Do you think that an Omnipotent Creator that a gives free choice is an oxymoron?

Canada
June 24, 2007 8:47pm CST
As I was surfing around and reading a variety of discussions and responses my eye caught this concept and I felt the need to table it for discussion. It didn't ring true for me... then I went downstairs to share dinner with my hubby and he didn't agree with it either...and I am interested in what others have to say about it. Whether you are a believer, atheist, agnostic...the concept is what I am after...not the religious or spiritual dogma around it. According to the dictionary the meaning of omnipotent is: all-powerful, almighty, deity, godlike, great, mighty, powerful, unequaled, unlimited etc. So if a Being is all of that why wouldn't He/She be all-knowing enough to understand that giving everyone the right of free will is the most loving, compassionate, enlightened thing to do? Even more aware human beings know that respecting others right of free will leads to more loving choices. I could see it being an oxymoron if the Creator was controlling, manipulative and over-rode the right of choice and said that He/She didn't...but whatever else you believe..we all have a right to make choices. Soooooo...what do you think about the question?
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
25 Jun 07
well I didn't get the Question? Yes we have free will! Love is All there Is! The Creator is Loving and All Knowing! What else can I say? What else do you want?
• Canada
25 Jun 07
Your view echos mine...my question was for those who say that an Omnipotent Being would not provide the right of free will. Remember this was not my original thought. Another mylot member made that statement in a casual response to another and i did not agree with it. I stated that in the beginning if you had read the question. I don't want anything but RESPECTFUL DIALOGUE on the subject...that is why we're here...Right?
@missak (3311)
• Spain
25 Jun 07
Well... that is a wonderful question. This question has started my own philosophy and rebuilt my beliefs some time ago. The religious determinism claims since God (Godess or whatever) is omnipotent, God knows and controls everything, so we have no free will. I hate this idea, and freedom is for me the most precious value, so I looked into these councepts deeper. One side, we have the free will itself, the other side, the omnipotency which actually means power. So what directly comes to my mind is that power is a political or economical affair. What does God has to do with politics or economy? Not much. So I conclude that actually the "omnipotency" is a human eager that maybe God is not concerned with. We humans have this weaknes of ego that makes as wanting more and more, and thinking we will get that with power. So in a primitive thought, we may think that God has this totalitary power. But in my opinion, God is over that, and don't has this need for controlling others to feed selfish feelings. So God is not exactly omnipotent. But God does have some powers we don't have, since God is over all. The most wonderful of thoose powers is precisely the capacity of giving as freedom. We ourselfs can not create something and give it freedom, we just can approach that by making a robot programmed to make things, but never create an actual soul with decision capacity. So God is "omnipotent" since God can give us freedom. There is no oxymoron, in my opinion. Exactly the contrary.
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• Canada
25 Jun 07
Well...what a wonderful response! Your perspective echos mine and I value your insightful viewpoint...again! Your comments about freedom are so true. The universe is onesong, ever-expansive, without restriction. Everywhere we look the universe flows with freedom..the water goes to the edge, the land flows right out from it. Air and water coexist without boundaries or constraint...and so the evidence of freedom is eveywhere. I, like you refuse to accept that the freedom everywhere else in the universe would be denied to us through an omnipotent being that left no room for expansion or choice.
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
26 Jun 07
ILove your "expansion" explanation too!
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• Canada
27 Jun 07
Thanks Missak, Ahhh, freedom, expansion, love, light...what delightful words to describe the feelings we all so appreciate experiencing!
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@Katagiri (426)
• Brazil
26 Jun 07
Yes... a very big oxymoron! With free choice people can kill, steal and so many other mean things! Imagine humanity with no free choices how peaceful! No wars, no killing! Maybe no fun... but you wouldn't get harmed at least! XD
• Canada
27 Jun 07
You bring up some intersting points...true if Creator was truly omnipotent He/She would not allow the horrendous things human beings do to each other through free will. But then if we didn't have the dark side to reveal what we DON'T want...we would never have a point of comparison to assist us in choosing what we DO want. I loved what you said about no fun either. Well free will is what we have...so I guess we'd better make the most of it and hopefully have some 'causing harm to none fun' while we are learning our life lessons along the discovery trails and choosing....whatever!
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24 Jul 07
Being an atheist I suppose that I am biased with this one. I must highlight that I don't wish to cause offence to anyone at all in this discussion. Just because I am a non believer doesn't mean that what I believe is actually true. In my opinion a large part of religion is the social support network that comes with it. For this reason I believe that the statement is an oxymoron, and in some ways provides a get out clause. By saying that we have free will God get's off lightly when people do bad things. Sorry if I sound flippant. At the same time though I think that is a good thing, as it would certainly not be right for crimes such as murder or rape.
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• Canada
28 Jul 07
There were a few reasons I called this site perspectives. Some of them have to do with my writing company...but I also wanted to have all different 'perspectives.' You have presented your viewpoint with a respect for differences. I particularly respect your self-honesty when you said "Just because I am a non-believer doesn't mean that what I believe is actually true." If more people were willing to approach dialogues in that way we'd have greater cooperation. Anyway...I think your views are balanced and fair-minded and I understand the dichotomy...could be either way. I guess none of us will know fore sure until this life is over.