Meat - animal cruelty

@LittleMel (14059)
Canada
December 21, 2007 3:08am CST
http://www.chooseveg.com/Animal-cruelty.asp I just want to share with you this video. I couldn't watch it, all I did was listened to it. I have made a decision around last week, to start become a pure vegetarian. I have read somewhere that lobsters are fried alive and chicken skinned alive before being sold at the market. Now this video. Not eating meat is nothing big for me. But not eating seafood is another. It's going to be difficult to be pure vegetarian for me, and this decision may sound stupid to you, but watch the video and tell me why do you think people should be allowed to do this. They breed these animals to be slaughtered, do they have to abuse them while these animals are still breathing too?
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
21 Dec 07
LittleMel if I could be a vegetarian I would be. In fact when I was in college I did become a vegan...but unfortunately that screwed up my metabolism forever and now have had a blood sugar disrder since I was in college...that was in 1977..as much as I would love to be vegan I just can't unless to risk serious health hazards..eating a lot of tofu, or soybeans or lentils to substitute for meat proteins just doesn't do it for me especially since I seem to have a soy intolerance. I more than any other person here am one hundred percent against animal cruelty...I've seen these videos so many times...I KNOW all about this...that is why, when I do get meat, I buy at places that sell meats that were raised on free-range farms...that is not factory raised farms that cater to most supermarkets...Have you ever seen the cruelty for instance of the chickens raised for consumption at Kentucky Fried Chicken?? I haven't been at fast food places in OVER twenty years...one since I never cared for the taste of the food there..this would include McDonalds and Burger King..but places like this cater to the cruelty of farm raised mass produced animals for food...so maybe in a sense, my taste buds refused to eat this, as I just didn't care for it... Yes you're right lobsters are boiled alive..scientific studies with exclusive mics have documented the screams of lobsters as they are put into the boiling water...kind of makes me glad I never developed a taste for them--but the same is true for crabs....many crabs are also sold "live" You have to understand NOT ALL animals raised for food production are cruelly killed like in the videos...if you can get your food from organically free range farms no problem....just try to find them is the problem...and of course you have to pay more--ironic no? Like I said ...I wish I could be one=hundred percent vegan...but unless I literally want to die from lack of protein, I can't...having a blood sugar problem really complicates things --I do need the protein and not just from veggies... Oh by the way...unless you get eggs from free range chickens...you're just as guilty in the horrible conditions for chickens...same with milk....unless you get organic free-ranged produced milk..same thing...gets very complicated
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
21 Dec 07
As another ps...I've been an animal activist for sometime against animal cruelty...I'm still working on this site, but I have one here..right up your alley so to say http://ifeveryonecared.bravehost.com/
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@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
21 Dec 07
hi pye, I think healthy or not still depends on the person not what they eat only. I can't literally blame all meat eaters for the abuse. I realize there are people like you with health problem and fact is we humans are omnivores, we eat meat and vegetables anyway. I just can't eat something that was tortured. I mean, if you want to eat something kill it right there, not torturing it when it's still alive. now about organic farms, do they mark their products organic? if so then I know where to find them. I will make an effort to be purely vegan, but I'm not sure about skipping milk. Eggs I can pass. I only eat eggs and meat 3 times a week so reducing it to zero won't be as hard as not eating seafood since I grew up eating seafood.
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@pyewacket (43962)
• United States
22 Dec 07
Well one way to make sure one is staying away from eating animals that have been tortured is any fast food place...they are the worse culprit...such as Kentucky Fried Chicken--many of those videos of how chickens are raised are the chickens raised for KFC consumption Yes, if something is organic, it does have to say organic or cage-free, something like that. For instance, there are brands of eggs that are cage-free/organic, which means the chickens can roam around and aren't penned up in cages. There are even brands of milk that will be organic as well, and same thing, the cows are allowed to roam free and not be in tight stalls all the time forced to produce milk In the one supermarket near me, you have your "regular" meats and then the organic ones. I once wrote to PETA asking them about Perdue chicken brand, which is a biggie chicken raising company that sells here in the Northeast area of the US...on their website (perdue) they claim that they have "humane" treatment of their chickens...but PETA in effect said bull to that--that they are just as guilty and "inhumane" as any of the other mass farm produced animals for food. It has to say organic and Perdue chickens don't have that. As for seafood...I'm not on familiar territory about this to admit how and what the practices are like. Of course I do know that if one gets something like lobster or crabs they usually are sold live, and one cooks them up live by plunging them in the boiling water...ekkk! I do know for instance though all the hoopla that went on about tuna, which is why canned tuna will often say "dolphin safe" as when fishermen used to fish for tuna often trapped and killed dolphins, but not for consumption--they just killed them. But as to whether the claims of dolphin safe is really true??? Who is to really know?
