Why Does God Allow Man's Inhumanity?

@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
August 14, 2008 4:51pm CST
Have you ever asked that question? Or have you ever had that question asked of you? It's a common question, usually asked for 1 of 2 reasons. It is used by atheists or agnostics as a way of challenging the existance of God. It is asked by people who truly wonder how a loving God can led tragedy happen, knowing he could prevent it. My answer is, why do you want him to? If you would have God take someone else's freedom of choice, would you also be willing for him to take yours from you? "Oh, but my sins aren't as bad as murder, rape or war!" This is the response I often get. So, in the eyes of the asker, it should be "ok" to sin, as long as its a sin the asker would do, but those other sins... they are really bad! The whole concept of trying to force our own standards on others isn't a rare thing. Many of our laws are based on it. "There outta be a law!" is the demand made when we are frustrated with the actions of others. Especially when those actions interfere with our plans. People make decisions every day that could take a life or harm someone. They don't even give it a second thought. How many of you Jay Walk, but would never speed? Do you know that jaywalking causes more accidents in the US than speeding? Ok ParaTed2k, but those are accidents, surely you don't equate accidental death with cold blooded murder do you? Nope, I don't, I see a huge difference between planning to kill someone and carrying it out and making a decision that ends up taking a life. Niether are accidents though. They are both decisions that take a life, but one is with the intent to kill, the other is out of ignorance and apathy. But it goes to my point. If you would want God to deny the murderer of his freedom to choose, would you be willing to be forced to give up every choice you make that could take a life? Not just in cars, but in all facets of life? Think about it, we all sin. We all act against the will of God (which is what sin is). Not all of us do it out of malice or bad intent, but we still do them. Even sins as seemingly small as lies and petty theft often end up hurting someone else. If we are willing to do things that cause pain to someone else, why do we demand that God stop others from causing pain? We want God to end sin, but not our own sins. We want others to pay for their crimes, but we don't want to pay for our own. We demand justice for others, but mercy for ourselves. Maybe, if God was going to start forcing us to stop sinning, our own selfish demands should be the first on the list.
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@magojordan (3252)
• Philippines
15 Aug 08
Simply because God loves us that's why he gave us freedom to choose to do what is good. God has given us freedom so that we will realize and hopefully choose which is good but sad to say we really don't understand what is good and most of the time we are enticed by temptation to do what is bad. Also if we only choose what is good all the time maybe we won't realize that is good because we have no bad to compare with it.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Aug 08
See, but that kind of answer begs the question, "war exists because God loves us?"
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Aug 08
Well, I laughed, so... ;~D
@devylan (695)
• United States
15 Aug 08
No, Para, God loves to be entertained by us. I'm just kidding. I know that's totally offensive to most everyone in this thread, so I recognize my offense and apologize for it. But, at the same time, I feel like I must be in the company of good Christian people, who will turn the cheek to my off the wall humor. Hopefully, my reasoning won't backfire. Ah, well, it will be a lesson learned I suppose. Lol.
@jerzgirl (9234)
• United States
14 Aug 08
I stand before you in awe! This is SO SO SO what I try to get through my friend's head. Every time something horrible happens, particularly if it's a child as the victim, he says, "I see God got bored today." I just want to scream!! I cannot get through his head that GOD didn't cause this to happen. The corruption and evil in the world of free will did. Then he goes off on, "anyone who will allow evil to happen when they have the ability to prevent it is evil themselves." I just don't know how to get past him on that one. I love him dearly, but he frustrates the bejeebers out of me when he gets on one of these diatribes! But, you have said it so well!!! And, frustrated or not about my friend's perspective, it doesn't change that I feel exactly the same way!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Aug 08
It sounds to me like your friend has found a way to release some of the tension felt when bad things happen. Blaming someone is a common human trait. If not God, he would find someone else.
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@jerzgirl (9234)
• United States
15 Aug 08
I totally agree. He blames others for problems caused by his acts of carelessness or irresponsibility on a regular basis because to accept blame would mean he'd have to face himself. Oh, I know. We hash it out all the time.
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@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
14 Aug 08
good post Ted, in my opinion God is something beyond our human understanding and from what I do know he is very long suffering with humanity. The same could be asked of any parent when they know their kids are going to make a mistake. Without mistakes we never grow. More often than not tragic things happen because people make bad choices either the person who does it or someone else but people often want to put the fault on someone else.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Aug 08
True, we can't fathom all that God is, but we are given some insight and I believe we will be held responsible for all that is given us. If Christians are to have a personal relationship with God, then we can't just shrug our shoulders and say, "We can't understand". Of course, this only applies to the God of the Abrahamic religions, but then again, that is the only God I'm talking about in this article. For the others, I don't try to explain to other people what they believe.
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
14 Aug 08
It seeems to me that you answered all of your own questions rather well. The only thing I would add it that you cannot put human attributes on something that is not human. Hashem is not human. He does not think act or react as a human, therefore, we cannot second guess His actions or reactions or reasons for anything. Shalom~Adoniah
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Aug 08
The scriptures are full of examples of God reacting with what we would understand as human attributes. That doesn't mean God is human, but it does seem to imply that He isn't without such attributes. Also, as I said to EvanHunter, if we are to have a personal relationship with God, then it is up to us to learn as much as we are able of what God made available to us. You are right though, we are not qualified to second guess His actions.
