Do teachers just suck these days?

United States
December 25, 2006 10:02pm CST
Or do the school systems they work for? Is it possible to have caring teachers who go above and beyond within the constrains of a bureaucratic school district that's main goal is DO NOT LET THEM FAIL? Is it possible that traditional schools are outdated and fail to prepare our youth for life in the information age? Should the public school system be done away with and only allow charter schools to operate? Should tenure be done away with? Does it hurt or help the process? Are teachers underpaid? Should teachers who perform better be paid better? Why do we still teach our children traditionally with everything we know about how children learn?
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@aizavel (558)
• Philippines
27 Dec 06
Actually I think that it just epends on the students.. teahers teach what they know and thry to contribute what they know to their students, they use different ways of how students learn. But if the person is nor interested then how are they to learn, teachers only teach it's actually up to the learners to learn.
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• Malaysia
27 Dec 06
Long ago, teachers were respected just being a teacher. Nowadays there are a lot of pressure put to teachers and they no longer receive the same respect from students and parents. I think that's the reason why teachers are reluctant to give the most out of themselves. Maybe if they are given higher salary and be respected as before, the teachers will not be so without feelings. Sorry if I offended you or anything, it's just what I feel about this. I may be wrong.
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@nhtpscd (1416)
• Australia
27 Dec 06
I actually posted a discussion on an English teacher who could not spell. The system is going down hill. We have kids in Australia completing year 10 who cant even spell or do maths without a computer. It needs an overhaul alright. Year 2 are requested to have caculators now in some schools. There are good teachers but there are really bad ones too.
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@missjackie (1358)
• Ypsilanti, Michigan
27 Dec 06
Teachers these days, do suck. A lot of teachers just pass kids along to the next grade, for fear of being looked down upon. If I was a teacher and the kid failed every test, I would definitely fail the kid. No matter what.
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• United States
27 Dec 06
Like everything, it depends on the situation and the people. I've known good teachers and bad teachers. In general, I think the districts do what they can. The main problem, IMO, is that kids learn differently, at different paces and in different ways. Districts mess up by trying to develop methods to be used in the same way with all children.
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@bf1985 (57)
• Ireland
26 Dec 06
Well I am a teacher and I do my best for my students. However, it is very hard to give my students all the individual help that they need when there are 26 students in the class. I do not live in the USA by the way. we need more government funding and we need to see the government's promise of lowering the teacher pupil ratio to 20 to 1 soon.
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@DeenaD (2684)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Part of the reason why some teachers might be reluctant to allow a student to fail is that parents complain that there is nothing wrong with their child (who lackes discipline and who never studies either, by the way), and it's all the teacher's fault, and waaah waaah waaah, and to be perfectly frank, it's just not worth putting up with that kind of aggravation just for a madiocre paycheck. We teachers have families too, and we don't like to bring the bad feeling of conflict and confrontation home with us. Parents need to take off their rosy glasses and look more closely and honestly at the habits of their children - for the good of the children.
• United States
26 Dec 06
I couldn't agree with you more. I personally just love the parents who think it couldn't be there kid. (joking of course) As a parent, I know those other parents...believe you me. Last year my son who used a laptop at school was at lunch and had his book bag (with laptop) (appropriate book bag for a laptop) in the pile with all the other book bags. There was a student kicking rocks off his sneaker nearby. Rocks...I mean boulders... and the boulder he managed to flick off his foot like a soccer ball landed on the book bag and broke his brand new laptop. When my son ran over the to check his computer, the student laughed at him and didn't apologize. I called the parent and she blamed my son for having a laptop at school. Said that he should not have had the laptop at school. She said her son is free to kick rocks anywhere he pleases. That is the type of behavior I am sure you are referring to. On another note, I think if teachers refused to work for these warped school systems and only chose private, or charter schools (where most believe they are much happier at) and not be so stuck to tenure, than the schools would have to change their act. In my experience, there are teachers with tenure who just don't want to leave the security for someplace more pleasant.
