we want to look forward, I would despise a government that wants to annex another country. They would be illegally invading. I proudly talk about my forefathers who came from several parts of Europe seeking a better world. They worked and made families with people from other places. BTW where are your forefathers from?
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@porwest (99918)
• United States
5 May
I think there is a constant conflation of migrants vs. illegals, and the distinction is important. The United States has always been considered a melting pot and a nation of immigrants. However, it was built on LEGAL immigration largely, even setting aside its history before it became a nation. We have laws, as all nations do, and we have borders, as most nations do, and like any other nation, we have a right to protect that. We have a right to know who comes here and for what purpose. I welcome immigrants, and many have offered great things in support of our country. I do not welcome ILLEGAL immigrants. If we simply opened our borders, we could not sustain as a nation, we could not support the people, and America would become a different place completely foreign to us and the world.
As for my forefathers, I have a lot of heritage. Irish, British, German among others. But all of my forefathers came here legally, became citizens, wanted to be Americans, and respected their Americanism and honored this country as their own.
They did not come here and fly Irish, British or German flags. They flew the American flag. Proudly. They were proud to be American, called American, and appreciated our country and culture and embraced opportunity.
That is much different than what we see today with illegals entering our country.
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@xander6464 (45099)
• Wapello, Iowa
7 May
The most ironic thing in the Universe continues to be that if I wanted to be in Trump's Junk Drawer, I could do it, while you would never even be even remotely considered.
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@xander6464 (45099)
• Wapello, Iowa
13 May
@porwest I guess you still haven't grasped the fact that Trump despises poor people. No matter how much they suck him. When he's in prison, he likely won't even allow you to be on his visitors list.
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@porwest (99918)
• United States
17 May
@xander6464 Not at all. He's a jobs president, especially concerned over adding manufacturing ones which also happen to be higher paying jobs. He wants everyone to have a better chance, which is why he is encouraging foreign businesses to set up shop here. He understands people can't make it on just fast food and retail jobs, which is largely what we mostly have now.
@1creekgirl (43548)
• United States
7 May
Very well explained, Jim. You have a good way of articulating what many of us believe.
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