This is how I grew up.

United States
October 17, 2007 10:32pm CST
When I was a child my father was abusive. He denies it to this day and my mother even verifies my memories. I remember all the hitting and yelling and screaming. I became my father until I was about 16. I realized what I was doing to my younger brother and sister and some acquaintances' and did not like I saw. I am now married with a daughter, 5, and I hate to think I am falling back into old habits. My agree was really bad for a while but then I stopped taking my BC and now have a better handle on it. I still yell A LOT!!!! I feel horrible but boy does she know how to push those buttons. Of course she does, she is my daughter. She knows exactly what upsets me and knows she is doing it also. We disagree a number of times a day. I tell her to wear her jacket and she says "NO!". She wants junk food for lunch and I tell her after she eats a sandwich. She tells me "NO!". Bedtime, forget it...It is like pulling teeth. I know she is testing boundaries and limits but I hate fighting with her everyday. I get upset and she cries. I just wish it would stop. All I think of is that this is only the beginning. I have her pre-adolescent years and teen years to deal with. Maybe the two of us can work this out now so those years will be nicer. Parents...what have you done to change the situation and keep the fights from happening? I try making deals with her but they rarely work. I am at my wits end and tell her just to go to her room when she starts arguing with me or telling me "NO!". I can use all the opinions I could get. Thank you for your time.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
18 Oct 07
It is good that you realise that you are your father. That permit you to do something about it. You must learn to control yourself... and you can do it. You simply need to think before reacting. My favourite punishment with children of any age is to ignore them and stop doing things for them. Children need to know that their parents are there for them. As soon as you ignore them by stopping talking to them... they are lost. They will come to you... crying and begging you to talk to them. As they get older... you can get tougher. If you drive them to school and they are giving you a hard time... tell them to walk or take the bus. You will see them changing their attitude straight away. You are the boss and you hold all the cards. There is no need to yell at her. Just ignore her. If she don't want to go to bed... let her stay up. She will pay for it in the morning and after being tired the whole day... she will get the message... as long as you don't give in by letting her sleep in. Yelling does not solve anything. It just makes you feel bad later on. Like you do now. You cannot teach children or adults by telling them what to do. None of them wants to listen. You have to make them experience their mistake. By letting her up... only then she will understand the next day why she need to go to bed. It requires more work on your part... as you may also pay for her mistake. But in the long run... she will learn quicker and it will save you a lot of time and aggravation.
• Australia
18 Oct 07
Just tell her "I am not talking to you anymore"... And watch her reaction... even if it is not instant... it won't take very long at all before she wants you to talk to her. Then you make a trade... You will only talk to her if she does what you wanted her to do in the first place.
• Australia
18 Oct 07
Sound like you need to come up with a punishment to teach her not to scream. Something that she cannot do without... or something which will upset her. Everytime she start screaming... you punish her until she get the message. It must not be something which will make her scream even more. It has to be something which will make her cry. Something close to her heart. You have to be creative. As they say... sometimes you need to be mean to be kind. If you punish her hard the first time... the next time... you will only need to make the threat...
• United States
18 Oct 07
Two things. When she goes to bed she stays up ... at least 2 hours later before she falls asleep. As long as she does not come out of her room or call for me and stays in bed she can stay up as long as she wants. She still has to get up early in the morning. Second, I also tell her if she wants to play on my computer she needs to clean her room. She just keeps asking and not cleaning till I get a headache and want to scream. I usually don't scream but send her to her room or tell her to leave me alone. This happens day after day and her room gets messier and messier. Thank you for your response. I am trying not to yell.
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@quanto50 (140)
• Sweden
19 Oct 07
Actually you'd better be a bit strict with your children when they are young enough, because it helps.They may not like you for this in their childhood but they will understand it when they will be over 20 years old. Because if you raise your children indulgent they will not respect you when they will grow up.You have to explain them and instill the sense of responsibility..instill the feeling that life is hard and that every human being tends to be alone and thus respect each other in the first place their parents.. you should kinda set out the paradigm for them to think in. It is the problem of the whole western world ..that they really don't know how to grow up their children. they don't be strict with them. and the results goes as the indulgence and disrespect when they grow up.. because when they were young they didn't set in the paradigm of being thankfulness ,..respectability.. reverence..good qualities..when the child is young it absorbs the whole thin that goes on around and doesn't have the filtration..takes in everything. and instill i it mind that the things it has seen are all applicable and all right.. even when parents talk with each other in higher tones and fight ..shout it wil negatively effect the child sitting nearby..
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• United States
27 Oct 07
I do agree with this, however... here in the "western world" ie at least here in texas, lol, our hands as parents get tied. We are not allowed to spank our children, or punish them in any physical way in my house due to a bad situation last year. My son (as mentioned above) was throwing a horibble fit and threw a chair at me and his sister who was only 1 at the time. My husband lost his temper and slaped our son. Yes, this was probobly not the thing to do, but then child protective services got called and they made us sign a paper saying that we would use no form of physical punishment on our children else they would take both of our children away. After further investigation even the case worker was apologizing for having to place this parenting restriction on us, but that is the way the laws are here and why children think that they can do anything. The parents hands become tied and with out any sort of enforcement of the rules the children just do as they wish.
