Cain & Abel?

@nw1911guy (1134)
United States
January 23, 2007 3:19am CST
Ok so I have a question about the bible that noone has yet answered to my satisfaction(in other words pointed out in the book) one question I have. Here we go: From the Book of Genesis: Adam and Eve bore Cain and Abel. Cain slew Abel and was banished to the Land of Nod, where upon he took his bride. Now just where did his bride come from? I've always been told that she was the offspring of Adam and Eve, but nowhere that I have yet seen, does the bible say that for certain. Anyone out there have a good answer for this?
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@ashjoe76 (1434)
• India
23 Jan 07
I guess the best way to get out of this confusion is to stop believing in the Adam and Eve fable, and go for a thorough analysis of the Origin of Species. JUst take this as a myth, can you?
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@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
23 Jan 07
Ash, man, I'm just trying to see if anyone can come up with an answer. No harm, no foul. Or that maybe I missed something in my time going through the bible. Thanks for posting though.
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• United States
23 Jan 07
of course there is always going to be a response like this. One day people like this will see that it is NOT a myth. hopefully they find the right path before that time comes.
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• United States
23 Jan 07
I, too, am always amazed at the "enlightened" who will ridicule our faith, while failing to realize that his own Origin of Species is so full of holes that we consider it a myth. It's just a case of judgmentalism. My guess is that he's just trolling for posts to make to increase his numbers and make money. He's not in this discussion for quality, informed debate.
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@kabella50 (309)
• United States
23 Jan 07
that had been my question growing up.well if you read certain books you will find different answers.I have read The Cave of Treasures and The Book of Enoch and the fallen angels.There are some old writings that say Eve had two sets of twins at each birth,each boy was born with a sister and each married one,hmmmm?there are other sayings that Adam was the first man created in Gods image and after His likenss,saying that there were other creations but not in Gods image or likeness and when banned from Eden Cain married a woman outside their original tribe.There are many scriptures that have been left out of the bible as the bible was put together by a team of religious people who decided what should be included and what shouldn't thus leaving many lost books out here to confuse us more.You can look these titles up on the web and read some interesting facts.Have a blessed day.
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@nana1944 (1367)
• United States
23 Jan 07
You made me think with this post. I don't pretend to know everything when it comes to the bible but I do think a lot was left out in the translation from Hebrew to English. King James wanted an interpretation and he may have gotten just the parts the interpreters decided he (the king) wanted. I suppose we will know all things when we get to Heaven. We just have to take things on faith.
@nana1944 (1367)
• United States
23 Jan 07
I was really freaked out when I finished posting the other comment. The number of my post was 666. Really strange .
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@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
24 Jan 07
I'm glad I got you to think. That was actually the purpose of this post.
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@mobyfriend (1019)
• Netherlands
23 Jan 07
It's a matter of transltion. The Bible says in Genesis that the earth was without form and void but it should read: became withoutform and void. I learnt that from a bible teacher who knew hebrew. So that indicates that there was a world before the garden of Eden. The Garden of Eden is the starting point for telling the history of Israel and the coming of Jesus.
@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
23 Jan 07
Ahh I love that. Amazing how things can be lost in translation isn't it?
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• United States
23 Jan 07
Did you ever notice? Everytime there is a question, such as this, and the scholars can't find an answer, they can always rely on the old faithful..."Well, it was lost in the translation." That's funny, how come what they --can-- answer, wasn't "lost in translation"??!!
• United States
23 Jan 07
I actually agree with the last statement of this response. My post regarding this is located at the top of the second page.
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@cclay34 (486)
• United States
23 Jan 07
I have also ask this question several times over the years as well as here on mylot recently. It baffles me because we are taught that Adam and Eve are the first to be created, the father and mother of all man kind, it would seem that Cain would have had to have taken an untold about sister as his bride. You will make a lot of people mad with this question because they will argue that Cain couldnt have taken a sister as a bride, They just dont want to even consider that possibility, on the other hand, if you argue that Adam and Eve couldnt have been the first and only people on earth and Cain took a wife from another tribe you are going against the writtings of the bible and the general belief and you will make a whole other set of people mad. There is no winning with this question. Good Luck
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@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
23 Jan 07
The thing that I've always wondered is if there was a tidbit I missed somewhere. On the other hand, it gets sort of interesting when you find out, as I understand it at least, that there is a mountain range in Iraq that translates as Nod. And what can I say, every once in a while, I like to rattle some cages and make sure everyone is awake and using their brains.
