What would be proof (or is proof to you) that God exists?
August 5, 2007 11:44am CST
I'd say the defense for atheism provides evidence but not irrefutable evidence. A believer could still come back and say that it was God who started the Big Bang and set evolution in motion and the atheists could not present evidence otherwise, because no one knows for sure. Also, cases of prayer bringing about results could be put forward as evidence of God's existence, as many people could vouch for it happening. One could say, "just because these guys prayed, and this guy got better, doesn;t mean the two are connected" but then one could say, "just because we share genes with apes, doesn't mean we evolved from them" for evolution is essentially, not a certainty, but a theory. In the end, it all comes back to the nature of God - he's the big omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent spiritual dude - he's not material, so material evidence cannot prove His existence. But it does NOT mean he doesn't exist. Does love exist? The only evidence we can provide is people's experience of it, their belief in it - the same can be said of God.
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5 Aug 07
As far as I'm concerned, the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven because without faith, he cannot be God. That's specifically a Christian viewpoint, but I think you can generalise. So in that case... God exists for those with faith in him and not for those without faith. Maybe he exists, maybe he doesn't.
6 Aug 07
i think there are 2 reasons why people become atheists. one is that there is the presence of reasons for them not to believe in god. such examples would be the presence of pain and suffering. another reason would be that they have never experienced god in their lives, thus, they choose not to believe in god. however, i think that both these reasons for being atheists acknowledges the presence of god. for the 1st reason, people who do not believe in god because there is pain and suffering, initially expect god to alleviate those negative things in the earth. so in a way, this type of atheist still believes that there is in one form or another, a god that exists. the second type of atheist, views god as someone we should experience materially. since they haven't experienced god, then there is no god. i think it all rests on a person's faith. you're right, no one can really prove that god does exist (if we rely on science - what with the material proofs and whatnot).
6 Aug 07
I think that it is an individual thing. The Bible says that God can not lie, so I would say to do exactly what the Bible tells you to do and you will know for yourself whether or not God is real. There have been scientist that have proved to themselves that God is real, while in the midst of trying to prove that he is not. The Bible also says that Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my words shall never pass away. Zillions have tried to discount the Bible as a fable meant to keep people in control. But it is still the best selling book of all time, because it is true. If it were true that we evolved from apes, then why are we not still evolving from apes, but yet still coming into existence. I was reading about Darwin last week and the magazine was saying a lot about how Darwin said the Bible was not true, because he did not want anything controlling what he did and didn't do. If the Bible were not true, people would not put so much energy and time into trying to prove that it was not true. They would leave it alone and let the "lie" speak for itself. Now, they are going so far as to say that if we teach our children the things written in the Bible it should be considered child abuse. Why? What are they afraid of? That the children are going to live the way the Bible teaches. How dare us want our children to live right!!!.
• Kottayam, India
5 Aug 07
Can you the nature, where there is a systematic approach in creation.So I believe there is a maker of all these things.God is a Spirit to know Him we have to believe.The existence of the nation of Israel is itself is a proof.
5 Aug 07
Hi, well this thread can have so many replies and various views also, reason again being that each person is different and will have various experiences that they may have faced and each person will have thier own views and opinions upon this. So the more people you ask the more answers, confusing and different you will face. Well for me for one i would say that god exists within you, if you feel his power and presence, it starts and rises from within you, no ones saying anything or you reading about god, proves that hes there, its only when you have felt his power and know deep within that there is someone, that you have enough proof for yourself to judge.
• Thiruvananthapuram, India
5 Aug 07
As for the existence of God or a supernatural aura that surveills all our actions ...if you believe that there is one ,there HE is .To seek solid proof about an unseen force is the choice of non-believers. I am a firm believer and I can vouchsafe for the supernatural which has saved me at the eleventh hour. Good luck . LOL.
6 Aug 07
Just a few more questions of God. Does not "everything" exist? Even an atheist must see that there is "everything" in front of him. Does everything that is in front of our eyes, need a belief in it in order to exist? Everything exists otherwise there would be no perception - it is not possible for it not to exist. Some people call this God. Some people call this existentialism. Some people call it.. whatever... Are dreams not part of everything? Do they exist? Isn't a belief just a dream of what may/may not be? Is it easy to wake somebody in a deep dream? Is it even harder if they believe they are awake already!? The omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent is all one, but don't we just dream it is fragmented?
6 Aug 07
i too strongly believe in the existence of GOD, just because u can't see Him does not mean He does not exist, India has proofs that Lord Ram, Lord Krishna and Pandavas lived here, also Nasa has revealed the Adam's bridge between India and Sri-Lanka. The bridge which is mentioned in Ramayana, built by the Followers of Rama for Rama to cross Indian Ocean.