@quanto50 (140)
• Sweden
27 Oct 07
Those laws have faults.They were entitled for those actions of parents who used to kill their children. So it's pointless to hate the law for that.Those laws should be reviewed by the parliament and for this thousands and millions of parents should criticize and demand the review and amendment of that crap law that is really contributing to the over overindulgence of the children who are not being punished physically.Anyway you should know the way how to grow up your child. You have to show them and show them everything in practice that they should value your labor in their upbringing.They have to be practically shown and felt that life is difficult thing and in this loop only parents are the true lovers and supporters of them and thus they should respect you. You have to penetrate this thing deep into them.You have to install this to their mind.If you can't achieve it, then everything you did goes down the drain.
@azimsay (543)
• India
18 Oct 07
I remember that day when I was kid part,then I was children was in school,then in collage,and then I am in marrage life.When how I get grow I donot know those days.
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@jesus777 (662)
• Bermuda
18 Oct 07
i would nip this behaviour in the bud before it is to late let her know that you are the boss and you are her mother you came first not her and maybe let her know that there are consequences for her action maybe take away her toys or something and everytime she mis behaves remind her that if she continues with this behaviour she will get her toys taken away or something that she really loves doing then she might think about how she is behaving but you have to take the upper hand in the situation and not allow her to walk all over you your name is parent not hers you are the adult you need to teach her to respect you!!!!!
• United States
18 Oct 07
Thank you. I do inform her that I am the mother and she the child and she does what I say not the other way around. Taking things away from her really does not work anymore. We went through that when she was 4, now she is going on 6. Hint: Everytime you take something of importance away from them they find something else and make that important and forget about what you took away. I do not want her to hate me although when she says it I just say "Okay, that's fine." Trust me, she does not walk all over me...reason for all the fights.
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@Amberina (1541)
• United States
18 Oct 07
Just keep in mind she won't be 5 forever and pretty soon the years will fly by the older she gets and then pretty soon you will see her packing up to move out on her own, and you will wish she was 5 all over again. -Amber
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@Grooval (23)
• China
18 Oct 07
When I was young,I was very naughty.I would do everything my mother didn't want me to do and would never do anything she asked me to do. But ,you know,every child loves his/her parents.Even sometimes they deeply hurt mother or father,the love is always there,and can nothing replace it.So I think when you are angry with her,you shuold try to cool down yourself.Just wait for her growing up. Hope you ALL happy.
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
18 Oct 07
Have you thought about parenting classes. They might help you to know where your daughter is coming from and how to get better controll of your self too. I would get them as soon as possible. Kids learn early just what buttons to push I know I raised 4 of them and the girls are the best at pushing those buttons. Yes I would sugest paernting classes and if you can't afford then go to social services and they should be able to help you get them.
@lanfear55 (157)
• United States
18 Oct 07
Ok, so I completly know where your coming from on this. I grew up in a very simular situation, except I was an only child. I now have two children of my own, one 2 the other 7, and they both know how to push my buttons. Now, I have on several occasions found myself going what I consider "over the limit" with them. It also dosnt help much that my older child is adhd and my younger is a "high need" child (*this is the new "PC" term for high maintance or needy, lol) I spent a good part of the last year in some personal counseling to get some help for this, because I did NOT want my children to grow up in anything like the type of household I grew up in. There are a few things I have learned.. #1 Learn to walk away: when you start to feel that boiling point walk away without another word. Even if it means that you have to lock yourself in the bathroom for a couple of min. to cool down do it. #2 Have someone outside of the situation that you can vent to. ie friend or counselor. Other family members arent usually recomended because they want to get all involved and you just need someone to be a sounding board. #3 Set up a points system with your girl. With my son I have been using, in conjuction with the school, the boys town point system. They start off each day with all of the points they could possibly earn. Then as the day goes on if they brake the rules, show disrespect, or just wont listen, they lose points. (you can make your own sheet and put values and goals however you see fit, msg me if youd like more help on building a sheet) At the end of each day the points are tallied and then they can either "spend" the points on little things, like toys or candy that youd pick up really cheap, or they can save up for something bigger, like going out to someplace they really like. The way I have it set up with my son is that he starts each day with 65 points and his points goal for each day is 38. Now, if at the end of thursday he has had two day where he has met goal and he has a total of at least 100 points saved then at school on friday he gets 2 hours of computer game time. If he has had 3 days of meeting his goal by the end of the week, then during his sisters nap time on saturday I will read him Harry Potter for the entire nap time. If he has 4 days during the school week of meeting his goal then he gets to go and pick out a toy that is under $15. And if (still waiting for this one, though) he has had a wonderful week and made goal for five days, then we go out and do someting really fun like putt-putt or chucky cheese. Its a reverse upbringing, I guess, from how we were brought up. If the child knows what they could have in advance and you are consistent with this then she will probobly straighten right up. My son has really done much better on this program than on anyting else I have tried. Good luck!
• United States
18 Oct 07
I started feeling so much better when reading your response. Knowing there is someone else who knows what I am going through that I can talk to and get advise from is a wonderful feelng. I tried the point system with pennys, it did not work. I will try it the way you do it with your son and maybe she will see more of a positive result and keep going. I definately need to leave myself because sometimes she just does not want to go to her room and then another arguement starts. It is like a circle. Thank you so much for your time.
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• Philippines
18 Oct 07
I agree that if you grew with parents who are abusive and yell a lot, chances are you can also have the same behavior. I noticed that when we had a neighbor whose parents shout and yell at their children even when they have an ordinary conversation. When their children grew, they also talk loudly.