Ok, What's the Difference?

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
June 7, 2007 2:43pm CST
Why is a guy who leaves a pregnant woman alone a "dead beat dad", but it's somehow a woman's "right" to abandon her baby to the abortion clinic? Aren't they both simply making a choice to avoid the responsibilities of parenthood?
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
7 Jun 07
It is nothing more than a matter of perception and further evidence of the double standards that are prevalent in our society in favor of the females. Men are expected to take responsibility for the children while women aren't.
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8 Jun 07
Destiny, pregancy IS double standards in it's self. Men can make them, women have to carrying them. Until men can give birth, that's how it has to be.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jun 07
Agreed, the women are supposedly exercising their "rights" while the man is a bum. Niether are doing anything to be respected.
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• United States
8 Jun 07
Women are expected to take responsibility for the children in ways that men are not. We expect them to be full time caretakers while men are expected to be "babysitters" for a few hours a week. And these days they are also expected to hold down full time jobs while they are responsible for full time parenthood. I don't know how society favors females, really. We have thousands of years of patriarchy, which certainly doesn't "favor" females. It may "protect" females by limiting their freedom, however. While our society is struggling to find a balance, we may sometimes tip in one direction or the other. My hope is that one day we will see both genders as equal in personal and political powers.
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
8 Jun 07
I'll tell you why, because wants to have her cake and eat it too. It is biased. The law allows a woman to take power over a joint decision by aborting a life made by both man and woman, and the man has no say over it. Yet the same women are demanding that fathers who do not want the responsibility of fatherhood should pay child support, instead of teaching the single woman to financially support herself.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Jun 07
Actually, while it isn't real common, there are many cases of women getting abortions to "get back" at their husbands or boyfriends.
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• United States
8 Jun 07
I highly doubt that there are women who simultaneously getting abortions and have kids out of spite to the father. It's also the father's fault for not seeking out a legal relinquishment of his parental rights in the first place.
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@Swtrose (3385)
• Canada
8 Jun 07
I forgot the word she in there.
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@shannon76 (1232)
• United States
8 Jun 07
It's sad that we live in a society that would force a man to pay for childsupport for a child that he "really didn't want in the first place" but yet a woman can get an abortion and kill a child and the man has no say so in it. It might be her body, but it took two of them to make that child. She definatly wasn't alone.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Jun 07
Exactly! It also needs to be pointed out that the fetus ISN'T the mother or the father, so there is a third person involved with no choices at all.
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@shannon76 (1232)
• United States
8 Jun 07
VERY true!
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• Canada
8 Jun 07
I would say the difference is in the emotional feeling that is attached to both . Although I don't agree with abortion , it doesn't change the fact that being pregnant does a lot to a woman with all the hormonal changes , something a man will never experience . A man can walk away from a situation and not look back but no matter what a woman does , she will never forget what happened because there will always be some sort of evidence with the changes in her body that will remind her always of what she walked away from or how things might have been . They are both choices made but each with different effects . The effects for a woman will last a lifetime no matter how much she might want to put it out of her mind as she will carry a reminder with her everyday , while a man can just simply push it behing and not have any reminders carried with him each day .
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Jun 07
Whether it effects the rest of their lives or not is more about how much it bothered them to do it in the first place. If they didn't care, they rarely give it a second thought.
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@eden32 (3973)
• United States
8 Jun 07
There are many differences between terminating a pregnancy & refusing to care for a child. If a custodial parent (let's assume the mom here) stops providing meals, clothing, shelter etc for her child, social services will become involved and the mother will be charged with abuse and/or neglect. Those are the things child support is suppose to provide for, yet if the non-custodial parent refuses to pay, although they face many sanctions, abuse charges won't be one of them. A non-custodial parent does not *have* to do anything but pay their child support order. Which in the US is not more than 29% of their earnings for one child, and often it's much lower than that. A custodial parent must provide all of the child's needs period- irregardless of what their income is. No one can force him to be an active parent. If he's absent from the child's life, the mother may choose at some point to have his rights absolved and for her child to be adopted by her partner. Child support laws are among other things a way that society thought to balance out the in-balance nature created. A man can walk away from a pregnancy, a woman (up until 1972 in the US) can not. A man can impregnate a countless number of women, abandoning children without a second thought, often to become burdens on society; obviously a woman can not. Without these legal ramifications, men could be as wanton & irresponsible as they chose without a second thought. Women can not. A termination is a medical procedure done to a woman's body because she chooses not to be pregnant (& to endure all that entails) at this time. Pregnancy is a huge commitment, one that should only be entered into & one that can only be healthy in all aspects if it is by choice.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Jun 07
Why can't a women abandon a child? All either parent has to do is drop the baby off to any health care professional and they can walk away.