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@bbsr13 (4199)
• India
21 Dec 07
Hello,LittleMel! you are right,animals slaughtered if you see in your eyes it will change your lifestyle,no doubt.you have only seen the video picture and felt pity for the poor animals.likewise fish catching.fish out of water...what would be their lives.the animals have also a sense organ.at the time of slaughter they might be having fear,anger,and hatredness and these feelings still remains in the meat that you eat. so although you get pleasure of eating meat you are supposed to be pray of their curse,as the religious scriptures say.it is better to manage ourselves by vegetables than to go with all non veg items.all the nutrient values of meat are available in the vegetables and fruits milk and milk products.scientists have proved that the vegetarians live healthy life than the non vegetarians.so nature has given us varieties of vegetables and fruits,let us eat and be happy,spare the poor animals.thank you.all the best.
@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
22 Dec 07
you said it best: spare the poor animals. I can't make everyone avoid meat since this may effect their health or they won't like being told to do it. But I can make that decision for my self. I will drink milk for a while until I can switch to soybean milk. It will take some time but I'll keep working on it.
@polachicago (19143)
• United States
21 Dec 07
LittleMel, I can not watch this video. I have my peace of mind by not eating meat, because I don't want to support meat industry. You can give up meat first and stay on some seafood diet for while. It is easier. Slowly reduce seafood. You are going to be fine. I am supporting you decision in 100%, you are hero for all animals. They sense your energy field. I have one friend who lives away form the city and she is surrounded by forest. She was shocked seeing me feeding deer family. She said, that they never come close to her when she place food into the feeder. They stay so close from me just eating what I gave them like old friends. I wish more people make smart choice like yours...:)
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@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
22 Dec 07
How long have you become vegan? Yes my husband insists I have to eat at least seafood. He knows not eating meat at all won't be a problem for me, because so far I only eat meat 3 times a week or even lesser but I eat a lot of shrimp or salmon if I can get it at a bargain. Now I know how they cook lobster I'll skip eating that.
@polachicago (19143)
• United States
22 Dec 07
I am not vegan. I eat cheese and eggs. Not much but some....organic only. When you stop eating meat, you are not missing any....in matter of fact...just meat smell make me feel sick...
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@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
22 Dec 07
OK. I know I can't skip milk at least for a while. but once I'm ready I will definitely go with soy milk
@twoey68 (13662)
• United States
30 Dec 07
I'm sorry I couldn't watch it. I'd have nightmares and be upset for days if I even tried. I know animals are killed for meat I do wish they'd do it painlessly. Like a needle so they just go to sleep. It does make me want to quit eating meat all together but it is so hard to do and I wonder if it'd make any difference anyways. HAPPY NEW YEAR!! **AT PEACE WITHIN** ~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
30 Dec 07
it will make difference for me. I don't expect the whole world do it just because I do. I just want to do it, for myself.
@twoey68 (13662)
• United States
31 Dec 07
I do see your point...I guess I was looking at it from the side of the animals as opposed to the personal side. I do find that when I don't eat meat for a few weeks that I get really bad stomach cramps and upset stomach when I eat any type of meat again. I'm not sure why maybe b/c my body isn't used to it after a week or so. HAPPY NEW YEAR!! **AT PEACE WITHIN** ~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
1 Jan 08
it is hard to do for some people. It's not hard for me not eating meat since I didn't grow up eating it as major part of my diet. but not eating seafood is going to be a great challenge for me, hopefully I'll be able to get over it in 2008
• India
21 Dec 07
Thanks friend, for becoming a pure vegeterian. It is my philosphy to Help ever and Hurt never. And since birth i am a pure vegeterian, and it is against the practice of my religion to take non-veg foods. I feel that it is the indweller the God, which is in us, is also present in those animals, How can i think of inflicting harm to another life, when the same indweller is present in them? Also, i believe no one in this earth has right to take to the life of another, inclusive of animals, which is god given? If we cant help others, atleast we must not disturb them is my philosophy. Take care friend:)
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@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
22 Dec 07
another vegetarian since birth, thanks for sharing! I don't know what your religion is, but your post makes me even more determined. And you are not the only vegan since birth on mylot, a few of them have responded to similar topics. I'm so glad I posted this, at least I get to know that this is possible I just have to work hard on it
• India
22 Dec 07
Thanks Comrade for, BR. I never expected it. Take care friend:)
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@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
23 Dec 07
your welcome
@devilsangel (1821)
• United States
22 Dec 07
Little Mel, Although the slaughter houses in that video were cruel not all treat animals like that. I'm not going to stop eatting meat based off of one video. I grew up around farms and ranches and have seen first hand how many of the animals are kept and treated before slaughter so I know not every place is like that. There's cattle farms not to far from my kids grandparents place. I don't agree with being cruel to animals even if they are being breed for food. So thats why when shopping for meats and things I make sure to find out about the places it is comming from.