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• New Zealand
11 Feb 07
bwrattybaby, so if I read you correctly, the 10 Commandments were implemented as an Amendment to the Bible. Thanks.
@deebomb (15319)
• United States
11 Feb 07
You are right chapter 1:26 and God said let us make man in our own image. Verses 1 gives the general description of the creation. Chapter 1:2-2:23 is given the details of the creation. In chapter 4 is when Eve gave birth to Cain then Able. It does not say that they were born at the same time. If Eve lived for much of Adam’s life she could have bore a whole tribe of children and as those children got old enough bare children there could be a very wide choice for Cain to chose a wife from.
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@jayperiod (870)
• United States
23 Jan 07
It's an interesting question, one that comes up from time to time. There have been some interesting answers on here so far, too. The Bible does not say where she came from. It doesn't say if she was a sister or if she came from some other tribe that God created. We are just not given that information. Looking at what we are given: Eve was called the mother of mankind. It could be implied from this that it was a sister, but that is only speculation. Cain was concerned that those who met him would want to kill him, even in a far away land. This would indicate that somehow everyone would be aware of his sin. How could that have happened? That would lead me to speculate that they would all be from the same family. An interesting thing to note, this becomes a moot point when you consider the flood. About 1000 years after these events, all mankind was destroyed, with the exception of Noah and his family. Therefore, whether from one tribe or many, from Noah, they are all one tribe.
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• Australia
24 Jan 07
There were three tribes from Noah. His three sons, Ham, Shem and Japheth went separate ways, developing different parts of the world.
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• United States
24 Jan 07
Correct, the three sons of Noah were spread across the globe into three tribes, but coming from one father.
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@deebomb (15319)
• United States
11 Feb 07
cloudwatcher all The people must have lived in fairly close Proximity because in chapter 11 the people decided to build a tower to reach into the heavens. If they were living far apart that would be difficult to do. Cod became displeased and confouned the languages and the people were scattered.
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• Philippines
23 Jan 07
Please read Genesis 5:4 where it says Adam had other sons and daughters. The first was Adam, then Eve and then they begot Cain then Abel. Cain killed Abel and so God punished Cain and sent him away. Adam and Eve again begot the third child who is Seth, then they had other sons and daughters. If there's no law, there's nothing to be violated and so marrying his own sister that time was not a sin. If they did not, no one of us is here. I hope I could help you with other unclear matters pertaining to the Holy Bible.
@luzamper (1360)
• Philippines
24 Jan 07
Yes, in Genesis 5:4, Adam and Eve bore other sons and daughters. Obviously, they married each other even if they are sisters and brothers as Moses who handed down the Law was born many generations yet from Adam.
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• United States
23 Jan 07
Yes indeed the bible does indeed answer this question! What a good one it is, I must say. I am sorry that no one has given you a more detailed answer, to satisfy your search for truth, but here goes to the best of my ablitity. In Genesis Chapter 5 verse 4 It talks about Adam having other sons and daughters. It is rather a review of their life together. The verse mentions how long Adam lived after Seth was born, and then states how he had other sons and daughters. It does not say when he had them. According to Josephus, who stated that the old tradion had it that Adam had 33 sons, & 23 daughters, but well that's tradition, and not scripture. If you have more questions I would encourage you to get The Revised and Expanded Answers book, or check out AnswersInGenesis on the world wide web. They are very helpful in such matters. Thanks for the great question! I really like this MyLot thing! be blessed
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@gifana (4834)
• Portugal
23 Jan 07
I will accept the fact that Adam had other sons and daughters....but if the continuation of mankind was kept in the family then it would seem to me that this was a strong case of incest to me.