@devylan (695)
• United States
15 Aug 08
Weren't we made as representations of God? Therefore, I think maybe we can attribute some of our 'human' characteristics to be in tune with God's 'thinking', as well. Anyway, just food for thought. Oh, I do love philosophizing.
• United States
15 Aug 08
Ted, This might be a long one, but here goes... In books like the Bible, Koran, etc. a wonderful story is told. It's a story of faith and guidance. Think of how very wise it is that the "word" was there in the beginning. How; without sin, could Jesus have fit in and served his purpose? Laws? Are we mixing Gods laws and man made laws? If so, realize that those are not one and the same. Once there was a temple that Jesus turned over the tables in because man had filled it with his corrupt ways. I'm of no denomination and believe differently from most people. My faith is in my heart, mind and soul. Sin to me is to "miss the mark" and not understand the power of love. The above mentioned books talk about a garden where no sin existed for some time. It's a beautiful story but how many of us think about how Satan was once an Angel too? Todays world is filled with "New Testament" believers that think that Jesus came along and changed Gods laws and made "some sins" become right! Well, Jesus came to fulfill Gods laws and took on the essence of man in order to show us truths. Not to change what God said was right! It's easy for us to see the wrongs that others do and not see them in ourselves. Hard hearts have made people think that they have the right to judge their fellow man. So, it's not up to me to say that anyone of any lifestyle is wrong. I'll leave that up to the Big Man. Accidents happen and our Higher Power knows the time for everything. Pure hearts are filled with truth, love and honesty. Faith keeps the heart pure.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Aug 08
Understanding the Power of Love is only part of if, if we don't accept Christ's atonement then not even God's love will save us. I agree with you, Christ came to fulfill the old law, but not by taking anything from it, but by adding to it. Instead of line by line, concept by concept laws detailing each facet of loving God with all our heart, mind and strength; and what it means to love our neighbors as ourselves; He simply said those two lines and put us under commandment to do it.
@devylan (695)
• United States
15 Aug 08
I thought God (or whatever/whoever you want to believe in) put us here to learn anyway, so if He stopped us from being able to make a choice between what would, in the simplest of terms, be considered right and wrong, then how would we ever learn from our past? If everything was all hunky-dorry (I have no idea if I spelled that slang term correctly, by the way), all the time, then what would be the point of our existance? I believe God gave us a brain and the ability to use that brain for a reason. Anyway, I know I'm answering your questions with more of my own, but the bottom line is, I completely agree with you, so obviously none of these questions are geared toward you, and really, I'm using them simply to reitterate your point. I hope you don't mind Oh, but just for kicks, God allows Man's inhumanity in order to teach us, so that we may grow/evolve into better beings, and if we don't grow, then we will meet our demise in one way or the other; whether you believe in Hell or otherwise, your life will not be as pleasant, let's say, in the long run, as the lives of those who do learn and grow and... survive. It really all comes down to survival of the fittest in a way, does it not? Now, before I get a bunch of people bashing me for comparing evolution with God' creation, I would like to state that my eighth grade science teacher, who was admittedly a Christian woman, told my class once, "The Bible and evolution go hand in hand," and that sentiment has stuck with me ever since.
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@ali136 (199)
• United States
15 Aug 08
That's an interesting discussion. Yes, I have been asked the question and have even asked it myself. After reading the Bible and becoming somewhat acquainted with the characteristics of God, I know that He just wants us to Love Him above all else of our own free will. I don't think we will understand most things that happen to us until we die. It's hard to comprehend why there is murder, disease, and untimely deaths. But, I believe it's of our own doing. Adam and Eve sinned when they disobeyed God. If we were them, we would have all eventually done the same thing, so we are all to blame. When they sinned, their punishment was work and having to deal with the trials and struggles of the life we know now. I still don't understand why some people seem to go through life without any tragedies and/or traumas, and others do. Only God knows. The Bible says that He works all things together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose. Notice, if we don't love Him (which means we follow Him and do our best to obey Him) He doesn't need to work it together for good. If we choose a path away from Him, we are outside of His protection and guidance because we have free will. He didn't want robots. He wanted a relationship with people who would CHOOSE to love Him.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Aug 08
Clarus, He didn't say, "do as I say or be punished"... at least not the "He" as referred to in the Old and New Testaments. God said that sin is acting against God, and commanded us not too (which on the surface would tent to support your claim). However, Jesus came to Earth, lived a sinless life and took the punishment for all mankind's sins upon himself. If a person accepts that atonement then the price of the sin is removed from them, if they reject that atonement, then justice much be satisfied. Balance can't be wished away just because we don't only want balance when it is convenient for us. God is perfect, heaven is a perfect place. There cannot be prefection without balance. There cannot be balance if mercy robs justice or if justice robs mercy.
@devylan (695)
• United States
15 Aug 08
Clarus, I think we're all being a little too literal in this discussion. Everyone in this thread needs to think in broader terms. Right and wrong is all relative to what you choose anyway, because we do have free will, whether you believe it was given to you by God or we just evolved to have more complex brains.