@Jshean20 (14349)
• Canada
26 Dec 06
During my whole experience with school (this includes both highschool and public school) there was only one teacher who ever went out of her way to help us kids, I remember I actually called her "mom" by accident once. I found highschool to be the toughest time (in terms of the quality of the teachers). When I hit grade 11 I hit a really rough spot in my life where I was in a deep depression,I was missing a lot of school and I was really withdrawn when I did show up for classes. I wanted my guidance councilor to help me make it through the year by letting me complete work at home or even by doing some correspondence courses. Well, she tried telling me that this wasn't at all possible and so I had to figure it out for myself. There were infact alternatives for me and I'm still a little disappointed that she couldn't help me out because she couldn't be bothered to look into it..
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• United States
26 Dec 06
Not all teachers suck... he he.. My daughter is in kindergarten this year and believe it or not she has the same kindergarten teacher my husband did 33 years ago and she is still great...I love her to peices...however you are right... the school system needs to be overhauled... I have a 10th grade boy(my son) who still counts on his fingers. I have been volunteering in the sixth grade math class and they are discussing mean, mode and median and well ah the kids are taking 9 plus 4 and counting on their fingers. We are raising a society of morons and to think they will one day be running society. I am getting to the point of pulling my two youngest children after this year and sending them to a private school if I can pull it off or maybe just homeschooling them, I personally could not do any worse.
• United States
26 Dec 06
Private schools have a similar issue. It the philosophy of how children should be schooled that is fundamentally flawed. There are virtual schools that really give you the flexibility of homeschooling but there are dedicated teachers who you can consult with for assistance. Also, a great interactive rich curriculum. Charter schools I found to be amazing as well. They have to perform, otherwise they get shut down. They do whatever it takes to reach the child. Not ALL but many of them. They even go as far as holiday Saturday school for those who require additional help. Like I said, whatever it takes is their motto. Good luck for next year!
@ralevi (1885)
• United States
26 Dec 06
I like the USA school sistem there are 1 teacher for 10-20 children what you want every child to have his own teacher? And the child need help from there parent`s too because the teachers are teaching the way that the govermand says and the parents are more free to show the short cuts.
• India
26 Dec 06
well it maybe possible in us...but in countries like india where there is a very high population a teacher in an average school has to handle about 60-70 students by himself so there is a student techer ratio of 60:1...
• United States
26 Dec 06
Not all USA schools have a 10-20 student to teach ratio. In California, there can be more than 40 per teacher. Still better than a lot of countries, though.
@josan181237 (1204)
• Philippines
26 Dec 06
No. my parents are both teachers eventhough they both graduated from an engineering course. they don't suck. they are good in teaching. students love them. during special occasions their students give them gifts even when they are not their teachers anymore.
• United States
26 Dec 06
Congratulations! It sounds like your parents are a true gift to the world. Those are the good ones and there are some, don't get me wrong. I LOVE GOOD TEACHERS!
• India
26 Dec 06
well all the good teachers have retired buddy. And if you find a good teacher they will be retiring sooner. You got my point i guess
• United States
27 Dec 06
With soo many distractions around nowadays, I feel having good teachers does not help... The world has become more complex and I shudder to think the way my children will comeup
@asfi123 (951)
• India
26 Dec 06
i agree wid u
@34momma (13882)
• United States
26 Dec 06
You have asked some great questions on teachers. I had the pleasure of sitting in on my son's english class of couple of weeks ago, and I was impressed and shocked by what i saw. First, the teacher was amazing. The way she explained the lesson to the class I was impressed how easy she made it for them to understand. I was shocked to see the way the children behaved. No respect for the teacher, the lesson, or the other children. I think if we the parents really put our foot down, and not send our children to school to be baby sat and to learn we would be better off. like in any profession you have teachers who don't care and those who are just amazing. I have had the honor and dishonor of meeting both. I am very involved in my children schooling. so if we parents get more on the ball and demand what our children need they have to give it to us. by the teachers a better salary and let them know when they are doing a great job!
• United States
26 Dec 06
You make great points. I agree with the baby sitter thing. I believe it is a direct result of our schooling. You see, schools were initiated to create rule followers. To develop good factory workers in the industrial age. It was necessary to the function of our society. Well it is now the information age and we have not adjusted what we are teaching and how. We as parents are doing what we are told. Send your kids to school and let the government teach them. We took that to the extreme and are no longer taking responsibility for educating our children. We are sitting back blaming the government for the lack of success. I am sorry, but it really isn't the schools fault that your child can't read when he graduates high school. It is yours. You live with him. If he couldn't learn in school, it was your responsibility to teach him. It has always been your responsibility to teach him, you were just following the rules like you've been taught. It is time to shift gears.
