Do you go to church?

@Amstardam (1348)
United States
July 11, 2007 12:17am CST
I'm almost scared to go to another church again. Everytime I think I might have found one, something goes wrong. Not many churches have the same view on...anything that I do. It seems to always be "agree with me or nothing else goes." I'm tired of the "hate the sin, love the sinner" fake wishy-washy Christians. Be what you believe and if you're a Christian your job is to affirm Christ not anything or anyone else. But you know what? Christ would affirm everyone and love everyone for who they are. Stop hating!! Grr!
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@nishdan01 (3051)
• Singapore
11 Jul 07
I do go to church. I don't think anyone there hates anyone. Even if someone does that, let us forgive and forget. That is the message Jesus gave us. If you do not like a denomination, better choose another one. If denominations does not work out, give a try to mega churches. If nothing is working out, perhaps the fault lies in ourselves. Ask the Holyspirit to guide and show what is the wrong in us. Once we find our fault, we can change and let others in the path of light.
@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
12 Jul 07
Oh my, I don't think I could ever go to a megachurch...well if I lived in Michigan there is one than I would much like to visit. But it's far removed from most mega churches these days. I'm glad you found a church you like. Forgive and forget is definitely not easy but a good practice to live by.
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
12 Jul 07
Oh my, I don't think I could ever go to a megachurch...well if I lived in Michigan there is one than I would much like to visit. But it's far removed from most mega churches these days. I'm glad you found a church you like. Forgive and forget is definitely not easy but a good practice to live by.
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@callarse1 (4783)
• United States
11 Jul 07
It can be confusing because of all the contradictions. You just have to find a place you can go to and worship. It may not have to be a church, but in your house, with friends and all that. I don't go to church, but I wish I do.
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
14 Jul 07
House churches are growing in popularity these days. Many people get together for worship, prayer, and then everybody shares. They believe in a more old testament way of church. I think I would love that, but it's hard to find people who are willing to do that.
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@whywiki (6066)
• Canada
11 Jul 07
I am an atheist and don't go to church. I think it is a waste of time. I have much better things to do on Sunday mornings.
@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
12 Jul 07
like sleeping in! That's always nice :)
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• United States
11 Jul 07
I try to go to church every Sunday..it makes me feel much better..I want to do what The Lord wants me to do..I know that "going to Church" won't get you to Heaven but it does help to keep me more grounded and their is so much more that I do need to learn about the Bible..funny thing is when I "don't" go to Church, I have a horrible week..When I "go" even if things do go wrong, I am closer to the Lord and he helps me through it ..
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
14 Jul 07
You're right, going to church does help me feel more grounded too and I want my son to have that instilled in him. But I also want him to have a church that actually practices what it preaches.
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@xkristalx (230)
• United States
19 Jul 07
I used to feel that way about church too, but there are actually to churches that I attend on a regular basis now. I do not go to the sunday lecture at either one, I go to the bible studies. Both churches have their bible studies ran by someone who is a recovering addict and in one case an ex thug. I find it very refreshing to listen to someone say, "I've done a lot of bad things, and I'm not perfect, and I will still make mistakes, but God loves me."
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
19 Jul 07
That sounds great. I'd actually like to get involved in a Bible study where everyone is allowed to have input. Do you read at all? A perfect author that relates quite well to your sentence in quotes above is Anne Lamott. She isn't a Christian writer but she is a Christian. She has both nonfiction and fiction books. But her nonfiction is quite popular among spiritualists looking for something beyond religion. There's also the more popular Donald Miller and Rob Bell.
@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
21 Jul 07
I usually just try to find the section or ask someone who works there...it's easier that way! ;)
• United States
19 Jul 07
Hey thanks I will try to check those out. I feel like an idiot admitting this but ever since the library switched from the dewy decimal system I cant find anything there.
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• South Korea
11 Jul 07
You dont have to go to church.. All you have to do is to have faith and good deeds..
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• Philippines
12 Jul 07
i don't agree with you. i mean why NOT go to church? God only permits us to go to church as least once a week. Why NOT?
@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
14 Jul 07
I don't believe you can earn your way into Heaven with good deeds. But I do think that faith and good deeds go hand in hand. I also agree that you don't have to go to church. I don't think going to church will make me a better person. I think there are many people who don't go to church who are great people. I also think there are many people who go to church that are horrible people.
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• South Korea
12 Jul 07
PErmits only for one day?? why? did he allows you to go for atleast one day?? cant you go everyday? you dont get my point there,, does every people who goes to church do good deeds after they went to church? i think not... they should be ashame for them selves
@GardenGerty (157674)
• United States
12 Jul 07
Yes, I go to church. I attend a denomination that I have attended for 49 years. Not because I believe that it is the only right way to heaven, but because they do stay out of politics. They say Christians SHOULD vote, but they do not say who to vote for, and they support being educated, and believing. I like your post. It is hard to quit hating, as it makes us feel superior to those other people. Good luck in finding the faith you are looking for. I did learn early on that it does not work to change churches because you like the leadership, because leaders change.There have been times, and some leaders I have not cared for personally, but I honored them, if they honored God. Look around, but be sure they stick to the Bible, the whole Bible.