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• United States
8 Jun 07
I t would still require carrying a pregnancy, and generally not wanting to carry a pregnancy is the main reason for getting an abortion in the first place.
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@eden32 (3973)
• United States
8 Jun 07
What I was saying was that a woman can not walk away from a pregnancy. Even where abortions are legal, which is not everywhere by any means, she must undergo a medical procedure. A man can just walk away. The other thing was that a man can have countless children he abandons. A man could make hundreds of babies a day, well in theory anyway. More realistically he could be getting a new woman pregnant weekly and abandoning those children, with no natural ramifications. A woman on the other hand can't have more than about 1 child a year and she would have to endure the pregnancy, birth , and all physical & emotional issues that come with those & with surrendering her child for adoption. I do agree by the way that child support laws are slightly biased in favor of women. I don't however see a reasonable alternative that protects children (who are already born & without a doubt children).
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@vampoet (825)
• Singapore
7 Jun 07
I guess when it comes to the emotional effects, the woman has a lot more to deal with. Just imagine the trauma she has to live with after an abortion. Some women might not admit it but it does affect them in some level would be my guess. I guess guys have it easier as they can detach from the situation physically yet I would have guilty pangs if I was in such a situation.
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@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
7 Jun 07
"imagine the trauma she has to live with after an abortion. Some women might not admit it but it does affect them in some level" in some situations it may be "traumatic" for the woman but for the most part I think thats a bit too strong of a word...but yes for most of us (not all though) is certainly DOES affect us to some degree... Ppl need to stop assuming that just because we have an abortion DOESNT mean we are void of feelings or compassion...For us having an abortion isnt like getting a haircut..its a very very difficult decision to have to make for many of us...
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jun 07
yes, many women do have emotional effects, but then again many men who up and leave regret it later also. The fact is though, many women don't care in the least. I've had a lot of patients who were 16 and have had over 5 abortions already.
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8 Jun 07
youdontsay, I am glad you did say it! That was my thoughts exactly! If they are having that many pregnancies and that many abortions, apparently there is more going on here than meets that eye. These kids need to get some help for what ever is going on with them and in their lives.
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@MySpot (2600)
• United States
8 Jun 07
It does sound like a double-standard. I agree with other posters on the fact that it is a very different experience for women than men. Mothers are the ones who carry, deliver and raise/support the child with or without help from Daddy. Once a woman has made the decision to keep her child, she is obligated to physically, financially, emotionally and spiritually support their child where men can walk away at any time. Men have an option to relinquish his legal parental rights which would be fair considering that is what a woman does by dropping her baby off to a safe-drop (Hospitol, Police Department, Children's Agency) or by opting for adoption or abortion. Either way, it's probably not the most honorable or responsible behavior. These poor babies have to suffer for their parents' decisions : (
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Jun 07
Once the baby is born, both have equal opportunity to abandon or raise the child.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 Jun 07
I live in a world where all a woman has to do to legally abandon her baby is drop the baby off with any health care professional. The father has NO recourse if she does that. Furthermore, if a woman abandons her husband and kids, she can't be held liable for support.
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• United States
9 Jun 07
I don't know what world you live in, but in my world the choice to walk away from a child is not equal. Beyond the emotional and biological differences, the public distain is much greater for women. When a man walks away he might be considered a deadbeat dad. But when a woman walks away she is an unfit mother. The difference in how they are perceived is vast.
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@aries_0325 (3060)
• Philippines
12 Jan 08
I think we need to help the woman. And it is not right to abandon her baby to the abortion clinic and she need to give the child a proper burial. Abortion is an absolutely wrong and it is a crime of murder. And absolutely I am not favor for this. And I think the fetus have life and like us she/he have a right to see this wonderful world.
@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
8 Jun 07
Yes, I agree In both instances the person is being selfish and irresponsible by choosing to murder a helpless life, rather than endure the consequences of an action. If they feel they can not raise this child, adoption is an option. But you shouldnt kill a helpless life because you do not like the outcome of your actions. Just my opinion.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Jun 07
Yup, that cold hearted monster, "Unitended Consequences".
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@daryljane (3406)
• Philippines
7 Jun 07
i guess, its a matter of choice to "have fun" and not take the responsibility when things gets rough! well, technically, theyre the same!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Jun 07
Right, when the going gets tough they ran away.
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• United States
12 Jun 07
I dont think this comparison is a good one. More likely it would be to a baby abandoned in a firehouse or hospital as the equivalent. If the man abandons his child or the woman her responsibility they are equally at fault.
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