• Malaysia
26 Dec 06
I don't know about u guys but my teachers beat us up when we were in primary school. Whenever we didn't do homework, they'll use a long wooden 1 meter ruler and beat our hands. Sometimes they use ratan to beat our buttocks. And I got once had a book slapped to my face when I was 12 for forgetting to do a homework. Things were much better when we were in high school as the teachers wouldn't dare to punish us physically anymore as we were already grown up.
• United States
26 Dec 06
That sounds like the same Catholic School I attended...lol
@im_vjy (1480)
• India
27 Dec 06
Yes i support you! Its the same problem with me too but i wouldnt blame all of them as their are still few teachers who are whole heartedly willing to teach!!
@ahsanxr (341)
• Pakistan
26 Dec 06
from what i think is that in most cases it is the students' fault. they just do not listen to the teachers and teachers have to spend most of their time making the students listen to them and thats why they cant teach them properly. if students behave well then teachers would also teach well.
• United States
26 Dec 06
That is part of it. I agree. But you can have 20 students ready, willing, and able to learn, and be completely unstimulated. The other pet peeve about schools is when they use the bright kids to be the example to the children who are working below or at grade level. Telling a student who finished early to help others is being lazy. They are all their for an education and while occasionally asking a child who is done to assist one who is not is okay, that habit only drags down my child. He is totally unstimulated and he never gets an opportunity to grow. In life (the real world) we naturally gravitate to those who are at our own level or above so we can grow. How do you expect the bright child to benefit from that?
@shyam4uall (1002)
• India
26 Dec 06
I think the base of the schooling system and the education system be improved.I don't think the policy of paying teachers according to the performance is good because we can't blame the teaching methods of a teacher and question on them if students do not perform well..Also I agree with you that the teachers are underpaid now a days which also harm the teaching quality of the teachers.
@vhmehta (621)
• United States
26 Dec 06
Teachers can no tbe blamed for school system.. The teacher to children ratio in Public schools can not be decreased any further... It is already lower than many countries. Its about time parents took there responisbility in behavior of there children. When did you try to teach your kid last time? It is easy to blame others but true character lies in finding if there is anything you can do to change lives of your children.
• United States
26 Dec 06
I couldn't agree with you more. That is why I decided to bring my kids home and teach them myself. It isn't easy, in fact I see how difficult it is to keep kids interested and stimulated, not to mention 20-40 students at time. That is what studying to be a teacher is all about. Learning how to teach to a group of different types of learners. I agree so many parents just send their kids to school to get them out of the house. This must be very difficult for the teacher who's parents never participate in their child's education. I still blame the schools and teacher's having said that. School systems more than teachers, although just because you want to teach doesn't mean you can. School systems who beat down new teachers into being mediocre should be shut down. Anyway...that's my rant
@johnalan (64)
• Malaysia
26 Dec 06
I don't like the way how the school teaching system in my country. The teacher some are good and some are just a noob. The teacher don't really concentrate on how to make all student pass the exam, they just do their job by just teach what should they teach and give some stupi* homework. I love the schooling style in USA, it is a freedom school and the teacher are very nice to students.
• United States
26 Dec 06
Be careful, because the school system you are describing sounds like the USA system. Not the freedom and happy environment you are fantasizing about. Sounds like your country is giving you a great gift though, self motivated learning... maybe, maybe not. Just remember the grass is not always greener on the other side.
@cemille2 (97)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I use to volunteer at a Boys and Girls club where a highschool teacher came in one day to help out. It was a low income part of town with prodominantly African American children who went there. She told me that a lot of the 5th and 6th graders didn't know how to read, but the school system would just let them go on through school until they got to 9th grade because they couldn't have 15 year olds in middle school. So then these kids would just be stuck in 9th grade until they could go on. I think it not only is the responsibility of the teachers but also of the parents to push their children to be the best.