@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
14 Jul 07
That's where I struggle with most these days. I read the Bible and I know what it says. Yes, it is unclear or does not mention some things but the things that it does, I try to follow. Churches these days seem to focus more on "spirituality" and having a great "relationship" with God and not caring about how you live. They show movies, do skits, or have a great band instead of reading from the Bible. I love a church that just reads the Bible...not reads a verse and then does a sermon, but they read the Bible and comment here and there.
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@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
12 Jul 07
well our youth pastor spoke about tamar in genesis last sunday and it would seem that christians are the worst in judging people...he said even most gays and environmentalists are often more welcoming than christians are... hope you find a church that you are comfortable in.
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
12 Jul 07
I agree that most Christians are the worst when it comes to judging people. But then again I find that people who claim to be athiests are just as worse. The thing about Christianity that most Christiasn don't get is that the Bible was written for those that believe...so the Bible doesn't even pertain to those that don't.
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@maddysmommy (16230)
• United States
11 Jul 07
No I don't go to church. I have been struggling with which one to go to since we arrived in the USA. My husbands family is Seven Day Adventist, even though I converted I still don't understand a lot of their beliefs and so forth. I did go to one in Samoa but too many hypocrites so I left. My son went with his grandfather or the neighbors most Saturdays. My husband and I both get lectures from his father and I just roll my eyes. When I am ready and the time is right, I know I will find one to go to, until then, I would rather just have my own personal time with God.
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
12 Jul 07
The church is filled with hypocrites, but it's not just the church, everyone is a hypocrite. I don't know much about Seventh Day Adventist. I was raised Baptist, but don't associate myself with that denomination anymore. I think personal time with God is a great way to go.
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• United States
11 Jul 07
I for one, believe in keeping the Sabbath and I'm a Christian, so it took me a long time to find a Christian church that keeps Saturday instead of Sunday. And though I'm couldn't be happier with my church (it follows everything by the bible and that's what I believe in) there are things that always throw me off. A pastor might something weird. Our organization has a few small rules that the "organization" has put in place and the rule is no where in the bible. Things like these...but they are quite small. So you'll find that every church has it's flaw, even when everything else might be perfect to you. I won't leave my church because of these minor things though, they aren't really issues that concern my salvation. Good luck finding your church though! And when you do, keep in mind that nothing in this day and age is perfect. We'll have to wait until God's government for that one! :)
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
14 Jul 07
It is sad that very few churches hold Saturday services and if they do it's more because they are growing and need more services not because they are keeping the Sabbath. I think it's great that you found a church that holds a Saturday service for all the right reasons.
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• United States
15 Jul 07
Thanks so much, that means a lot. A lot of my friends and family think I'm absolutely insane, for being so different and not doing most of the things that are 'normal'. But God keeps me going! He provides me with those extra durable Duracell batteries. Haha! :P +
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@Cassy1976 (796)
• Australia
16 Jul 07
No I do not go to church, I believe in god but I do not believe in organised religion. As a child my mum sent us to sunday school and all of that but as an adult I do not wish to attend
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
16 Jul 07
That's what I love about freedom of choice! :)
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• United States
12 Jul 07
Yes, I agree on most of what you said..in fact all of what you said..but i have gone back to church as this was the church my parents took me when i was growing up. This church has only about 100 members and only about 12 to 15 show up on a given Sunday. But I am goint alone as my wife is Catholic and I am Lutheran and we have our own beliefs and never talk religion. But I always think of them and I pray a lot and read the Bible and go to Bible classes after church.. Yes, it is hard to believe and I would never try to convert someone as I am not a good example myself.. but it has been years since I went and now it seems the right thing to do and I don't give all my money to the church either...i don't believe in that either..just what i think is ok..but just pray in your heart that God will put his hand on you and help you get to your destination in safety...that is what I do..God Bless You..
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
14 Jul 07
I don't believe in trying to convert people. Words don't do much when it comes to faith and religion. I think smaller churches are really great. You get a chance to know each other and really fellowship. There are way too many megechurches out there that it's truly hard to get involved in and get to know people. It usually ends up being very fake too.
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@Sushicook (690)
• Sweden
16 Jul 07
I was an agnostic for many many years, and just recently started going to church again. All of the churches I've been to before have either been like the ones you described, or just plain dull. This new one I'm attending seems very open about the different kinds of Christianity and welcomes anyone regardless of past or present doings. It will be interesting to see in the future if it will turn into the kind of church that you are referring to.. I have good faith in it though.