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@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
22 Dec 07
if you browse online, you will find more videos about this. and not only farms, but also animals in the wild. sign up for animal protection newsletters, you will know more. as I mentioned above, not eating meat is not a big deal for me. I grew up eating mostly seafood and vegetables, only because seafood is more expensive here, that I have to get used to eating more meat. There are of course organic products in grocery stores and my decision does not mean I ignore their efforts to say no to animal cruelty. I am never a meat eater by nature, I am simply trying to be myself, an animal lover.
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@Adoniah (7523)
• United States
22 Dec 07
If you find that you cannot stay a vegetarian, then try buying kosher meat. At least then you know that the animal was raised kindly and killed in the least painful way possible. That is part of what kosher is. Also, do not eat shellfish. Fish that have fins and scales are not cooked alive! Only shellfish are because if they are not the bacteria inside of them starts to multiply very fast and it would make you very sick if they did not cook it that way.
@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
22 Dec 07
I love shrimp and lobster but now I know they are cooked alive so I will have to skip that one. I don't eat shellfish either, now that I know this I'm just glad I don't. I heard about Kosher but I don't know it's more than just different brand. thanks for the info!
@wisedragon (2331)
• Philippines
21 Dec 07
I agree with you it is wrong to torture animals like that. I'm wondering how come there are strict laws when it comes to taking care of dogs but none for pigs, cows or chicken, when they are all animals just the same? I don't think I can become a pure vegetarian. My stomach would constantly complain. Hehe. And as a medical professional I know that a pure vegetable diet would be lacking in nutrition. I think a better solution is to pass laws making such torture illegal. Unfortunately, politicians don't have the balls to go up against billion-dollar businesses that profit from the "torture" industry.
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@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
22 Dec 07
I understand completely that this is not for everybody. Our teeth are designed to eat both meat and vegetables, we are omnivores. So really eating meat only comes to nature for us, but on the other hand I don't agree with torturing animals before they are killed. In some countries I heard they do this to dogs to make the meat tender. There is another way to tenderize meat, they can do that after butchering or when the meat is cooked, not necessarily beating the dog up when it's still alive and breathing. Politicians? I don't actually know what is it they do every day
@irishidid (8152)
• United States
21 Dec 07
I'm a meat eater and my vet tech daughter is also a meat eater. We don't eat veal and buy free range chicken products when possible. I don't think watching a video will change that. Might disgust me a bit, but I'd still take a rare steak afterwards.
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@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
22 Dec 07
did you watch it though? I heard about how veal is made, it includes abuse on baby cows or maybe adult cows when they are still alive. Something about dehydration I don't remember the right term. You don't support torture to living beings, that's a good thing.
• United States
21 Dec 07
I wont watch the video; because I have a weak stomach and equally weak heart when it comes to seeing suffering..whether it be for another human being or an animal. I dont think all people that prepare animals for food mistreat them..Even in the bible days ..example being esau and jacob..animals were hunted. Mistreating animals should never be. I do know for a fact..having had to pluck a chicken..that you cannot take their skin off too easily without first dousing them in a bath of boiling water..Usually this is done once the chicken is beheaded. I don't usually eat too much meat in my diet..but know that sometimes the extra iron is needed..There are plenty of substitutes out there; especially with tofu becoming more popular..for those who want to avoid the meat ..:) People are just as cruel to one another as they are to animals..And they do this while they are still breathing;)
@LittleMel (14059)
• Canada
22 Dec 07
you are right. it's like a common thing to do, first abuse human and then abuse animals or maybe it started the same time. yes I'm sure not every farmers do this. I just decided for my self to stop consuming meat since I wouldn't know if they are tortured or not before served to me.