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@cyntrow (8524)
• United States
23 Jan 07
Incest would have been necessary. It wasn't condemned until much later in the old testament.
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• United States
23 Jan 07
yes, indeed, law opposing incest did not come into being until Moses. Up until then marrying sibling, or close relations was allowed...A basic understanding of genetics shows this is most likely what occured. Check out answersingenesis.org ! What a fun topic!
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• Philippines
24 Jan 07
My friend, that is a good question for me. First of all, after the fall, adam and eve bare a son and his name was cain, and then he bare another son and his name was abel. You are asking where did cain get his wife while during that time eve was the only woman? I rephrase only your queston. The answer for that is that there is no in the bible that says that cain was his second son. The, although it is infallible and inerant, is not complete basis to prove of history. You know after Adam and eve sinned against God, they were put out by God from the garden of eden and dwell in another place. After that, probably, with historical and theological basis, they bare many sons and daughters. hundred years ago they bore cain. The Bible points out only the person that is needed in his will. He points out cain and abel, but although God pointed out here in the Bible, this doesn't mean that they are the second sons. You got the point my friend? Thanks for that question.
@rein2410 (809)
• Australia
24 Jan 07
This is such a great point of view from you. I kinda understand more now though I have diffrent point of view. I think yours right as well
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• Philippines
24 Jan 07
Thanks for that comments my friend. By the way if you don't mind, may i know what's your point of view concerning to this topic? Thanks a lot. Goodluck.
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• United States
23 Jan 07
I am not Steph8216, but her husband. Interesting question you have Mr. nw1911guy. My question to you is why is this important in comparison to where will you or I spend eternity? I figure if God meant it to be important then he would have explained who and where Cain's bride came from. The comment mentioned earlier that Adam and Eve may not have been the first humans may be true. Does it matter? I don't think so because God didn't make any comment about it in his word. In John 1:1-5 says: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. The key in this passage is that "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." In other words, all that matters is God created it. He told us what we needed to know. Key word being "NEEDED."
• Netherlands
23 Jan 07
He told us what we needed to know. Oh certainly but because the Bible is a difficult book questions can be raised. For well over 400 years Jews have been discusssing the Torah. It's human nature that we ask questions and i don't think asking questions necessarily is just as important as contemplating where you will spend eternity. Sometimes you need to ask question to understand why the Light shines in the darkness.
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@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
24 Jan 07
Uh that would be the equivalent of telling a child NO! and when they ask why, responding with, "Because I said so"
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@hmbw_24 (407)
• United States
23 Jan 07
You know I teach a group of kids at my church on Wednesday nights, and I honestly don't know how I would answer them if one of them asked me this! My pastor is a very well educated (religously) man and is still going to school to learn more, and he is great at explaining these things, I wish I had his email right about now. I will ask him tomorrow and see what he says. I am quite curious now myself.
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@SirPyan (430)
• Malaysia
23 Jan 07
Although I already knew the answer, I would love to hear yours. Hope you contacted him soon. ;)
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@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
24 Jan 07
I would love to hear his response as well. A friend of mine once told me it was a history of just one of earth's people, not all. How right she was, I'm not sure. But she certainly have enough sense to bail out of the Mormon church as well.
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@lumina83 (131)
• France
23 Jan 07
read genesis, chapter 5... the 5 first verses... Adam became father to sons and daughters... This is the story about adam's life. We can think that cain gone with one of his sisters...
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@moneymind (10520)
• Philippines
24 Jan 07
Why did the author concentrate only on the two specific son, cain and abel. I do not really understand why the others were not given some space for cross referance. greetings. : )
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• United States
24 Jan 07
The objective of the first few chapters of Genesis is to show the line from Adam to Noah. Making mention of all the other sons and daughters would serve no purpose in getting there. It would make the book too large. There is no history book in the world that covers everyone complete, only those important to main events in history.
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@Aussies2007 (5339)
• Australia
23 Jan 07
I know nothing about the bible... But what a good question... Love to see the answers...