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
16 Jul 07
That's so great! I hope it works out for you. Churches that accept people for who they are and not condeming them are rare and hard to find. I hope I find one like that soon!
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@JBrulez (663)
• Philippines
11 Jul 07
I often go to church to pray for myself,family,friends,for world peace and for you my brother. it is our faith taht dictates our destiny in life so we should also allot time to our lord Jesus. let us love one another for for one's progress to prosper. i wonder if business managers,stocholders,investors and all tose people who's job describes a hectic schedule visit the church to give thanks to what they have right now???
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
14 Jul 07
Have you been to the World Prayer Center in Colorado Springs? I've heard it's really cool. I used to work right down the street before I moved to Seattle a few years ago. I never went it in because of who it was affiliated with but I think it's a great concept. Prayer is very important!
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
15 Jul 07
I understand your feeling completely. It's almost as if Christianity is not the problem but Christians! The truth is that we are all 'sinners'. God made us that way, after all! He gave us free will and in order that it shouldn't be like a Communist state, with only one party to choose, he also created choices for us ... some of which are definitely wrong but others of which some may see as 'not as good as' their choices. What matters ultimately is not how others see us but how God sees us ... and how we see Him and keep talking to Him. Once we understand who He is and how much he loves us and is part of each of us, it becomes natural to do as much as we can in harmony with His way and in the true spirit of our Creator. It often becomes unimportant in our personal relationship with Him whether we go to Church and sing hymns and say prayers there or not, since all of our living becomes a worship and a prayer and a joy of being with Him. It doesn't even matter whether we call ourselves Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, Rasta or even Pagan so long as we feel that greater presence within us and living as part of us as we stumble along trying to make ourselves in harmony with it.
@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
17 Jul 07
Yes, I would have said the same of many religions - or, really, of certain sects of certain religions - but I understood you to be talking of certain Christian churches.
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
16 Jul 07
Very well said and I would agree that Christians are part of the problem, but I think any religion is part of the problem. Religion teaches you to discriminate against each other when we should just accept each other. I think it's great that most people choose a religion to follow, but they shouldn't enforce it on one another. We should accept each other's differences.
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@diannebcrs (1549)
• Philippines
12 Jul 07
nope.
@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
14 Jul 07
and that's okay! :)
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• United States
11 Jul 07
I was raised Catholic, and as I got older, I realized that I didn't agree with a lot of the teachings of the Catholic Church. I stopped going to church while I was in college, and only go now when my family insists that I go--usually for things like weddings or major holidays. They've learned not to push the issue with me, pretty much. My opinion is that you can still believe in God and not have to worship with other "Christians." Having moved from an area where nearly everyone was a church-attending Christian, and really looked down on those who didn't attend church, I got a little tired of the self-righteousness that I saw so often. It's better to just stay away from those people, if you ask me. (I don't actually consider myself a Christian anymore, but that's neither here nor there.)
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
12 Jul 07
I totally understand the not considering yourself a Christian anymore. Same thing for me, but you're right that's another story. I went from living in one of the most "religious" cities and home of Focus on the Family to the most unchurched city in the US. People here are much more real and open about their spirituality and what they and do not believe.
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• China
12 Jul 07
Yes, i went to the church only one time , i can not discribe the feel when i sit down in the church, and i think it is so strange for me ! The view is so strange , i can not say the view is beautiful !
@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
14 Jul 07
understandable, walking into a church can be very strange and sometimes even scary!
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• United States
11 Jul 07
As one can never say never, I can't say I will never attend another church in my life. However, unless there some drastic changes in Christian churches here in the US, I can't see myself attending such a den of hypocracy. For me, God's church is in my heart and mind. I carry God's church whereever I go. God's church is also out in nature - the very creation of His. I don't need someone telling me when to stand, when to sit, what hymn to sing when, and to tell me how the "correct" version of the Bible is. For me, my spirituality is between God and I. And no one has the right to tell another how they should pray, who they should pray to, or to assume one will go to hell if they don't live the way they say they should. *steps down from the soapbox* ... sorry, I could go on and on about this subject.
@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
11 Jul 07
what most churches tend to forget is that churches are about affirming Christ and not a certain group of people.
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12 Jul 07
I was raised as catholic, used to be staunch believer when i was kid. may have been caused by the fact that my familly and people around me were strong catholics. As I started standing on my feet, started slowly drifting away from religion. not because of laziness or anything, just because I think, i understood more from world and life that religion was created by Man and God doesnt exist. So i have been atheist for last 10yrs of my life, my wife is strong catholic, and we dont interfere in each others beliefs. I think belief is personal and left better as personal.
@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
14 Jul 07
I'm glad you and your wife can still have a great relationship and that religion doesn't interfere! That's great. I don't know many people who could handle that.
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@Amstardam (1348)
• United States
14 Jul 07
I'm glad you and your wife can still have a great relationship and that religion doesn't interfere! That's great. I don't know many people who could handle that.
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