Should the one who makes the supreme sacrifice not be based on race?

@suspenseful (40193)
Canada
January 4, 2008 7:30pm CST
I have watched a few shows, and well we got the Heroes Dvd and it was all right at the end, except the Japanese hero did not die, the African American hero did not die, his wife got better, but the two Petrelli brothers died and the Cop hero might not live either. And then I figured this was a pattern. I remember watching a movie where Bruce Willis was an astronaut who died trying to save the Earth, and then those movies where the good boy got killed. Back to Heroes. Nathan Petrelli had two sons, and his brother none, the African American hero had one son, and he was so badly injured that he would have died except. I do feel that if there is going to be a supreme sacrifice, it should not be based on race, should it? Why do I get the feeling in shows that have someone sacrificing himself it is always the white person as if he is expected to? But those of other ethnic groups remain alive because they are more noble? Is not this racism just as bad as the one where white guys called the black guy the n-- word and put him in jail for a crime he did not commit?
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
6 Jan 08
went to read some of what others thought and I didnt find it in your profile so I couldnt read now I will see if I can after I summit this lol. as I havent seen the show I can only guess at what you are saying. and not sure if this would be that wrong for the black guy to live but then hwy cant they all live in the end . surpose to be heros right and to me heros dont die. and I think the Bruce Willis one was call amaggaden wasnt it?
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
7 Jan 08
thats one I just cant answer. I will have to watch more and pay attention more to this fact. and see for myself. and I just watch the movies I have never realy took them apart and anolized them .
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
26 Jan 08
I always wanted movies to be fair, and sometines when an ethnic group has been put upon, you expect sympathy, but my opinion you do not reverse a wrong by making the former top dogs, bad guys. So if two hundred years ago, the blacks were enslaved, you do not decide now "we are going to make the descendants of the plantation owners horrible villains" Years ago, we did not do that, but now there is this revenge policy. So in my view, you want someone to make the supreme sacrifice, he should be of any ethnic group and not just making up for the guilt of his ancestors. After all, I am part German, part English maybe there should be films of the descendants of those horrible Vikings who ravaged our nations making the supreme sacrifice for us. Makes just as much sense.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
27 Jan 08
well there has been plenty of movies made about the whiteman killing Indians but they havent really made the white man the bad one here they made the Indians the bad ones and they never scalped any one the white men did that! and got paid for it!
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@Modestah (11179)
• United States
9 Mar 08
hmmm I would think that the one sacrificing himself to save whom ever else is the more noble one. maybe those of other ethnicities will chime in and say that they are being discriminated against because the characters that represent their racial background did not die. Though it is a keen observation that you make and maybe the reason they are killed is because they are Caucasians, I guess one would need to right the writers and producers to find out - that is IF they realize they have done this and are willing to admit it.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
9 Mar 08
I think they are being stereotyped, like if you have blond or light brown hair and blue, gray, or green eyes, you are a potential Nazi. I do not see blacks because they are dark skinned, as being potential Idi Amins. If the writers can get over that idea, that not all whites will turn out to be vicious murderers, and not all blacks were descended from misrably created slaves, then they will come to their senses. Besides it gives the wrong idea - we all should be willing to sacrifice something, and it should be based that we are all of the human race, not because an ancestor or an ancestor of someone of our Caucasian ancestors was a horrible person. Why there is a photo of a relative of mine who resembles this evil Viking who before he became a Christian, slaughtered hundreds of people. And I am sure there is this horrible Angle who massacred Britons back in the fourth century. Does it mean that because of these two bad people in my ancestry that anyone who has that ancestry in them should be willing to sacrifice themselves while someone who was descended from an African chief who slaughtered those of his tribe who did not bow to him should be exempt?
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
10 Mar 08
thank you, suspenseful, for the rating. that was very kind of you. I do agree with much that you have said.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
9 Jun 08
Your welcome. It amazes me that many shows still bow to the precept that they have to make up for what was done wrong to certain ethnic groups in the past by, well for example, letting them be in an explosion and walk away when the other man of the majority race gets killed and they were often besides them and yet there is no mention in the script of "you have extra ordinary powers. When you were a baby, you were dipped in this special portion," etc.
@Asylum (47893)
• Manchester, England
9 Mar 08
I suspect that are reading too much into the choice of people to die, and that the choice could well be a random selection. If there are a cross section of cultures and nationalities involved then it is almost impossible to choose one or more without someone managing to interpret some ulterior motive behind the choice. I do not believe that it is important which person is chosen to die, and it is certainly not the type of thing that I would ake a point of looking for.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
9 Mar 08
It used to be in the old movies, that it did not matter. But in the last ten years or so, the movie and tv writers want to make up for the former evils. So if Nazis killed Jews in a concentration camp back in World War 11 and previous, then the villains have to have blue, green, and gray eyes, and blond hair because that was the Nazi ideal. The Southern whites enslaved Negroes from the 17th to the mid 19th century, so bad guys say you-all and are rednecks, Negroes were hung and beaten up, so in order to show how unjust society or the evil white men, you have to show that the person being frauded, wrongly accused is of that race, unless it is a satire. So rather than show the injustice as an injustice, or a sacrifice that all should endeavor to, they make it a racial thing.
• United States
28 Jan 08
I watched Heroes, and during the last episode, the issue of race didn't even occur to me. I feel like you are making a stretch to make this a racial issue. While I can't disprove the trend, of the self-sacrificing white character, I think the reason for this trend is not related to 'racial guilt'. In a movie or show, you want the lead character to be someone the audience identifies with. So, the majority of viewers are white, you cast white actors. Then, when you need someone to die to save others, you want it to be your lead actor to make it more emotional for the viewer. And anyway, the Heroes series isn't over, keep watching.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
31 Jan 08
I was reading an article a while ago about Hollywood still having this racial guilt, and that while others had forgotten it, they were still at it, so we have to wait until they get over it.