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@rosie_123 (6118)
23 Jan 07
I was thinking the same. It is a very clever question and I'm loving the answers!
@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
24 Jan 07
It's one of those things that just never escapes my head. lol
@charlazio (215)
• Italy
23 Jan 07
An interesting question, though, I'm pretty sure since it's religion and the bible it's not supposed to be questioned. Just accept it the way it is and everything will be fine. lol where in the Great NW are you from?
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@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
23 Jan 07
oh I'm about 20 min east of Tacoma in Washington state. Where you at?
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• United States
24 Jan 07
Tacoma... where the rain falls on the dome-a... !! Ahahahaha! Don't ask... Ever wonder why "the bible's not supposed to be questioned" though?? It's an interesting thing to ponder on. "Just accept it the way it is. Don't question it." Sorry, but that's not good enough for me.
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@arvee17 (730)
• Philippines
23 Jan 07
Yes it is actually said there in the bible... try to look at Genesis 5:4. Where it actually says, Adam "became father to sons and daughters." So Cain took one of his sisters or perhaps one of his nieces as a wife. Cain and Abel weren't the only children of Adam and Eve... If you would try to read the entire genesis... you would find out the other children of Adam as well... Most people get confuse about this stuff. because if they will read the bible and read about the part of family trees or family history, they would only see the names of the men and they will not find any women name... for example try to look at Genesis 4:17 about Cain and his sons... the bible didn't mention about where their wives came from but just mention about the history of the men... So you see people get confuse with this stuff because of this factor... but as what i have said earlier it is said that Adam and Eve also bore girls as their offspring...
• Australia
24 Jan 07
Yes, Arvee, and we have the express command from God to Adam & Eve to be fruitful and multiply and populate the earth. This command was given to them immediately after they were created.
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• United States
23 Jan 07
this is a good question! im going to have ask my grandmothers opinion on this subject (she's an ordained minister). She often has great explainations for questions that i have regarding the bible. Ill get back with you on what she thinks :)
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• New Zealand
11 Feb 07
We have been waiting for your grandmother's reply. Did you send your request for clarification by CamelPost?
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@arkana (48)
• Philippines
23 Jan 07
in Genesis, it does state that there were other sons and daughters as well. After Cain was cursed to wander. Adam and Eve conceived a third child named Seth, who, with Cain gave rise to the two family lines of the Generations of Adam.
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• India
23 Jan 07
The various books in the bible have been written in different stlyes. like psalms is poetry, John is description, in the same way, Genesis, is written in 'this-is-all-u-need-to-know" style. The information given is precise, and generally facts, not descriptions. So they writer just wants u to know Cain took a wife. its none of ur business where she came from. Another theory, is that, Adam and Eve were the first humans God created, but it has not been mentioned anywhere that God didn't create more humans. So probably God created more humans after Adam and Eve. Hope i have satisfied u with my answer.
@Dano11 (173)
• United States
9 Feb 07
There is a lot the Bible says, and a lot the Bible doesn't say, however if the Bible is true, then the answer is obvious. First off, the Bible does not name every child Adam and Eve had. What the Bible does say in Gen 3:20 is that Eve was the mother of all living, (humans of course). In Gen 5:3-5 we learn that at the age of 130 Adam bore a son named Seth, and Adam lived an additional 800 years after that. The Bible selects specific individuals to mention to serve its purpose and deliver its message. If at the age of 130 Adam and Eve already had 130 children, for one thing not all of them may have a valuable lesson God wishes to use to teach the word and for another who would sit and read the full liniage of Adam anyway? Now, if Adam lived 930 and begat sons and daughters as is stated in these three verses, and if the Bible listed the names of all, who would read it? Most people cannot make it through the liniation of the names that already exist, let alone adding hundreds of children by Adam and Eve and all their grand children, great grandchildren, etc. Part of the reason why the Bible names those it does is because it traces the birth of Jesus back to Adam. Some siblings are mentioned because they begat new cities or countries that would figure in history later, but for the most part it wasn't necessary and would have been detrimental to even reading the Bible if it literally mentioned every single child born. Also there was no mention of the names of the women in most cases because it was a man's world. Women did not figure in political or social importance other than being the bearer of new life. This does not diminish the woman, she has the power to create life, but the burden of responsibility for the family and the hard labor was the man and therefore the Man children were mentioned where their birth right was of importance. The fact that the Bible does say Eve was the mother of all living is the statement that you are looking for, where did Cain get his wife? She had to be an offspring of Eve, no, there were no other races of humans around at that time, Eve was the mother of all living. We have a hard time dealing with this concept today because it is considered taboo to marry within the family structure and this also causes genetic defects. Back then it did not cause these problems, and it was not thought of as wrong. The morality of it was simply a cultural issue, the genetic part of it is due to a breaking down of what was in the beginning a pure gene pool.
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@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
9 Feb 07
So what you're saying is that they then had a daughter who was also banished to the land of Nod then? I mean, if that's where he found his bride, she must have done something to be sent there.
@Dano11 (173)
• United States
10 Feb 07
No, just as we see today, people spread out across the land. Perhaps she went there willingly. Doesn't matter how she got there or why, or God would have explained it to us, all He told us is Eve was the mother of all living, and either you believe the Bible is Gods word and therefore believe God or you don't. There could be as many as 900 chldren by Adam and Eve, but not a word of where they went or why, only that they were to populate the earth. If they did not fill the land of Nod, then they did not do as God told them. We know natives have popuated deserts, ice lands, mountains, etc. It is mans nature, why does there have to be a reason?
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@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
10 Feb 07
Just seems to me like if you're going to banish someone to an area, then if anyone else was there then they were either banished or were already there. Why does it matter? That's like asking you why doesn't it matter.
• Australia
24 Jan 07
Yes, there IS an answer. Other responses have already mentioned Genesis 5:4 which says Adam begat sons and daughters. If we look at Genesis 4:1 we see that after the birth of Cain, Eve declared "I have gotten a MAN from the Lord". The word "man" is in the emphatic in the original language, which strongly suggests that previously girls had been born. Adam and Eve did have sons and daughters, and we believe they had at least one daughter even before Cain was born. Noted historian Josephus says that Adam & eve had 33 sons and 23 daughters. This naturally brings into question the subject of incest. Let us not forget that Adam and Eve were created perfect. Yes, they disobeyed God and thus had a sinful nature, but they were still physically and genetically perfect. It is a common practice in animal husbandry to mate closely related pairs when these are genetically near perfect. Problems enter the factor as the species become less perfect. The same was true of humans in the beginning. From perfect stock, it was possible to mate and to populate the earth, as was commanded by God. Laws forbidding incest didn't come into being until much later. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Cain's wife was an offspring of Adam, but we know she must have been, and as stated, at that stage, incest was allowable, had no dangers and was the only way to populate the earth.
@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
24 Jan 07
Ah but by know, you mean assume. Since it is not explicitly mentioned in there.
• Australia
24 Jan 07
PS Don't forget that immediately after God created Adam & Eve He told them to be fruitful and multiply, and populate the earth. Surely, this is proof enough.
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@drmt57 (295)
• United States
23 Jan 07
I once read in a book( the lost books of the bible) that Cain and Abel had twin sisters, Cain overheard Adam and Eve talking about giving the pretty one to Abel to wife and the ugly one to Cain, he was unhappy about that, so he killed Abel and took the pretty sister with him when he left. Now I don't know how true this is. I am only quoting what I read. To me it does make sense because Adam and Eve was the begining of the human race as far as we know.I believe they had daughters, they was just not spoken of in the bible. The male child was the important one, females was very rarely spoken of.
• United States
23 Jan 07
Interesting thought. The Bible does state, though, that Cain killed Abel because God preferred Abel's sacrifice over Cain's.
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@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
24 Jan 07
This would be a very interesting thought. This would also be the earliest examply of a woman coming between men that I know of.